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      09-26-2007, 07:40 AM   #23
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Skyline GT-R's have always been a little techno-gizmo'd-out. That's kinda the "thing" with them. Use technology to brutally force the road into submission.

Ceramic brakes are certainly not the means to the end (fast lap times), they simply reduce unsprung weight. It is possible the high-spec GT-R uses them, but I don't see that as the differentiating factor. I believe Nissan's implementation of ATTESA is the big deal on this car--far more sophisticated than Porsche's AWD, or my STi's mechanically-controlled AWD. The GT-R will likely be a little "overweight" in our minds, but be able to use every scrap of its large available power.

You can bet the version circling in the low 7's is NOT 57-67k. I bet it's pushing 100k. The 57k GT-R will be a hell of a performer in it's class, most likely, but you'll have to seriously pony up to get the Nurburbring-pounder.

I have always liked the Skyline... But at the low end of the spectrum I'd probably opt for a Cayman or 911... At the high end, if I could afford the 90-100k for the top dawg, I'd be buying a GT3.

Maybe not, we'll see. My wife is going to need a new coupe in the next year...
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      09-26-2007, 08:13 AM   #24
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The GTR has grown on me alot. The only problem with the car is you have to service it at Nissan which is piss poor at best. If only it were badged as an Infiniti...
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      09-26-2007, 12:36 PM   #25
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Obviously power to weight ratios isn't all there is to lap times.




Look at all those steering wheel buttons... little distracting IMO and gives it a video game look. I do like the cockpit though.:biggrin:
I know this silly, but check it out:

7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:31 --- 164,375 km/h - Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl according to www.automotorsport.se/tv/?m=11159
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/ 1440 kg (*mfr.)
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=83550
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05, www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=98&page=&type=news,
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=91&page=&type=news
7.39 --- 161.575 km/h -- TechArt GT street (based on 997 Turbo) 620 PS/1552 kg (sport auto 10/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=1&tID=140084
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Röhrl (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h – Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1655 kg (AutoBild sportscars 01/07) *mfr., company test driver Giorgio Sanna
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend

The gtr is rumored to weight 1700 kg(ish) and have 450, with worse brakes and more unsprung weight then most of these cars. Anyways, I believe, with other advancements that it probably has, it could get high 7:30's but 7:15?!!? or even 7:30?!!?, like i said I'll eat my shirt. And if it can do it, it weighs alot less then 1700kg or has alot more then 450hp, or both. Or maybe it's running tires that'll last one lap?
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      09-26-2007, 02:39 PM   #26
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Like I said, the numbers you are quoting (1700kg/450hp) are for the "lesser" models. If it's circling in the 7:15 range, it's not one of those models.

Remember: Nissan rented the track that day. You think they're f*cking around? No. They WANT us to know the lap times. It builds hype. Who knows if the 7:15 is true, but you can bet it's gonna be well into the 7s.

What are you wearing now? Just trying to decide whether to send ketchup, or buttescotch for your shirt-filled snack.
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      09-26-2007, 05:45 PM   #27
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Like I said, the numbers you are quoting (1700kg/450hp) are for the "lesser" models. If it's circling in the 7:15 range, it's not one of those models.

Remember: Nissan rented the track that day. You think they're f*cking around? No. They WANT us to know the lap times. It builds hype. Who knows if the 7:15 is true, but you can bet it's gonna be well into the 7s.

What are you wearing now? Just trying to decide whether to send ketchup, or buttescotch for your shirt-filled snack.

If your right, I'm buying one. But if your right, like I said, it has more then 450hp and/or less then 1700kg curb.
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      09-26-2007, 08:32 PM   #28
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Agreed. We'll make that butterscotch, then. Goes with wool and tweed. :wink:

These are interesting times.
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Ceramic brakes are certainly not the means to the end (fast lap times), they simply reduce unsprung weight.
They do more than that...
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      10-03-2007, 10:25 PM   #30
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The GTR will be a monster of a car no doubt. I'm sure the motor is underated. I believe the car is suppose to come in 3 trim levels.

GTR Base $60
GTR V Spec $75
GTR Evo Spec $100

I believe the Evo Spec model will have over 500hp and serious track oriented hardware.... Brakes/oil coolers/aero/etc.
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