[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by geddylee

I can afford it and I think it sucks

[Old-Vectors]

I’m sorry but there’s no way that BMW would ever let him put it on a track they are not ready for that type of scrutiny.

[Old-Vectors]

Originally Posted by geddylee

I can afford it and I think it sucks

Ooof Tough pill. But well said.

[GOLFFRR]

great review. good to see he is digging it

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Really the only review that matters. I'm curious to see his take after more track time and time to digest.

Bmw has the potential for a very proper M5 with tweaks and hopefully they address them all over the cars lifestyle. A betting man says bmw needs and should launch a comp based upon this review.

I bet the tires are the culprit and bmw knows it lol.

Too bad the new spec Michelin Pilot Sport S5’s weren’t ready for mass production in time. Some do have them though.

[wesleyan92]

I will buy the M5 in 2026 when my M8 GC lease is up. Till then, I have ZERO desire to get this car.

This coming from a person who wanted to get into every new generation / LCI M5, Day 1, since 2016 (when I was able to start affording one).

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by wesleyan92

I will buy the M5 in 2026 when my M8 GC lease is up. Till then, I have ZERO desire to get this car.

This coming from a person who wanted to get into every new generation / LCI M5, Day 1, since 2016 (when I was able to start affording one).

I recommend go drive one if you did not
It does not feel 5300 lbs it feels as heavy as my old m8 around 4500
I was surprised when I drove it

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

I recommend go drive one if you did not
It does not feel 5300 lbs it feels as heavy as my old m8 around 4500
I was surprised when I drove it

I am sorry, but that is not the case. I drove the M5 a lot in Germany (I am in back in Brazil now). I get that there were winter tyres, and winter conditions, but for the sake of curiosity I also managed to secure and rent a S63 AMG E-Performance and a F90 M5, and the M5 G90 had less grip than both (especially the F90 M5).

The G90 M5 in the same conditions with the same driver as the F90, will always take longer to brake, and feel heavier (more understeer, the steering starts to wash out and stop communicating before), it does feel mid corner bumps much more. It also does not rotate beautifully under trailbraking like the F90. In fact it also feels a lot less RWD biased. The steering feel is less present too (in fact the whole chassis is a lot more insulated). The F90 M5, will run rings around twisty or track on the G90. BMW M still managed to make it handle pretty well, and it does feel exciting when cornering. It still has mind boggling grip for its weight, and it does turn in very well (in fact better than the F90 due to the rear steer). Traction is also superior to the F90 on the way out of corners (probably the weight, plus newer traction control tech).

Is it a bad drive? Nope, but nowhere near as good as the F90 M5, if you go to the extreme limit. It still is very capable, very fast, still feels exciting, and it still handles miles and miles better than a standard 5er, and it will be able to keep up with sportcars in the twisties (and even the F90 probably).

What impressed me the most to be honest (given I had a S63 AMG E-Performance side by side) was the powertrain integration. The electric power comes in so seamlessly, so does the ICE engine. And there is no delay (for gearbox to kick down, turbos to spool), its f... you speed. You put your foot down and it just goes.

In the sporty side of the equation the powertrain is what really shines. I loved it. BMW really learned how to integrate both seamlessly, without none of the jerkiness and hesitancy you get in the AMGs.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I am sorry, but that is not the case. I drove the M5 a lot in Germany (I am in back in Brazil now). I get that there were winter tyres, and winter conditions, but for the sake of curiosity I also managed to secure and rent a S63 AMG E-Performance and a F90 M5, and the M5 G90 had less grip than both (especially the F90 M5).

The G90 M5 in the same conditions with the same driver as the F90, will always take longer to brake, and feel heavier (more understeer, the steering starts to wash out and stop communicating before), it does feel mid corner bumps much more. It also does not rotate beautifully under trailbraking like the F90. In fact it also feels a lot less RWD biased. The steering feel is less present too (in fact the whole chassis is a lot more insulated). The F90 M5, will run rings around twisty or track on the G90.

