[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

IMHO. Horner s@cks too , he should think twice before to sign the KitKat man again..
Horner was blinded by the Mexican $Millions...

As Artemis has said : The KitKat man has the Red Bull Team in a 'Judo hold'...

#TheKitKatHold (!)

Honestly my friend Horner and co at RBR should relax and have Checo in just for '25 then it won't feel like an arm being amputated and the w/tunnel time would be ++ for '26 when the Frankenstein cars will show their ugly mugs...and keeps MAX content with his growing investments so everythings cool like with Oddball here
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ke...Nnvzn9bOw,st:0

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by G30M

skysport pundit tries to prove no british media bias

This is a stunt by sky to deflect the brit bias from MAX. In my book I agree in these days nearly anything goes within reason but this haircut twirp has just made a fool of himself and sky.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Honestly my friend Horner and co at RBR should relax and have Checo in just for '25 then it won't feel like an arm being amputated and the w/tunnel time would be ++ for '26 when the Frankenstein cars will show their ugly mugs...and keeps MAX content with his growing investments so everythings cool like with Oddball here

Checo has the bargaining power to say: "A deal is a deal. Keep me on board and I'll save you a very expensive, messy divorce and reputational damage for the Red Bull brand in Latin and South America".

All's gonna be happy faces but with gnashing teeth.

Wouldn't be surprised if some hypothetical marketing promo memo could state stuff like "he is very experienced", "he knows the RBR team inside out", "he gives valuable feedback to the team", "he has a good relationship with his team mate Max", "he will get additional assistance to ensure bringing his A game again in 2025", yadda-yadda. The memo won't say: "at the end of the day, we caved by necessity."

[wizardofOz]

Conflicts everyday... ...sigh

[3798j]

"Red Bull have received more than £100m from Telmex since Sergio Perez joined in 2021."
"Since the early days of his racing career, Perez has been backed by Mexican telecommunications ‘titan’ Telmex. When Red Bull signed him at the end of 2020, they reaped the benefits of this relationship."
"According to a report from Brazilian outlet Grande Premio, Telmex have pumped $130m into the team since his arrival. That’s the equivalent of about £103m."

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the...nce-he-joined/

[tsk94]

Originally Posted by dfox

Giving him a hard time, asking about his performance, etc, is different than straight up making up lies about him to get clicks on their website.

Welcome to being a professional athlete in the spotlight.
Not saying it's right, but it unfortunately comes with the job.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Checo has the bargaining power to say: "A deal is a deal. Keep me on board and I'll save you a very expensive, messy divorce and reputational damage for the Red Bull brand in Latin and South America".

All's gonna be happy faces but with gnashing teeth.

Wouldn't be surprised if some hypothetical marketing promo memo could state stuff like "he is very experienced", "he knows the RBR team inside out", "he gives valuable feedback to the team", "he has a good relationship with his team mate Max", "he will get additional assistance to ensure bringing his A game again in 2025", yadda-yadda. The memo won't say: "at the end of the day, we caved by necessity."

MAX has a car colection to make Bernie think again about his own collection, which he has second thoughts now about selling, he keeps them in his Monaco penthouse.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

MAX has a car colection to make Bernie think again about his own collection, which he has second thoughts now about selling, he keeps them in his Monaco penthouse.

Max Verstappen vs Jos Verstappen | Red Bull 2024 vs Simtek 1995 at Monza

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Wouldn't be surprised if some hypothetical marketing promo memo could state stuff like "he is very experienced", "he knows the RBR team inside out", "he gives valuable feedback to the team", "he has a good relationship with his team mate Max", "he will get additional assistance to ensure bringing his A game again in 2025", yadda-yadda. The memo won't say: "at the end of the day, we caved by necessity."

Nor are they going to admit that this is the worst car they have developed since Checo joined the team.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by 3798j

"Red Bull have received more than £100m from Telmex since Sergio Perez joined in 2021."
"Since the early days of his racing career, Perez has been backed by Mexican telecommunications ‘titan’ Telmex. When Red Bull signed him at the end of 2020, they reaped the benefits of this relationship."
"According to a report from Brazilian outlet Grande Premio, Telmex have pumped $130m into the team since his arrival. That’s the equivalent of about £103m."

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the...nce-he-joined/

that's a lot of catering!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Max Verstappen vs Jos Verstappen | Red Bull 2024 vs Simtek 1995 at Monza

Way too big, way too heavy. We need to go back, those 3L Cossie V8's and the smaller cars are the bees knees. Imagine that the 'back of a bus' Frankenstein car will be well back in a new comparison, so are the FIA on another trip with their wacky baccy roll ups .

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Checo has the bargaining power to say: "A deal is a deal. Keep me on board and I'll save you a very expensive, messy divorce and reputational damage for the Red Bull brand in Latin and South America".

All's gonna be happy faces but with gnashing teeth.

I have no pity/compassion for RB in this case.
I mean, when they extended Checo's contract 1,5 years ago (monaco '23 I believe) with 2 more years, I think everyone here was like: why?!?
He already was an underperformer back then for multiple years, so if they signed him back then for the money...they deserve to pay big money if they now want to get rid of him.
It was a stupid decision back then, so at some point that has to come back and haunt them. That time is now.

