[Tallest]

Gorgeous Lemon peel on that Yellow paint.

The way that rear door fails to match a bulging rear arch is atroceous.

The mismatches rim sizes are dumb, you are not Porsche, please stop.

OK, thats out of my system. Funky car otherwise. As all, will look much better in person. The 2.5 tonne weight is no joke of course, so expect the wear on components will be substantial - braking system, tyres, etc. Its a true beast.

[camF80]

The wealthy 30% Chinese market share will make sure this thing sells enough to keep BMW making ugly vehicles.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by Athena

Let’s see if the sales numbers match the amount of hate this thing has received. I anticipate a 4-Series/M4 situation where this thing will fly off shelves.

Originally Posted by wesleyan92

Greater the hate, greater the sales.

If the current design queues didn't prove this out (M3/4, iX, M2...), nothing will.

For me, I love the look of this car. While the weight worries me, I don't track my cars; an advanced and great suspension set up to mask the weight is plenty good for me.

They couldn’t give away the iX, BMW had to resort to tens of thousands of lease cash to move them. The XM has also been a failure (slow selling and reliability issues) and shares its powertrain with the M5.

[DarkstarZero]

Given how they're offering 20k off on the XM, it literally pays to wait.

[Remigijus]

Originally Posted by Tallest

Gorgeous Lemon peel on that Yellow paint.

The way that rear door fails to match a bulging rear arch is atroceous.

The mismatches rim sizes are dumb, you are not Porsche, please stop.

OK, thats out of my system. Funky car otherwise. As all, will look much better in person. The 2.5 tonne weight is no joke of course, so expect the wear on components will be substantial - braking system, tyres, etc. Its a true beast.

That strange transition from door to arch - I believe is only for saving costs by using base 5 series doors. It looks very weird as in M3

[Greer]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

The G90 M5 will sell.

But not for the reason most people think.

One would assume the G90 will sell because people like it, but I don't think that this will be the case so much. It think the G90 will sell well because of "lack of options." Kind of like the beautiful country girl who rates a 10 who grew up in a small country town, didn't want to leave, and ended marrying an Average Joe, why? Because of lack of options.

Let's analyze the XM for a minute. We all know that the sales of the XM have been a abysmal, but you have to look at the market in which it competes. In that same segment you have the, the Lamborghini Urus, the Audi Q8RS, the Porsche Cayenne GT or even really a Cayenne Coupe S is still close on price the XM, the Mercedes G-Wagen, the Range Rover Defender, the Aston Martin DBX, and more. That market segment is cluttered with extremely tough competition, and all of the alternatives to the XM are really really good! It's not that the BMW XM is a terrible choice, but it doesn't really offer much of an incentive over the competition unless you just really really like BMW and want the badge.

Now lets look at the direct competition for the G90 M5 in 2025 and going forward from that year. We will have in 2025 the:

- Mercedes E63S: This car will also be a PHEV and with a 6cyl engine instead of a V8 like the M5. We don't have many details yet.

- Mercedes AMG GT63S and E-Performance: These cars still have the V8. The GT63S already does a claimed 0-60 in 2.6s, meanwhile the E Performance will come with 831hp and 1082lb/ft of torque. I don't know how much the E Performance will weigh, but as a PHEV it will only get a 7 mile all electric range based on the WLTP cycle. But the price of these cars are far above the price of a G90 M5.

- Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing: Don't know how much longer this car will be in production, but not too much longer. However, it's a Cadillac, and it's getting dated, and it's a Cadillac. Not too many people who would buy a BMW or a Mercedes will be cross-shopping for a Cadillac.

- Audi RS6/RS7: These cars are also getting dated and won't be in production much longer. I don't know what Audi has planned after the RS6/RS7 but they are already upping their game on the new GTRS BEV side of things.

- Porsche Panamera Turbo/Turbo S and E-Hybrid: While the updated Panamera got some very good updates for its refresh, the price of these things are not even comparable to a G90 M5. They will still be in production for a few years, and these cars still come equipped with a V8.

So that's pretty much it. In a few years the Cadillac will be out of production and so will the Audi's. Leaving not much else.

At its price point, to buy a brand new Sports Sedan that comes with a V8 for at least the next 7 years, means that the G90 M5 will sell plenty of cars. The G90 M5 will clearly be a bargain and will be one of the last of its kind in automotive history. I don't think people will necessarily buy the G90 M5 because they actually WANT a car that weighs 5,390lbs, but they will buy it because, what choice do they have.

Also considering where we are historically in the realm of economics today, we have more millionaires on the planet today than ever before in history. We also have many more people in the world, especially in the United States, that have a net worth exceeding $500,000. This combined with the fact that the G90 M5 is hybrid, meaning that you can still put gas in it and fill the tank in 5 minutes, means that there are a lot more people today who can actually afford a car at the G90 M5's price point and still have the convenience to be able to drive it without being tethered to either home charging or fast charging from public infrastructure. It's about convenience. The G90 M5 still offers that convenience. M Division still wants people to be able to fill the tank and take the car on the racetrack and have fun, over and over again. Plus all of the other benefits you get from the hybrid drive train, cheaper cost in Europe, complying with EU7 and EPA, etc...

So there you have it. The G90 M5 will indeed "fly off the shelves" as so many have eloquently put it. Despite the weight gain, M Division's decision to make the G90 PHEV, means that it is the right car at the right time. Consumers and car enthusiasts are not yet ready to go full EV yet. I'd say give it another 7-10 years and we will be having a different conversation.

