[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

in this test it lost every speed battle and not by a little. it might be faster around a track, who knows, but in this test it was a clear loser.

Agreed. Not sure how you spin it losing every category they looked at to be a better all around here.

[greenthumb]

Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

So there are no sports cars with 4 doors?........RIDICULOUS Statement. M3, C-63 AMG, Panamera, M5, CTS-V, GTI, WRX, RS-7, S-8 just to name a few....all of which will beat the shit out of a 135i ///M sport

The point I was trying to make was that I'm not surprised that the Giulia (a sedan) didn't get a manual transmission because even the 4C (a sports car) didn't get a manual. I don't recall saying that a 135i was faster than anything, or even that it was a sports car, but I'm flattered that you took the time to mention my car. I would, however, argue that the term "sports car" describes a form factor, and not a performance threshold.

[greenthumb]

Originally Posted by Haywood

He'll learn. He's a noobie.

Good thing I put on my flame suit this morning. No matter how new I may be to this particular forum, the definition is still the definition. Some light reading for you and AIRPOWER

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_sedan

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by greenthumb

The point I was trying to make was that I'm not surprised that the Giulia (a sedan) didn't get a manual transmission because even the 4C (a sports car) didn't get a manual. I don't recall saying that a 135i was faster than anything, or even that it was a sports car, but I'm flattered that you took the time to mention my car. I would, however, argue that the term "sports car" describes a form factor, and not a performance threshold.

it's neither a form factor nor a performance threshold - it's an activity, i.e., a car used for sport is a sports car.

Thus, if you don't ever use your car for sport, it's not a sports car.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

It seems to me the Gulia has a bit of the same "thick" proportions other FCA sedans and coupes suffer from. Not sure why all their cars look like that.

[greenthumb]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

it's neither a form factor nor a performance threshold - it's an activity, i.e., a car used for sport is a sports car.

Thus, if you don't ever use your car for sport, it's not a sports car.

That's a compelling argument and probably the most literal interpretation. But then what would you call the form factor of cars like the Corvette and the Porsche Cayman? They're not convertibles. And the word coupe typically implies a backseat.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by greenthumb

That's a compelling argument and probably the most literal interpretation. But then what would you call the form factor of cars like the Corvette and the Porsche Cayman? They're not convertibles. And the word coupe typically implies a backseat.

Well, I believe a coupé is classically a 2-door, fixed roof car that's shorter than the sedan/saloon version which is shorter than the wagon/estate version. The names didn't necessarily reflect rows of seats, but rather number of people who could be seated: coupe=2-3, sedan=4-5, estate=6-7.

Using those definitions, the 'vette and Cayman are coupes: 2 seaters, fixed roof.

To any of those definitions manufacturers have added the word "sport"; for example a "sport coupe" would be a coupe which comes off the assembly line designed to be used and competitive in sport, but doesn't have to be.

That would mean a "sports car" is a car whose primary purpose is sport, no matter how many it seats or whether or not it has a fixed roof. For example, the majority of the miles on my F83 are from going to, competing in, or returning from sport. Thus it's a sports car. Even so, I still wouldn't call it that because my "sport" is more pick-up sport rather than organized and clubbed at a regional or larger level.

Wow. Thanks for making me think that through.

[AIRPOWER]

Originally Posted by greenthumb

Good thing I put on my flame suit this morning. No matter how new I may be to this particular forum, the definition is still the definition. Some light reading for you and AIRPOWER

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_sedan

Did I read you say that you wear a "Flamer suit"?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

Did I read you say that you wear a "Flamer suit"?

[Z K]

Originally Posted by greenthumb

The Giulia is definitely not a sports car. It's got 4 doors. The Alpha Romeo 4C definitely IS a sports car, but even that didn't get a manual.

When I say "sports car" I meant "sporty car".

And yes, I would want a manual in any sporty car I'd buy no matter how many doors it has.

I have driven the 4C. It's a very fun car. I think most people get turned off because it is very raw. No power steering, you need to hold the steering wheel tight - it follows every little road imperfection. It's noisy, rough and no refinement at all. It's like driving a go kart and too much involvement for most people to be able to daily drive. All the hard plastics and cheap stuff in it also make it hard to swallow for the price. It feels like a italian sports car from the 60s and 70s more than a modern car... it just needs a manual to make it perfect.

[Frank851]

I'm a fan of the Alfa Romeo 4C, but not of the fact that there is not a standard transmission in it. Not a fan of paddle shifters.

[AW335TT]

I like the car overall, the front end is the weakest part. Not ugly, but also not very good looking.

Love the rear end tho, especially the diffuser. Its the only car in its class that has a diffuser that actually does anything, unlike the embarassment thats on thd M3/4.

[Spinnetti]

its just a slightly better styled M3 clone. Nice, but styling didn't feel special to me in person, but then again, neither does the M3. Its just stale, and the Alfa just a stale clone with no manual trans.

[PoorLurker]

Saw a gray one in San Francisco parked on the street.

My wife said, "It's ugly and looks weird."

[DASHOCKER]

looks like an owl up front

[venturecapital]

the Q looks beautiful but interior is a bit disappointing.

[rainfall]

I saw the regular giulia in person too.
I liked the looks but if there is no manual option in the US, I'd go somewhere else.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

lmaoooo at the argument over the sports car def. another thread. hahaha who gives a rats ass at this point.

[DFW_M]

Just returned from a 2-week business trip in Europe (including the Milan - Bologna - Padova area).
Have seen plenty of Giulias - beautiful.
Obviously, the looks are subjective, and for a F30/Giulia comparison, and the amount of F30s on the Dallas streets, I would prefer the Giulia as my next lease.

However, it will all come down to the test drive and how it performs and feels. I have been with BMWs last 12 years, so, it will be a true challenge to switch.

[1MOREMOD]

Saw one on display at the mall, also thought it wasn't very attractive