[Az5]

Looking forward to checking one out at my local dealer, even though I am not sold.

However, some company is going to make bank selling an aftermarket diffuser that covers the middle portion.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by M3PGH

I had an F10
and 2 F90 all comp
certainly sound seem muffled compared to F90 but we did not push car as it had only 3 miles and we did like a 5 mile loop each of us
HUD was too big. It felt like a laptop sitting on the hood and it had too much information like a blue and red line
blue indicating electric use
red indicating ICE use
had to shut it down . In full disclosure I am not a HUD guy so I shut it on all my cars but this one seemed big

Thank you for the feedback

[dbru]

A local dealer who I didn't get mine from got their HEA M5. It looks so much better in person. Much more aggressive than I thought it would even though I'm not a fan of red. I'm guessing as people see it in person those who disavow it may change their mind.

Gotta be honest, I question the no interest folks here and can go pick one up from a dealer. This dealer said anything not sold is a HEA. I saw the order bank for the dealer I got mine from and it's 5 deep for sedan and 7 for touring. The dealer I saw this one at said they had 10 between sedan and touring in the order bank.

[soulsea]

Originally Posted by dbru

Gotta be honest, I question the no interest folks here and can go pick one up from a dealer.

With all due respect, you can question it all you want, it doesn’t change reality.

I or anyone who walked into my dealer could have driven out with that green one on Saturday at MSRP. It doesn’t mean my dealer doesn’t have any customer orders in the system (I didn’t ask), it just means that there was one available at sticker day one. Do with that info what you will, but it is accurate … although I do appreciate why anyone invested in this car would wish it were otherwise. Not sure why though, M5s were never cars that were hard to get or held any value, I bought my 19 M5C $15k under sticker and that car did not have the negative reception this one does, so this is just normalcy.

[subterFUSE]

In 2019, BMW couldn't give these cars away. That's when people were getting $1200 a month leases on M5.

[dbru]

Originally Posted by soulsea

With all due respect, you can question it all you want, it doesn’t change reality.

I or anyone who walked into my dealer could have driven out with that green one on Saturday at MSRP. It doesn’t mean my dealer doesn’t have any customer orders in the system (I didn’t ask), it just means that there was one available at sticker day one. Do with that info what you will, but it is accurate … although I do appreciate why anyone invested in this car would wish it were otherwise. Not sure why though, M5s were never cars that were hard to get or held any value, I bought my 19 M5C $15k under sticker and that car did not have the negative reception this one does, so this is just normalcy.

I don't disagree at all with your sentiment. Almost all cars don't hold their value. I'm sure you are very familiar with this owning a MS Plaid. We buy a car we like. At the end of the day if I wait a year I may be able to get 15k under MSRP. When you're spending 130k on the car why bother waiting.

[M3PGH]

Originally Posted by dbru

A local dealer who I didn't get mine from got their HEA M5. It looks so much better in person. Much more aggressive than I thought it would even though I'm not a fan of red. I'm guessing as people see it in person those who disavow it may change their mind.

Gotta be honest, I question the no interest folks here and can go pick one up from a dealer. This dealer said anything not sold is a HEA. I saw the order bank for the dealer I got mine from and it's 5 deep for sedan and 7 for touring. The dealer I saw this one at said they had 10 between sedan and touring in the order bank.

all these lists are BS from the dealer
recent history lesson from the Covid days, shortage spiked artificial demand and a lot of people started putting their names on lists for any hot car and this is over
but dealers are trying to extend the hype by telling people that I have x number of people on this car so you feel good about paying MSRP
I had 3 M5 and 2 of the three I ordered and both were 10 % under sticker
and for me to bite into this one I need that from dealer plus a chunk of rebates from factory and / or high RV with low money factor as the only way to get this car is lease
why? heavy rocks sink to the bottom
and hybrid technology will improve at a striking pace so IMO , everyone should lease these things otherwise financial hit will be significant

[dbru]

Originally Posted by M3PGH

all these lists are BS from the dealer
recent history lesson from the Covid days, shortage spiked artificial demand and a lot of people started putting their names on lists for any hot car and this is over
but dealers are trying to extend the hype by telling people that I have x number of people on this car so you feel good about paying MSRP
I had 3 M5 and 2 of the three I ordered and both were 10 % under sticker
and for me to bite into this one I need that from dealer plus a chunk of rebates from factory and / or high RV with low money factor as the only way to get this car is lease
why? heavy rocks sink to the bottom
and hybrid technology will improve at a striking pace so IMO , everyone should lease these things otherwise financial hit will be significant

I actually have a screen shot of the dealer order bank for M5s so I'm fairly certain it's accurate unless they altered it.