Hey RPiM5, very well said and true. Here in Los Angeles G-Wagons are king in the SUV category. You are missed at the Los Angeles M5 meets, our community has grown rather large.

[Bimmerfun82]

Mustard yellow does a lot for the look

[CryptoM2]

Call me crazy but I just don't understand plug in hybrids. Now you have 2 energy sources you have to pay for. I think if they went the route Porsche did with the 911 this would be a hit. Small battery for torque fill (as if either cars need it).

Sidenote: loose some weight and you don't need more power then previous generation. BMW walking around like what else can we shove in here, who the f*** cares?! Chassis and suspension will conceal it.

Yeah, right.

[wesleyan92]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

Thing is this is more than just a styling issue. Oh look at that huge grill. Or the buck teeth. Etc etc. This is a radical departure from what any m5 has ever been. The have radically changed the car all around and generally speaking not for the better is the consensus. Go read Reddit also you’ll see. ……..

You had me till you brought up “REDDIT”

😂😂😂😂

[Game]

Originally Posted by Athena

Let’s see if the sales numbers match the amount of hate this thing has received. I anticipate a 4-Series/M4 situation where this thing will fly off shelves.

I think this car didn't get half the hate that the G80/G82 and the G87 got. That being said, it's not exactly the same clientele because of the price point. I don't believe this one will sell as well as the F90, but by no means will they be ice cold. If BMW puts an M badge on something, people will buy it.

[AM340iMiami]

It’s a nice looking M5. Haters will hate.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Greer

Hey RPiM5, very well said and true. Here in Los Angeles G-Wagons are king in the SUV category. You are missed at the Los Angeles M5 meets, our community has grown rather large.

Thank you old friend. I miss SoCal every single day. Where I live, I see Urus’s like they are growing on trees. Like Arnold once said: “I’ll be back.”

[azuki]

i LOVE the design. I'm happy that 99% reddit/bimmerpost hate the design of the new cars, it shows BMW knows the target demographic/market trends for the next 10+years.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by Erebor

All the while this is absolutely true, the M5 will just get a new target group of buyers. All the purists who hate on the car will not buy it (or most of them anyway), but there will be new ppl who will like the car. It will be a success, hate or not.

Just think,...in 2-3 years when they are coming off lease, will a person looking to get a M5 buy an E28,...E34,...E60,...F10,...F90,...or a G90?

Given the typical new car depreciation hit, I think an M5 buyer would be hard pressed pass on a used CPO G90 for an F90 or an F10, etc. Just like someone looking for an F90 won't give the F10 a second thought!

Edit: Why couldn't they placed the "Charge Port" at the Left Rear quarter panel? SMH

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

The G90 M5 will sell.

But not for the reason most people think.

One would assume the G90 will sell because people like it, but I don't think that this will be the case so much. It think the G90 will sell well because of "lack of options." Kind of like the beautiful country girl who rates a 10 who grew up in a small country town, didn't want to leave, and ended marrying an Average Joe, why? Because of lack of options.

Let's analyze the XM for a minute. We all know that the sales of the XM have been a abysmal, but you have to look at the market in which it competes. In that same segment you have the, the Lamborghini Urus, the Audi Q8RS, the Porsche Cayenne GT or even really a Cayenne Coupe S is still close on price the XM, the Mercedes G-Wagen, the Range Rover Defender, the Aston Martin DBX, and more. That market segment is cluttered with extremely tough competition, and all of the alternatives to the XM are really really good! It's not that the BMW XM is a terrible choice, but it doesn't really offer much of an incentive over the competition unless you just really really like BMW and want the badge.

Now lets look at the direct competition for the G90 M5 in 2025 and going forward from that year. We will have in 2025 the:

- Mercedes E63S: This car will also be a PHEV and with a 6cyl engine instead of a V8 like the M5. We don't have many details yet.

- Mercedes AMG GT63S and E-Performance: These cars still have the V8. The GT63S already does a claimed 0-60 in 2.6s, meanwhile the E Performance will come with 831hp and 1082lb/ft of [...]

“The G90 will sell because of a lack of alternatives”

*lists 5 alternatives and forgets a few more*

[Evinrude1975]

Originally Posted by Athena

Let’s see if the sales numbers match the amount of hate this thing has received. I anticipate a 4-Series/M4 situation where this thing will fly off shelves.

It’s not a matter of hate and love. It’s a matter of math and phisic: 2,435 kilograms, 500 kilos more than its predecessor

[hlm2c]

Hankooks on a M5?!?

[dba1t]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

That strange transition from door to arch - I believe is only for saving costs by using base 5 series doors. It looks very weird as in M3

While not great, the rear door/arch transition is softened as compared to the current G80 M3.

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Thank you old friend. I miss SoCal every single day. Where I live, I see Urus’s like they are growing on trees. Like Arnold once said: “I’ll be back.”

That sounds like Miami.

[Ludo2024]

They’ll sell a lot more but my bet is on the touring rather than the sedan.

[McLaren720s]

I like it! Not a track car so weight won’t be the end of the world especially with how capable the chassis and suspension will be.
With a tune and exhaust this thing will be making 900hp in a heartbeat.

[Adris]

Originally Posted by camF80

The wealthy 30% Chinese market share will make sure this thing sells enough to keep BMW making ugly vehicles.

Just had a chat with my Chinese friend who lives in Beijing. He said, 'Nah, this M5 looks outdated and boring. He prefers futuristic-looking models such as the new 7 Series, iX or at least the M4/M3.