[Rambler]

I love how these topics always brings out the conspiracy theory pollution deniers.

[Diver]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

My advice would be not so stand next to me in a bar. My Marlboro smoke might bother you and I won't care nor do I legally have too.

But none of that has anything to do with the guidelines. They were put there for the climate change narrative, not smog. They'll be history shortly.

You can't smoke inside in a bar in Houston so I don't have to worry about rude people who don't care how their cigarettes stink up the place and everyone's clothing.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Diver

You can't smoke inside in a bar in Houston so I don't have to worry about rude people who don't care how their cigarettes stink up the place and everyone's clothing.

Over half the people in bars in orlando smoke. No mickey for you.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Rambler

I love how these topics always brings out the conspiracy theory pollution deniers.

I love how these topics bring out the brainwashed climate changer sheep who bleat out the liberal narritive the government has been pushing for 8 years. That's gonna change finally.

[Rambler]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

I love how these topics bring out the brainwashed climate changer sheep who bleat out the liberal narritive the government has been pushing for 8 years. That's gonna change finally.

Lol, are you posting from your doomsday bunker? Hope your superfriends are keeping you company.

[Diver]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Over half the people in bars in orlando smoke. No mickey for you.

Fortunately, I am not headed there anytime soon.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

I love how these topics bring out the brainwashed climate changer sheep who bleat out the liberal narritive the government has been pushing for 8 years. That's gonna change finally.

Dammit, I'm in the government and I'm not in on any of these conspiracies. Really wish I could get in with the "cool guys" running all the crazy hush hush conspiracies...

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Dammit, I'm in the government and I'm not in on any of these conspiracies. Really wish I could get in with the "cool guys" running all the crazy hush hush conspiracies...

At a bare minimum you would have to move to a much less sane state like Oregon, California or the imperial city itself.......DC

[RM7]

Originally Posted by jpnh

At a bare minimum you would have to move to a much less sane state like Oregon, California or the imperial city itself.......DC

Been to all of those, even the headquarters in DC. Couldn't find the conspiracies

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Been to all of those, even the headquarters in DC. Couldn't find the conspiracies

They're right there in plain view.....particularly the EPA

Used to know folks that worked there....they talked about it all the time

[Diver]

Originally Posted by jpnh

They're right there in plain view.....particularly the EPA

Used to know folks that worked there....they talked about it all the time

The EPA has a new administrator who is keen on rolling back many Obama era regulations.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by Diver

The EPA has a new administrator who is keen on rolling back many Obama era regulations.

There are a lot of agitators that they're going to need to fire........

You realize that the EPA was created by executive fiat (Nixon).......an executive order could make it go away just as easily

[roastbeef]

i really like the push for fuel economy in recent years, what i don't like about it is the disappearance of certain cars (like a n/a v8 m3). i would rather push manufacturers to make efficient cars by giving incentives or tax breaks. that way efficient cars will still be a large part of the market, but we can still have our fun cars.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

i really like the push for fuel economy in recent years, what i don't like about it is the disappearance of certain cars (like a n/a v8 m3).

Now the M3 has torque.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Now the M3 has torque.

And applies it in a way that nobody wants.

[Fundguy1]

Its a moot argument. The epa liberal stick is doomed. I have no problem protecting the environment. But if spilling 10 gallons of milk is considered a toxic waste spill requiring a hazmat team, or dighing a trench in your yard with a backhoe that fills with water overnight is considered a new protected body of water, and jacking up power prices 40% to lower enmmissions 0.1% on powerplants is what epa has become. Not the organization that it was founded for to stop heavy metals and real toxic waste from getting into the water etc. They stopped that years ago. Just ask Flint Michigan.

[Diver]

Follow up, 12 automakers have asked new EPA administrator Scott Pruitt to withdraw fuel economy rules:

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...bama-co2-rules

[David70]

Originally Posted by Diver

Follow up, 12 automakers have asked new EPA administrator Scott Pruitt to withdraw fuel economy rules:

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...bama-co2-rules

I would be interested in seeing how they determined this -

Automakers have argued that the rules could result in the loss of up to 1 million jobs because consumers could be less willing to buy the more fuel efficient vehicles since their engineering will result in higher price tags.

"Up to 1 million" = 0 to 1 million and seems really random, then we will stop buying as many cars if we have to buy efficient ones? Not seeing it, it may delay my purchase but not significantly and with the amount of leases, these people will continue to get another vehicle as the lease runs out. We should also add in when everyone buys efficient cars and spends less on fuel they are likely to spend this money on something else and I would like to see someone more independent than the one having to follow the law study the result of it.

[Red Bread]

Steaming pile of bullshit. Average car prices have far outstripped any incremental costs for EPA mandated efficiencies. Just lazy car manufacturers trying to take advantage of the current administration.

[NickyC]

Anything that strips away from the past eight years of failure is alright in my book.