Waiting on hybrid technology is similar to waiting on buying a new computer for the next chip. When that chip comes out a new one will be announced and it makes sense to wait again. You never buy.

The only cars that are getting decimated in value are EVs. Could be wrong but one day this will be deemed the last great M5, because it's the last one that isn't EV.

Maybe I will take a huge hit on it but such is life. For now just gonna have fun with it. If it depreciates at a 20% delta to other similar models oh well. It's the toll of early adopter fun.

[Moewron]

Originally Posted by dbru

I actually have a screen shot of the dealer order bank for M5s so I'm fairly certain it's accurate unless they altered it.

Waiting on hybrid technology is similar to waiting on buying a new computer for the next chip. When that chip comes out a new one will be announced and it makes sense to wait again. You never buy.

The only cars that are getting decimated in value are EVs. Could be wrong but one day this will be deemed the last great M5, because it's the last one that isn't EV.

Maybe I will take a huge hit on it but such is life. For now just gonna have fun with it. If it depreciates at a 20% delta to other similar models oh well. It's the toll of early adopter fun.

Great points, all. And if you can afford it now, why wait to buy a car like this until you've aged more?

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

In 2019, BMW couldn't give these cars away. That's when people were getting $1200 a month leases on M5.

That is partly true... however the 2019 M5 (107,695) cost less and MF was also less, the payment isnt exactly apples to apples. Today 25 base is 119,500. That's 11,805 increase and on a 36 month without interest your talking an increase of 328 dollars a month, without options, fees.

Also in 2019 most people where waiting for the Comp vs the base M5.

In time sub MSRP deals will come as inventory catches up with demand. However, 1200 dollars leases are a thing of the past as inflation has adjusted that up.

[imrickjames]

Below MSRP is already a thing. Got mine below MSRP. All signs point to less demand for this one than the F90 had at launch. Substantively, there are clear trade-offs for this car, but many of them are worthwhile.

[imrickjames]

Originally Posted by Cannondale900

Stopped by my local dealer today to check out their HEA car. They originally said they weren't going to sell it for a while as BMW had a one month block on sales. BMW ended up lifting that block early and someone was coming to pick up the M5 this evening; therefore, I could not take for a test drive.

I felt mostly the same as above. Car was better looking in person than in pictures.....both exterior and interior. The red interior has a fluorescence to it that was a bit too much for me.

In addition to the above, I felt like the rear seating area, door panels, and threshold were missing certain finishes (e.g. doorsill threshold, lighting strip like front door panel, etc). The non-leather door panel tops and dash are nice to the touch but could use some variation either by way of texture or color. The lack of thigh bolster extensions, which have been on most M cars for ages, seems cheap. The curved screens were scaled reasonably well. The stereo was underwhelming.

The big thing for me was the seemingly diminished visibility as compared to previous BMWs. I've always liked visibility from BMWs. This one seems a bit compromised.

I hopped back in my RS6 and the interior immediately felt like it was more mature and thorough (rear seating area, lighting around seat belt buckles, etc).

I'm still planning on keeping my G99 order but there is an outside chance I keep the RS6 and pass on the M5 touring.

Given your location, this might be the car I picked up last night. Love it thus far, though there are little things I already miss from my post-LCI F90C.

[imrickjames]

Both of the local dealers I dealt with gave the impression at the outset that there would be no movement on price, or (in the case of one of them) that they were going to sell the M5 over MSRP. Hold the line; I've had two F90s (one bought at launch, and another, leased a few years later) that went ~$7k and ~$12k under MSRP, respectively in 2018 and 2021, and in both cases I had to venture pretty far to find one.

I went from finding no local dealers with an available build slot from 2023 through September 2024, to multiple cars being available locally. This is a good car, but demand is not what BMW anticipated and they have yet to adjust by offering incentives and rebates. You can get ahead of that by closing well below MSRP, or you can wait for manufacturer incentives to kick in (might be as early as December).

