[HyeWarrior]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

FCA is desperate to give them away...

I don't think I'd be confident to own one long term out of warranty, but so far, it's a fantastic car.

RWD, and a 4 cylinder turbo making near 300hp is a great starting point. The biggest downside to the Giulia is the low levels of aftermarket options and the questionable reliability after the 40k mileage point. In my opinion, BMW wants way too much money for a base 330i when there isn't much different than the previous F generation aside from gimmick features. They've become bloated, heavy, and packed with useless features. The M3 will probably always be king as far as midsize sedans go, but the 330i segment has a lot of competition now. Even Motortrend recently called the Giulia the modern 3 series. I genuinely hope the next generation Giulia doesn't get pulled from the North American market.

[Savageenterprise]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

FCA is desperate to give them away...

When I cross shopped my 340 to a Guilia TI sport Alfa wanted more money down and the monthly was higher by about $40 per month.

I got a better deal on my bmw and i liked the guilia enough that if they could have matched or been lower I probably would have went with it,

[HyeWarrior]

Originally Posted by Savageenterprise

When I cross shopped my 340 to a Guilia TI sport Alfa wanted more money down and the monthly was higher by about $40 per month.

I got a better deal on my bmw and i liked the guilia enough that if they could have matched or been lower I probably would have went with it,

Just curious, how many Alfa dealers did you try? I talked to 3 until I got a price that I thought was fair for the car and options

[Savageenterprise]

Originally Posted by HyeWarrior

Just curious, how many Alfa dealers did you try? I talked to 3 until I got a price that I thought was fair for the car and options

Two dealers and that one was the better of the two. But it wasn’t even close. They wanted me to put 3k down, and that didn’t include taxes, title tag fees etc. at Alfa. I think the monthly was like $540 PM

BMW was $2869 down including everything OTD. $499 PM

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by HyeWarrior

I don't think I'd be confident to own one long term out of warranty, but so far, it's a fantastic car.

RWD, and a 4 cylinder turbo making near 300hp is a great starting point. The biggest downside to the Giulia is the low levels of aftermarket options and the questionable reliability after the 40k mileage point. In my opinion, BMW wants way too much money for a base 330i when there isn't much different than the previous F generation aside from gimmick features. They've become bloated, heavy, and packed with useless features. The M3 will probably always be king as far as midsize sedans go, but the 330i segment has a lot of competition now. Even Motortrend recently called the Giulia the modern 3 series. I genuinely hope the next generation Giulia doesn't get pulled from the North American market.

Originally Posted by HyeWarrior

I don't think I'd be confident to own one long term out of warranty, but so far, it's a fantastic car.

RWD, and a 4 cylinder turbo making near 300hp is a great starting point. The biggest downside to the Giulia is the low levels of aftermarket options and the questionable reliability after the 40k mileage point. In my opinion, BMW wants way too much money for a base 330i when there isn't much different than the previous F generation aside from gimmick features. They've become bloated, heavy, and packed with useless features. The M3 will probably always be king as far as midsize sedans go, but the 330i segment has a lot of competition now. Even Motortrend recently called the Giulia the modern 3 series. I genuinely hope the next generation Giulia doesn't get pulled from the North American market.

They are lookers specially in red.

[HyeWarrior]

Originally Posted by Savageenterprise

Two dealers and that one was the better of the two. But it wasn’t even close. They wanted me to put 3k down, and that didn’t include taxes, title tag fees etc. at Alfa. I think the monthly was like $540 PM

BMW was $2869 down including everything OTD. $499 PM

Holy cow that's ridiculous.

I got mine for $2600 and $365 including tax out the door. Would've been $2000 down, but I got suckered into shelling out extra for this blue color. In my opinion, totally happy with the extra $600 lol. I'm in love with the color

[Savageenterprise]

Originally Posted by HyeWarrior

Holy cow that's ridiculous.

I got mine for $2600 and $365 including tax out the door. Would've been $2000 down, but I got suckered into shelling out extra for this blue color. In my opinion, totally happy with the extra $600 lol. I'm in love with the color

Wow that’s a great deal! The blue is definitely nice, Alfa does really nice paint jobs.

