[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

Each of those M5s have more horsepower than the truck!

And more weight too

[Puneet///M3]

When are the driving reviews coming out for this?

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

Each of those M5s have more horsepower than the truck!

None of those M5 can tow the unloaded truck, that thing probably transports multiple 911 GT3 RS and Panamera turbo s E-hybrid also.

Sometimes size matters. Not sure what’s the point you are making lol

[PNWM3]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

God how have the tables turned over time.

Hope BMW changes their path and goes back to the old ways

Make BMW Great Again? So bored with these comments…

[ghaffari46]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

None of those M5 can tow the unloaded truck, that thing probably transports multiple 911 GT3 RS and Panamera turbo s E-hybrid also.

Sometimes size matters. Not sure what’s the point you are making lol

That was a joke buddy! We are not making any points on this forum! Just nagging why BMW doesn’t care about feeling of buch of old dudes like me who missed their E39s and E46s!!

[Tallest]

Probably some random person on a Mercedes truck forum: "man, the new Actros is so heavy, Mercedes has lost its way" meh meh.

[gnx]

On the subject of weight, a new M5 specced with a carbon roof and ceramic brakes is within 10 kilograms of weight difference to the Panamera turbo s E-hybrid.

I don't frequent porsche forums, (is there a panamera board?), but if there is one I doubt that posters over there bitch about that car's weight the way people comment about the M5 over here.

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

God how have the tables turned over time.

Hope BMW changes their path and goes back to the old ways

There is no hope, the "old ways" are gone and all that remains are cars like the new M5. Even "if" BMW would attempt to make cars like back then, they couldnt, because modern emission, safety and noise regulations would'nt allow for it.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by Erebor

There is no hope, the "old ways" are gone and all that remains are cars like the new M5. Even "if" BMW would attempt to make cars like back then, they couldnt, because modern emission, safety and noise regulations would'nt allow for it.

All excuses, Elon still makes cars but makes crap quality cars and pockets big margins. If not so greedy they ‘could’ set a new standard

BMW management is enjoying some immunity behind the curtain of regulations, emissions and what not. Merc and Porsche still making decent cars following same regulations. And the biggest load of bollocks is the design language also being forced into the current abominations by regulations. There is enough BS in the claims that have been made in the past (sorry this is not targeted at you).

[Schn3ll]

Originally Posted by gnx

On the subject of weight, a new M5 specced with a carbon roof and ceramic brakes is within 10 kilograms of weight difference to the Panamera turbo s E-hybrid.

I don't frequent porsche forums, (is there a panamera board?), but if there is one I doubt that posters over there bitch about that car's weight the way people comment about the M5 over here.

Apples to oranges. Panamera is a different class (more aligned to S class and 7 series). My wife has a Panamera e hybrid and it’s heavy but it’s also not pretending to be a track focused sedan. BMW has lost the plot.

[gnx]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

Apples to oranges. Panamera is a different class (more aligned to S class and 7 series). My wife has a Panamera e hybrid and it’s heavy but it’s also not pretending to be a track focused sedan. BMW has lost the plot.

Yet if you compare sizes in millimeters, the differences can be measured in fingers. They have practically the same footprint.

The new M5 is not being marketed as a track focused sedan. The M5 has not been marketed as a track focused sedan ever since the recirculating ball equipped e39. Since the e39 M5, there have always been smaller bmw M models available that fit the description of a track focused sedan immeasurably better.

Look at this Porsche released video

Isn't this a pretend track focused sedan with two different wheelbase versions, both measuring over 5 meters long?

Whose lost plot are you referring to?

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

This is simply awesome guys... !

[ANDREW THOMAS]

Big cars for big men

[rabith007_b58]

The 2025 BMW M5 weighs a hefty 5390 pounds!! 🫨😵‍💫

That SUCKS!

[jri_21]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

And more weight too

👍🏻😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[Bimmerfun82]

This did not play out the way OP thought it would...

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Soon Tesla trucks could take over.

lmao that endeavor failed since they had a truck (actual truck not to be confused with the wankpanzer) catch fire. typical leon muskrat behavior. overpromise and under deliver

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

Apples to oranges. Panamera is a different class (more aligned to S class and 7 series). My wife has a Panamera e hybrid and it’s heavy but it’s also not pretending to be a track focused sedan. BMW has lost the plot.

Here is a comparison of the new M5 to the new Panamera Turbo S e-Hybrid from a numbers standpoint. Overall the numbers are pretty similar.

The M5 is 41mm longer and 32mm wider (not including mirrors).

The M5 is 26kg heavier.

The gross battery capacity in the Panamera is 3.8 KwHr bigger

The M5 has 54 fewer hp and 1 more ft lbs of torque.

[TheStanman]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

Apples to oranges. Panamera is a different class (more aligned to S class and 7 series). My wife has a Panamera e hybrid and it’s heavy but it’s also not pretending to be a track focused sedan. BMW has lost the plot.

Exactly. "Turbo S" is a very different brand ethos than M. Maximum luxury, acceleration, and features rather than track-focused car. Porsche doesn't put a PHEV into their GT or "Turbo GT" cars. Also worth noting the Panamera has nearly 2x the battery size vs M5 (26 kWh vs 15 kWh).

But most concerning to me is that BMW lacks the chassis systems to make a heavy car both handle and ride well. Other OEMs use air suspension, 48v anti-roll, hydraulic cross-linked, Porsche's "Active Ride", etc. The XM shows why they're so important. It has horrible ride, while still not handling as well as a Cayenne PHEV.

I hope I'm wrong and BMW achieved a decent ride-handling balance with the M5. I think the M5 looks good, it's just the above I take issue with.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by TheStanman

Also worth noting the Panamera has nearly 2x the battery size vs M5 (26 kWh vs 15 kWh).

Porsche lists the gross size of their battery, versus BMW which lists the usable capacity. The gross battery capacity for their Panamera is 25.9 versus 22.1 for the M5, about 15% smaller.

The US and EU have different rules for how low you can discharge a battery for rating usable capacity. Which is why you see the battery capacity in the euro specs be 18.6 vs 14.8 in the US specs. The battery in both is the same with a gross capacity of 22.1.

[The0bald]

Originally Posted by gnx

On the subject of weight, a new M5 specced with a carbon roof and ceramic brakes is within 10 kilograms of weight difference to the Panamera turbo s E-hybrid.

I don't frequent porsche forums, (is there a panamera board?), but if there is one I doubt that posters over there bitch about that car's weight the way people comment about the M5 over here.

The average F90 whinger on a forum certainly wont mention the Panamera because, that particular heavy as hell hybrid whips the F90 CS around the Nurburgring- now that doesn't fit the agenda…..!

[CatchF22DirtyF30]

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