[deemo319]

Originally Posted by DRTMGRT

What ever happened to this initiative?

A little tweak in this design and it would kill.

Mothballed until there is infrastructure to support it. Basically they developed a hydrogen 7 Series that did 1,000,000 miles and learned from it and waiting for the infrastructure to built.

Which will take some time, like lots

[scoale]

Originally Posted by firedown31

Gee I wonder why the i3 pales in comparison to the model 3...

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Can't see why.

ALL DAY LONG. That thing could be powered by a nuclear reactor and I still wouldn't buy it. FUGLY

[Pyrat 2]

X4???? Really? They are behind the game on the hybrid and EVs and they pick the X4 which isn't exactly burning up the sales charts (probably because I'm in the majority who think it's fugly)? I've been brand loyal buying only BMWs for almost 15 years but they seem to be working hard to break that loyalty.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Pyrat 2

X4???? Really? They are behind the game on the hybrid and EVs and they pick the X4 which isn't exactly burning up the sales charts (probably because I'm in the majority who think it's fugly)? I've been brand loyal buying only BMWs for almost 15 years but they seem to be working hard to break that loyalty.

G02 X4, not F26. New one will probably look a lot better.

[EdR]

Originally Posted by bunker

lad, have you actually SEEN that Tesla in person? Shaped just like a 5er GT. Ugly as sin.

The Tesla front end reminds me of

[Longboarder]

I'll look forward to buying my next bmw hybrid from the money I continue making shorting Tesla.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by deemo319

Mothballed until there is infrastructure to support it. Basically they developed a hydrogen 7 Series that did 1,000,000 miles and learned from it and waiting for the infrastructure to built.

Which will take some time, like lots

I saw a fleet of Toyota Mirai's a couple weeks ago driving around town, could be coming sooner than we think

[-c-]

It's funny teslas own marketing speaks to what it's design evolution is going to be.

Got the model "S"

The model E but because ford owned it we got the model "3" but it's naming design keeps it to look like an E

And the model "X"

With the model "Y" coming later.

Add them all together and you get "SEXY".

Not bad Musk not bad.....

I'll have my model 3 and i3 parked side by side in the garage sucking juice.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SamS

G02 X4, not F26. New one will probably look a lot better.

Agree.

Still, strange they would specifically call out the X4 and not the X3. Would be sort of like doing an electric 4GC but not a 3 sedan. Actually, come to think of it, that wouldn't be such a bad idea if the purpose is to match up against the Tesla Model 3. Perhaps that's why an X4 - more evocative of the Model X.

[C5 FOR]

Don't tell me this is about reducing overheads! Merging departments and roles, only leads to 1 thing, a less focused company due to stretched resources and ultimately reduced quality product.

Does nobody understand how it works ffs! Invest in your people! Their skills, they make the company what it is, not the arseholes who sit on the board making stupid decisions based on watered down reports from junior management thru senior "management".

And if someone says to me "BMW invest X hundred million" in their staff every year. I would say well if they can afford X why aren't they investing X + Y?

All about the bottom line and I get that, just seems to me like we are heading towards normaldome, the Ford of the late 20th century. Volume sales!!! Well done the board who pushed the button on that one!

[SamS]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Agree.

Still, strange they would specifically call out the X4 and not the X3. Would be sort of like doing an electric 4GC but not a 3 sedan. Actually, come to think of it, that wouldn't be such a bad idea if the purpose is to match up against the Tesla Model 3. Perhaps that's why an X4 - more evocative of the Model X.

G02 will obviously be positioned at a higher price point than an X3, and that higher positioning (read, $$) will be needed to compete against the eventual Tesla Model 3 SUV. The Model X is more of a X6/X7 competitor.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by firedown31

Gee I wonder why the i3 pales in comparison to the model 3...

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Can't see why.

LOL
A futuristic bold statement versus nothing. Not everyone can see it...

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SamS

G02 will obviously be positioned at a higher price point than an X3, and that higher positioning (read, $$) will be needed to compete against the eventual Tesla Model 3 SUV. The Model X is more of a X6/X7 competitor.

Sure, although the X4 is priced less than 10% more than the equivalent X3, at least today. The gap could widen next generation, but they still have to keep the price of the non-electric models competitive with the GLC coupe and whatever else comes along in this segment over the next few years.