Personally I think they should've ditched Checo after the '22 season or at least look for a decent replacement to be ready after his ending contract in '23.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I have no pity/compassion for RB in this case.
I mean, when they extended Checo's contract 1,5 years ago (monaco '23 I believe) with 2 more years, I think everyone here was like: why?!?
He already was an underperformer back then for multiple years, so if they signed him back then for the money...they deserve to pay big money if they now want to get rid of him.
It was a stupid decision back then, so at some point that has to come back and haunt them. That time is now.

Personally I think they should've ditched Checo after the '22 season or at least look for a decent replacement to be ready after his ending contract in '23.

He should have walked away in 22...Now he will be remembered with the likes of MazaSpin, Latifi and Stroll...Have some pride dude!!!

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

He should have walked away in 22...Now he will be remembered with the likes of MazaSpin, Latifi and Stroll...Have some pride dude!!!

100%

Checo came to RB in '21 as a seasoned veteran of the sport to provide a stable factor next to supertalent (but still young) Max.
And in '21 he did forfill that role, and in '22 also to a certain extent. But race after race qualifying performance went down, and crashes became more frequent. It's just a steady downwards spiral, and his last contract was signed because of his sponsors, not because of his performance. Exactly like the drivers you mention.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

100%

Checo came to RB in '21 as a seasoned veteran of the sport to provide a stable factor next to supertalent (but still young) Max.
And in '21 he did forfill that role, and in '22 also to a certain extent. But race after race qualifying performance went down, and crashes became more frequent. It's just a steady downwards spiral, and his last contract was signed because of his sponsors, not because of his performance. Exactly like the drivers you mention.

Yep, he has turned into Trust Fund Kid living off daddy's money.

[RichardInCA]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Way too big, way too heavy. We need to go back, those 3L Cossie V8's and the smaller cars are the bees knees. Imagine that the 'back of a bus' Frankenstein car will be well back in a new comparison, so are the FIA on another trip with their wacky baccy roll ups .

Not really clear what we’re even looking at here….some AI simulation based upon…? Honestly Max is so much better than his Dad it’s not even close. Is this simulation based upon some sort of telemetry - race or qualifying etc?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by RichardInCA

Not really clear what we’re even looking at here….some AI simulation based upon…? Honestly Max is so much better than his Dad it’s not even close. Is this simulation based upon some sort of telemetry - race or qualifying etc?

Not sure but with the smaller lighter car it's always likely that it would be something like this but even a slight nudge from the bigger car, as there are now, would send the Simtek into the grass.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by RichardInCA

Not really clear what we’re even looking at here….some AI simulation based upon…? Honestly Max is so much better than his Dad it’s not even close. Is this simulation based upon some sort of telemetry - race or qualifying etc?

It is obviously a videogame. Probably Assetto Corsa.

Assetto Corsa

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 3798j

"Red Bull have received more than £100m from Telmex since Sergio Perez joined in 2021."
"Since the early days of his racing career, Perez has been backed by Mexican telecommunications ‘titan’ Telmex. When Red Bull signed him at the end of 2020, they reaped the benefits of this relationship."
"According to a report from Brazilian outlet Grande Premio, Telmex have pumped $130m into the team since his arrival. That’s the equivalent of about £103m."
https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the...nce-he-joined/

2011: billionaire Carlos Slim and his Telmex company were instrumental to get Perez a seat in F1. We're talking here about the richest person of Latin America (even in the world in the years 2010 to 2013):
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim

Slim's son recently said that he didn't understand all the fuss about Perez being 'replaced'. He basically said that, as Perez has a contract, he will be driving for Red Bull in 2025. End of story.



Perez and Slim to Horner: "About time to put on your big boy pants, Christian. Let us show you an arm wrestling trick"...

[dfox]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

100%

Checo came to RB in '21 as a seasoned veteran of the sport to provide a stable factor next to supertalent (but still young) Max.
And in '21 he did forfill that role, and in '22 also to a certain extent. But race after race qualifying performance went down, and crashes became more frequent. It's just a steady downwards spiral, and his last contract was signed because of his sponsors, not because of his performance. Exactly like the drivers you mention.

2020 - 3rd
2021 - 4th
2022 - 3rd
2023 - 2nd

Sure, his mid-season performance in 2023 was mediocre, he still finished 2nd in the drivers championship. Why should he have left in 2022?

Originally Posted by tsk94

Welcome to being a professional athlete in the spotlight.
Not saying it's right, but it unfortunately comes with the job.

Outright lying and saying "rumors" or "sources say", is terrible journalism and has put a spotlight on him that was less than deserved. The car that RB gave him and Max sucked. Everyone here admits it. Hamilton finished low in the standings, as did Alonso. But nobody's talking about them.

Yall are just hyped on this because the media keeps posting (lies) about it. You're sucked into it. Take a step back...

[M5Rick]

This whole Checo thing is getting more precious than it's really worth.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dfox

2020 - 3rd
2021 - 4th
2022 - 3rd
2023 - 2nd

Sure, his mid-season performance in 2023 was mediocre, he still finished 2nd in the drivers championship. Why should he have left in 2022?




Outright lying and saying "rumors" or "sources say", is terrible journalism and has put a spotlight on him that was less than deserved. The car that RB gave him and Max sucked. Everyone here admits it. Hamilton finished low in the standings, as did Alonso. But nobody's talking about them.

Yall are just hyped on this because the media keeps posting (lies) about it. You're sucked into it. Take a step back...

Yeah mate, nobody talks about it . The Mexican KitKat man won the 2024 F1 “Destructors’ Championship”