[soulsea]

It's really unbelievable. My dealer's first car that I passed on at msrp over a week ago still sits unsold. They drove it to our local car meet today to try and sell it. Unfortunately they parked it next to an F90 so that didn't help at all. Literally no one in town wants this thing at sticker.

dbru I'd reach out to them again and see if they'll drop their 'out of towner' markup ... they seem to be really motivated.

[Bluex]

Visiting my SA, discussing putting an order in for a G90 he took me back to detailing to catch a glimpse of one about to be delivered. Definitely much sharper in person.

[ledgy]

Originally Posted by masd79

Spotted at local dealer today, looks so much better in person

Storm Bay looks great. almost ordered this colour

[dbru]

Originally Posted by soulsea

It's really unbelievable. My dealer's first car that I passed on at msrp over a week ago still sits unsold. They drove it to our local car meet today to try and sell it. Unfortunately they parked it next to an F90 so that didn't help at all. Literally no one in town wants this thing at sticker.

dbru I'd reach out to them again and see if they'll drop their 'out of towner' markup ... they seem to be really motivated.

At this point I'm just gonna stick with my order that's waiting for a vessel to ship here. I really like the carbon black, black wheels and interior look. That diffusor when it's not paired with black throws me off.

Does anyone know if they offer rebates in Dec and I haven't taken possession of the car would I still qualify?

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by soulsea

It's really unbelievable. My dealer's first car that I passed on at msrp over a week ago still sits unsold. They drove it to our local car meet today to try and sell it. Unfortunately they parked it next to an F90 so that didn't help at all. Literally no one in town wants this thing at sticker.

dbru I'd reach out to them again and see if they'll drop their 'out of towner' markup ... they seem to be really motivated.

I was there and saw this car. It does look better in person. But man, it's a much bigger car than the F90. At least a couple inches taller and it's wide.

The good news for me is that I won't be in the market for another car until Sept 2026, so that leaves time to see how owners report on it. Also leaves me time to hopefully see what Audi does with the next gen RS7 Avant.

Still, the price on a loaded M5 is now in the realm of a loaded Merc S class, but the S class has so many more luxury features plus more back seat space and trunk.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by soulsea

It's really unbelievable. My dealer's first car that I passed on at msrp over a week ago still sits unsold. They drove it to our local car meet today to try and sell it. Unfortunately they parked it next to an F90 so that didn't help at all. Literally no one in town wants this thing at sticker.

dbru I'd reach out to them again and see if they'll drop their 'out of towner' markup ... they seem to be really motivated.

i think its an odd scenario, where everyone is cramming into an m3 these days... the size and price point is better and its what an m5 was many years ago but w xdrive... so these things just wont sell like the peior gen unless someone wants a heavy luxurious tank which is what most performance car buyers dont want

[PNWM3]

Originally Posted by soulsea

It's really unbelievable. My dealer's first car that I passed on at msrp over a week ago still sits unsold. They drove it to our local car meet today to try and sell it. Unfortunately they parked it next to an F90 so that didn't help at all. Literally no one in town wants this thing at sticker.

dbru I'd reach out to them again and see if they'll drop their 'out of towner' markup ... they seem to be really motivated.

Makes the F90 look so old. Like when the new M4 came out compared to the previous model. I like the new design language…

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i think its an odd scenario, where everyone is cramming into an m3 these days... the size and price point is better and its what an m5 was many years ago but w xdrive... so these things just wont sell like the peior gen unless someone wants a heavy luxurious tank which is what most performance car buyers dont want

100% true.

I was speaking with my SA, who i've had a great and very upfront relationship for the past 10 years (he's been at the same dealership for 15 years now) and he pretty much told me exactly what you mention above.

He stated pretty much that *everyone* wants an M3 right now based on price point and options, to the point that there is (according to him) a 1 year waitlist to get into one. When I inquired about the M5, he basically said "Demand is nowhere near the same....you're looking at just a few months."

And i'm one of those buyers now that want that performance-minded heavy luxurious tank

[TrecNY]

Originally Posted by dbru

At this point I'm just gonna stick with my order that's waiting for a vessel to ship here. I really like the carbon black, black wheels and interior look. That diffusor when it's not paired with black throws me off.

Does anyone know if they offer rebates in Dec and I haven't taken possession of the car would I still qualify?

If pricing improves (interest rates, rebates, incentives, etc) you should be able to qualify for them. Every BMW I've ordered, they lock me into what is available at that moment and then always received any pricing improvements for the better when signing the paperwork. Deal is not done until you agree to the terms on final paperwork.