In any case, the smaller Tesla SUV (called the Model Y as someone noted earlier) will reportedly be similar in aesthetic to the Model X, which again the X4 will more closely resemble than the X3. On that same note, I still think a future G2x 4GC could make a better foil to the Model 3 than the G20.

[deemo319]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

I saw a fleet of Toyota Mirai's a couple weeks ago driving around town, could be coming sooner than we think

Globally was my reference in lots of markets.

[VTECaddict]

Electric 3-series and MINI will be a good move. It'll be great to see more "normal" looking EVs instead of "futuristic" cars like the i3.

But why X4? Make a niche model out of an already niche model? The X3 would have much broader market appeal...

[Kiwi]

Originally Posted by Diver

Electric cars are only the tip of the emissions nightmare. Draconian measures are likely after 2025.

Electric utility rates will likely be tiered so consumption beyond certain levels will be very expensive.

Evening power outages may become routine. Consumers will be forced to invest in home battery storage devices to maintain service.

Air travel which is now expensive could become exorbitantly expensive and in limited supply.

Minimum air conditioner efficiency levels will make the equipment very expensive and unreliable. Cut out devices activated by utilities during peak hours, now optional, could become mandatory.

The US EPA has publicly said they want consumers to be able to buy the cars they want, but I think that is a lie.

What have you been smoking. If this is true then who would live in America I'll stay in New Zealand the true land of the free.

[evanevery]

BMW never built an Electric Vehicle that the mass market wanted. Quite simply, that's the problem...

They built the i8 that a very few select people wanted...

...and they built the i3 that basically no one wanted. There were far too many other more attractive, less expensive, better performing options...

(My wife and I drove a Chevy Volt since 2012 and the i3 would NOT have been an upgrade in any respect. We now drive a Model X.)

Tesla's got the Model 3 on the way and they've already got over 400,000 paid reservations... Not bad for a car not even being produced for another year or so...

Now Chevy has just introduced the new Bolt, with a 238 mile range at $37,500 (before $7,500 fed tax credit) and it goes on sale later this year...

http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-...lectric-range/

'cmon BMW! Really!

[Diver]

Originally Posted by Kiwi

What have you been smoking. If this is true then who would live in America I'll stay in New Zealand the true land of the free.

Not smoking. I believe this is where Europe and the US are headed. It could reverse course very quickly in the US if a Republican president is elected. When emission cutting starts to mess with peoples lifestyles voters just might revolt. As for NZ, I don't know enough about your country to make any predictions about electric utilities. If you have a lot of hydro, you are safer. The cars you buy are made elsewhere and if all what's available is crap, it's what you will have to buy. Long distance travel off the islands could become more expensive as international service availability and competition dry up.

[wdeerfield]

Originally Posted by evanevery

BMW never built an Electric Vehicle that the mass market wanted. Quite simply, that's the problem...

They built the i8 that a very few select people wanted...

...and they built the i3 that basically no one wanted. There were far too many other more attractive, less expensive, better performing options...

(My wife and I drove a Chevy Volt since 2012 and the i3 would NOT have been an upgrade in any respect. We now drive a Model X.)

Tesla's got the Model 3 on the way and they've already got over 400,000 paid reservations... Not bad for a car not even being produced for another year or so...

Now Chevy has just introduced the new Bolt, with a 238 mile range at $37,500 (before $7,500 fed tax credit) and it goes on sale later this year...

http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-...lectric-range/

'cmon BMW! Really!

i think you are forgetting that Tesla did the same thing with the roadster. They introduced an expensive car to a select few to prove the technology and test the market. Then they came out with the model s to show they could produce more than one and the price came down. now they are going to show the world how to mass produce with the model 3.

the i3 to me is a great city commuter car for someone that wants to go on short weekend trips and only have one car.

[evanevery]

When auto manufacturers start to produce automobiles (of any type) for the first time, they don't start with the Model T. They build on what other car manufacturers have already done. They take a look at the market to see what is already there and what they can do to compete. (Or at least they SHOULD...)

So no... BMW could have started with a better EV design. They simply produced a car (i3) which did not compete well in the market at any level...

[M3 Adjuster]

" Full steam ahead " in an electric car thread

[DCG]

Go green bitches!