[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by 8k3

Yes I'd rather pick up a used E92 M3 with 40k on the clock for 35k, enjoy as is or supercharge if I really want to 550hp; saving my thousands for many vacations. Oh btw enjoy paying the dealer to rob you with markups on your Mustang.

You would have a $35k bearing failure waiting to happen. F*ck that. I had two E9x M3's, but only with a warranty.

Originally Posted by ChicagoM4

100+ HP and wider tires but 0-60 is same as 6mt m4??

And yet a 6mt M4 would get annihilated around a track.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ChicagoM4

100+ HP and wider tires but 0-60 is same as 6mt m4??

Well 0-60 is most likely about torque, weight, gear ratio (of first and/or second gear), FD ratio and ofcourse traction; however power will define the winner in rolling and higher speed.
As far as I know the actual torque of underrated S55 on M4 is close to 420 lb-ft (almost the same as this car) and the actual power of S55 is ~460 HP while GT350 is ~200 lb heavier.... No idea about weight distribution but with that big engine, probably this car is front weight bias that hurts the traction too...
Overall, having the same 0-60 as M4 MT is not unpredictable...

[1MOREMOD]

New generation of track cars 350r, z28, gt4, gt3 are fast as shit. Tard newbs will be fast at track days

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by 8k3

Perhaps you know nothing about the E9x M3, seems so.



Touched in the head? Lol, excellent vocabulary!

The S65 as you pointed out was designed and released nearly 10 years ago as was the E92. That vehicle weighs 3600lbs, has adaptive suspension, modern looks, and revs to 8400rpm. Ford TEN years later, comes out with a fantastic car that does the same thing but weighs about 200lbs more.

Yes I'd rather pick up a used E92 M3 with 40k on the clock for 35k, enjoy as is or supercharge if I really want to 550hp; saving my thousands for many vacations. Oh btw enjoy paying the dealer to rob you with markups on your Mustang.

This is ford , not BMW. BMW should be ahead of ford look at who they are.

It still deserves credit. In a world where most manufactures are downsizing and adding turbos to meet emissions. Ford is making a high revving flat plane V8. Something BMW could only dream up in the year 2015.

I also have a theory about cars. when talking about buying a car, if adding a aftermarket supercharger is one of the selling points. then the car is outdated or underpowered.

Ya the E92 M3 was a great car for 10 years ago, but this thing is way faster.Comes with a warranty also.

[8k3]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

You would have a $35k bearing failure waiting to happen. F*ck that. I had two E9x M3's, but only with a warranty.


And yet a 6mt M4 would get annihilated around a track.

I have one of those bearing imploding vehicles, I'll take my chance thanks. Btw every sports car has their issues, Porsche IMS issue, catching on fire, ...., Viper has had bearing issues, Merc with the glorious M156 had camshaft issues, Audi direct injection problems, blah blah. There is no perfect motor. S65 doesn't explode, more than 57000 have been produced. Have to pay to play sometimes

[8k3]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

This is ford , not BMW. BMW should be ahead of ford look at who they are.

It still deserves credit. In a world where most manufactures are downsizing and adding turbos to meet emissions. Ford is making a high revving flat plane V8. Something BMW could only dream up in the year 2015.

I also have a theory about cars. when talking about buying a car, if adding a aftermarket supercharger is one of the selling points. then the car is outdated or underpowered.

Ya the E92 M3 was a great car for 10 years ago, but this thing is way faster.Comes with a warranty also.

No discredit to Ford, great car, albeit too heavy and way late with such "achievements." The M3 was not under powered for the time and still one of the highest output per liter motors ever made in a production vehicle

[FogCityM3]

WOW....that car sounds (and seems to feel) like so much fun! The sound is incredible and there is nothing out there like it. MT is right, the germans have wussed out and here you get American Muscle with proper handling and a beautiful, high displacement, high revving V8. What a unique combination and props to Ford for going against the grain and doing this in 2015.

Having said that, shows what a dynamite job BMW did with the E9x generation almost a decade old. FBO, would be almost just as lethal as this on the track. Still though, this GT350 would put a smile on anyone's face. Think the R is probably the better value as Randy alluded to (which would bring it close to E90 M3 weight) and I bet is considerably faster compared to the regular GT350

[Fahrvergnügen]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

You would have a $35k bearing failure waiting to happen. F*ck that. I had two E9x M3's, but only with a warranty.


And yet a 6mt M4 would get annihilated around a track.

Just stating a fact not trying to start a pissing match. Other than mere predictions about the gt350's track comparison against the M4, do you have anything valuable to add?

[David70]

Far easier to have a much smaller V-8 (that is putting out much less hp) spin to the same rpm. I guess you can say BMW did the same thing many years ago with the only thing missing being engine size, hp and torque.