The one I was looking at had the adaptive suspension, upgraded 19inch diablo looking wheels and was also a Q4 (awd). Idk what options you got but I see yours is RWD, I think that’s like a 2k difference in price alone.

It’s cool though, I really wanted a manual which was not an option on the guilia so I guess it all worked out

Has it been reliable for you? That was another concern I had about the Alfa.

[HyeWarrior]

Originally Posted by Savageenterprise

Wow that’s a great deal! The blue is definitely nice, Alfa does really nice paint jobs.

The one I was looking at had the adaptive suspension, upgraded 19inch diablo looking wheels and was also a Q4 (awd). Idk what options you got but I see yours is RWD, I think that’s like a 2k difference in price alone.

It’s cool though, I really wanted a manual which was not an option on the guilia so I guess it all worked out

Has it been reliable for you? That was another concern I had about the Alfa.

Those wheels are definitely gorgeous. I believe mine is pretty much the base model aside from the 8" infotainment system and the blind spot monitoring. I'm very tempted to get a set of those wheels though. I found a set for a fairly good price.

The AWD I'm sure would hike up the price a bit. I was just looking for a close to base model car.

Can't really speak on reliability though, haven't even put 300 miles on the car yet lol

[Darth One]

I guess the fact that guys are talking about leasing Alfas on a BMW leasing thread really means that bmw leases are truly horrible now

[HyeWarrior]

Originally Posted by Darth One

I guess the fact that guys are talking about leasing Alfas on a BMW leasing thread really means that bmw leases are truly horrible now

Wanting $4000 down and $400+ payments before taxes and fees for a base model 330i is definitely turnoff

[EstorilM240]

Comparing now to fall 2016, the lease payments on the same 2 series would be 13% higher, due to a 5 percentage points worse residual and a two-tenths of a precent APR bump on the money factor. Before the recent interest rate environment pointing towards cuts/drop in yields, the APR was even worse. You can peruse various Edmunds lease threads and leasehackr threads to see how deals have generally gotten less nice in the last few years.

After their epic C&D long term test bomb, Alfa really has to juice their lease offers to get people moving

[NYG]

I don't know about you but my CS lease is ridiculous.

[530iDriver]

Good move in part of BMW to stop heavy lease program subsidizing. This will ensure better resale value for these cars and limit availability to those who can truly afford them new.

[Staszek]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

Good move in part of BMW to stop heavy lease program subsidizing. This will ensure better resale value for these cars and limit availability to those who can truly afford them new.

I think it also really depends on the car.

The only reason I got the new 750i over the 5 is they were giving them away with incentives.

The new 5 and especially the M5 is hotter right now so no need to discount.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

Good move in part of BMW to stop heavy lease program subsidizing. This will ensure better resale value for these cars and limit availability to those who can truly afford them new.

I agree. you water down the market when everyone can get the car. I'm not sure why BMW just didn't make the MSRP in line with the lease rates. Was it just to fool lease owners into thinking they are getting a good deal so they'd sign up ?

[Tim2189]

Who remembers the days off...
24 month lease specials
.00120 MF
6 months pull ahead

[vitaly]

BMW lease programs aren't as good as years past, but they're far better than MB, Audi, and Porsche.

If the Fed reduces rates further, we should see an improvement in BMWFS's MF as well. But .00145 is very competitive today. Residuals are better or inline with competition as well.

[PilotPri]

Thought my lease on a 19 M4 was pretty solid
$2515 down
$4550 refundable deposit
$641/month
30k miles / 36months

Options: full leather seats, heads up display, black grill (6speed)

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by PilotPri

Thought my lease on a 19 M4 was pretty solid
$2515 down
$4550 refundable deposit
$641/month
30k miles / 36months

Options: full leather seats, heads up display, black grill (6speed)

Is the $7500 dealer contribution here?

[thebmw]

I remember when lease rates and MF were posted on these forums. Doesn't seem to happen anymore. The leases were way better up to about 7 years ago when everything started to change.

[MmmmmM2]

Tell you this much, regardless of what the lease rates are, I will always choose to LEASE a new BMW instead of BUYING one.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by F30ZHP

Tell you this much, regardless of what the lease rates are, I will always choose to LEASE a new BMW instead of BUYING one.

Why's that?