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      11-16-2024, 04:09 AM   #23
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The G80/82 had the same debacle as everyone swore off the grill yet it’s still selling like hot bread and it’s volume compared to previous M3(and 4 I suppose), is looking to be higher throughout its lifespan.

BMW isn’t moving from this design language sorry to break it to you.
dukec left, and we get two new heads of design.

if you don’t think this will change design i’m not sure what to tell you.

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they fired the entire design team that was responsible for this design.
As I look at the new X3 and its design language, I beg to differ as it isn’t my cup of tea
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As I look at the new X3 and its design language, I beg to differ as it isn’t my cup of tea
afaik we have not seen any designs from the new team yet.
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they fired the entire design team that was responsible for this design.
No they didn’t. It was a restructure like German automakers typically do after every generation or so. The head of BMW Design also remains.
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I wonder what the Tiresrift ratio is?

Then you can calculate the cost per drift 😁
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No they didn’t. It was a restructure like German automakers typically do after every generation or so. The head of BMW Design also remains.
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I actually don’t mind the car but there is an important question to ask. What defines Motorsport? You could potentially make an M bus but doesn’t that make the term Motorsport pointless? Maybe this M5 hasn’t crossed that line yet but at what weight and size does M become a joke?
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I wonder how many of the future buyers will drift this M5?
Fewer than the number of likes on your post
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      11-16-2024, 03:16 PM   #32
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Fewer than the number of likes on your post
This car is close to perfect for its intended buyer. The executive who wants luxury and to feel special but when they want to take out some business frustration and stress out on the car they can.

Close to zero buyers in the target market will drift outside a skid pan.

Nearly all new BMW models are hated these days, but like the G80 and G82 these will sell like crazy to their intended market.

Nothing is perfect but IMO BMW have almost nailed this, again at their target market.
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This car is close to perfect for its intended buyer. The executive who wants luxury and to feel special but when they want to take out some business frustration and stress out on the car they can.

Close to zero buyers in the target market will drift outside a skid pan.

Nearly all new BMW models are hated these days, but like the G80 and G82 these will sell like crazy to their intended market.

Nothing is perfect but IMO BMW have almost nailed this, again at their target market.
… could not agree more. The car targets the desired consumer segment very well. And that’s the most direct road to profits.

The new X3? Waiting for the sales statistics.
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Car looks impressive, and mini Jake looks like he can drive, but wtf risk those drifts with those ledges.
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No they didn’t. It was a restructure like German automakers typically do after every generation or so. The head of BMW Design also remains.
domagoj dukec, the head of BMW design, was fired. he moves to rolls royce.

we are getting polestar’s designer.
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domagoj dukec, the head of BMW design, was fired. he moves to rolls royce.

we are getting polestar’s designer.
Fired? Wth are you talking about, he is promoted.
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Fired? Wth are you talking about, he is promoted.
He is no longer working on BMWs and that is what is relevant here. he is going to rolls royce. which is great, because I want BMWs to look good again.

“Dukec’s previous responsibilities will now be shared by two people: Maximilian Missoni and Oliver Heilmer”

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He is no longer working on BMWs and that is what is relevant here. he is going to rolls royce. which is great, because I want BMWs to look good again.
Sorry to inform you, but the Neue Klasse design is made by the same team. You’ll start seeing it in 2026 and for several years to come. Which looks great imo.

Edit for your edited post: Yes, Maximilian Missoni comes from Polestar as we know, and Oliver Heilmer from Mini department.

Btw M5 exterior design is made by Jose Casas, same as with M2.
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Sorry to inform you, but the Neue Klasse design is made by the same team. You’ll start seeing it in 2026 and for several years to come
considering the new projects will no longer be headed by dokec,and due to the fact that they have brought in two people with very different design philosophy, this is not true.

while it will still be called neue klasse, dokec’s hand will be out of it, which will definitely lead to changes.
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Sorry to inform you, but the Neue Klasse design is made by the same team. You’ll start seeing it in 2026 and for several years to come. Which looks great imo.

Edit for your edited post: Yes, Maximilian Missoni comes from Polestar as we know, and Oliver Heilmer from Mini department.

Btw M5 exterior design is made by Jose Casas, same as with M2.
jose casas UNDER dokec.

if you think design language isn’t going to change a smidge given that dokec left and two new heads were brought in, I’m not sure what to tell you.

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they fired the entire design team that was responsible for this design.
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dukec went to rr,

we get two new people.

it will affect design.
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jose casas UNDER dokec.

if you think design language isn’t going to change a smidge given that dokec left and two new heads were brought in, I’m not sure what to tell you.
Yes, Jose was lead by Domagoj. Just want to tell, than no matter that BWM Group team is rearranged, Neue Klasse is done, approved and now in testing phase, test mules rolled out already. Design is of course will be different, but made by the exact same you hate so much.

Max from Polestar and others - don't expect influenced design by them any time soon. That's just not how it works.
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dukec went to rr,

we get two new people.

it will affect design.
That’s more accurate. Really just 1 new guy though. IMO this shuffling around was more a matter of routine rather than in reaction to any sentiment from the public. Hooydonk is still the design boss. Things are always changing and we’re already seeing that with the NK cars (which were designed years ago), so yes the design language will change. That would’ve happened whether we liked it or not.
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