"Technically the same", I guess if the criteria is the number of cylinders and the redline.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by 8k3

No discredit to Ford, great car, albeit too heavy and way late with such "achievements." The M3 was not under powered for the time and still one of the highest output per liter motors ever made in a production vehicle

I just dont understand how its to late to have a car like this.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by 8k3

No discredit to Ford, great car, albeit too heavy and way late with such "achievements." The M3 was not under powered for the time and still one of the highest output per liter motors ever made in a production vehicle

I think the fundamental difference between your beliefs and others is in the definition of "achievements".

The question to ask is, is BMW and Ford in the engine building business or car building business? Yes, the s65 was a great achievement for its time but in regards to vehicle performance, what really matters is engine weight to power. Doesn't matter the tech or displacement, this is why some of the best engines are the GM ls engines... Because they weight significantly less than any DOHC engine and produce the same power albeit with greater displacement.

Although BMW "achieved" this several years ago, the overall package of magnetic suspension (which is significantly different from adaptive) combined with the new engine and relative price (starting at $50k ) is an "achievement" for Ford because BMW and Ford are in the car building business.

Plenty of companies have been building FPC and/or high power to displacement ratio engines for a very long time. Many could say that BMW was late to the game because of the price point they were at. However, this doesn't take away from the overall package that was developed.

[gtron]

i enjoy this car.

i do however wish they made the back end different. the average person would think it's just a rental car while driving down the street. it needs a racers butt imo. haha

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

New generation of track cars 350r, z28, gt4, gt3 are fast as shit. Tard newbs will be fast at track days

This is true! I just experienced it 2 wks ago with newbs in F80 M3, M4, gt4 ford mustang gt. Yeah they are not light and you can gain some time in technical sections but on straights they are fast!

[kprocivic]

I've been lurking this post for a while. I want to really hate the car and scrutinize the shit out of it but I just can't. Nice job Ford.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by 8k3

The M3 was not under powered for the time and still one of the highest output per liter motors ever made in a production vehicle

LOL, what. I've never heard anyone so much as whisper the words "S65" and "specific output" in the same sentence. 103 hp/liter is nothing special for a car that revs to > 8k rpm. It's not even close to being in the top 10. Hell there are about 10 naturally aspirated Hondas out there that have a higher output per liter.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by fcman

LOL, what. I've never heard anyone so much as whisper the words "S65" and "specific output" in the same sentence. 103 hp/liter is nothing special for a car that revs to > 8k rpm. It's not even close to being in the top 10. Hell there are about 10 naturally aspirated Hondas out there that have a higher output per liter.

No kidding, plus just about every Porsche and Ferrari, a few Aston Martins, and even the S54 and the Euro S50B32.

Oops, not the S50b32, which just barely cracked 100hp/l.

[zeevette]

Don't understand why people are so obsessed with 8k> rpm. On a racetrack, sure, but I'll take a wide powerband for a street car. BTW, you can get a new C7 that'll better a GT350 in any performance category, including fuel mileage, for less money. For me, engineering excellence is making more out of less.

[David70]

Originally Posted by zeevette

Don't understand why people are so obsessed with 8k> rpm. On a racetrack, sure, but I'll take a wide powerband for a street car. BTW, you can get a new C7 that'll better a GT350 in any performance category, including fuel mileage, for less money. For me, engineering excellence is making more out of less.

I believe the C7 starts at $56k and this is without the "Performance Package" which I am guessing every review by every car magazine has had. This package pushes the starting price to $61k. If you can get the GT350 for close to MSRP (maybe someday) I think the performance to price will be pretty close (I'm not racing for money so I would buy the one I prefer). If you could get both for MSRP it is impossible to get any Corvette for the same price and then I don't find a base Corvette very interesting as I see them everywhere.

As for the 8k rpm question, I have a car with an 8k rpm and enjoy the sound and experience of the engine running this fast. If I had the option for my car to have a 6500 rpm redline but was still slightly faster overall I would pass.

[doccyber]

Great car, but too big for my taste. These Mustangs are HUGE!

[DiabloCO]

I ran across a prototype in grand junction CO, i would say it was actually smaller than my e92, deffintly lower. Im a buge mustang fan, i have a 66 gt in the garage. The thing i love about the gt350 is the overall package and price point. It not only looks the part but it envokes a rare feeling of rawness and the manly pursuits. I hope one day ill be able to afford one. And thats what also makes this car a real catch. Iis the avg joe shmoe can actually go out and buy a real race car. When i priced it out on the builder it totaled out at 55k with the options i wanted. Thats just within reach if i can find the right job.