Is it a bad drive? Nope, but nowhere near as good as the F90 M5, if you go to the extreme limit. It still is very capable, very fast, still feels exciting, and it still handles miles and miles better than a standard 5er.

What impressed me the most to be honest (given I had a S63 AMG E-Performance side by side) was the powertrain integration. The electric power comes in so seamlessly, so does the ICE engine. And there is no delay (for gearbox to kick down, turbos to spool), its f... you speed. You put your foot down and it just goes.

were they all on the same tires or not... if not then the comparison is worthless, both because of winter tires and conditions in general but also being on different winter tires specifically

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

were they all on the same tires or not... if not then the comparison is worthless, both because of winter tires and conditions in general but also being on different winter tires specifically

The G90 was on Hankooks so was the S63 AMG E-Performance. The F90 was on PZeros.

But the tyres wouldn't make up the difference. The F90 M5 does handle significantly better due to the weight.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

The G90 was on Hankooks so was the S63 AMG E-Performance. The F90 was on PZeros.

But the tyres wouldn't make up the difference. The F90 M5 does handle significantly better due to the weight.

Michelins are well known to effectively reduce curb weight feel by 800-1000 pounds.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

The G90 was on Hankooks so was the S63 AMG E-Performance. The F90 was on PZeros.

But the tyres wouldn't make up the difference. The F90 M5 does handle significantly better due to the weight.

so all 3 were winter tires, correct...? and weight doesn't matter that much dude the porsche panamera turbo S weighs the same as the G90 and handles better then all your examples.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Michelins are well known to effectively reduce curb weight feel by 800-1000 pounds.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

Too bad the new spec Michelin Pilot Sport S5’s weren’t ready for mass production in time. Some do have them though.

Agree, I think folks opinion on how it drives will change once more long term reviews are done in warmer months on proper tires, on production cars.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Old-Vectors

I’m sorry but there’s no way that BMW would ever let him put it on a track they are not ready for that type of scrutiny.

I’m guessing it was more about tires, weather, and/or insurance

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by ASAP

1) bmw didnt let him drive it on a track... i wonder why lol

2) called it an m7

3) not as dynamic as previous gen

4) awesome dd... shouldnt be called an m5


i mean...

I think this will change with the Michelins

I think BMW knows the Hankooks sucks but production and supplier availability isn't something they control with just in time delivery. No body has track time beyond the protype drives in the fall on michelins.

Anyone that races cars knows tires can change a vehicles dynamics quite a bit, especially if from day zero a certain spec was designed for the car, never mind cooler temps.


I'm curious to see the long term reviews and summertime reviews. I think the problem the current M5 has its people recall the end point of the F90 that was refined to end and ended with the CS.

Big shoes to fill, HOPEFULLY BMW responds to the feedback

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

I recommend go drive one if you did not
It does not feel 5300 lbs it feels as heavy as my old m8 around 4500
I was surprised when I drove it

Agree I have driven it also and doesn't feel like 5300 lbs.

But like anyhting you can't deny gravity in certain areas.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I think this will change with the Michelins

I think BMW knows the Hankooks sucks but production and supplier availability isn't something they control with just in time delivery. No body has track time beyond the protype drives in the fall on michelins.

Anyone that races cars knows tires can change a vehicles dynamics quite a bit, especially if from day zero a certain spec was designed for the car, never mind cooler temps.


I'm curious to see the long term reviews and summertime reviews. I think the problem the current M5 has its people recall the end point of the F90 that was refined to end and ended with the CS.

Big shoes to fill, HOPEFULLY BMW responds to the feedback

i agree tires change materially how a car handles... that being said, they can't make 1200 lbs go away...

what is odd... is BMW not giving any track time nor finding a set of even PS4s which are readily available to let a key journalist drive the car... he is very well respected and can swing things positively very quickly if he likes the dynamics...

i'll also add... its a very poor idea to release a performance sedan in the middle of the winter lol where universally its cold and temps are low... that being said... marketing these days along w getting a product as quickly out as possible takes precedence over data these days... they did this w the G80 as well if you remember

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i agree tires change materially how a car handles... that being said, they can't make 1200 lbs go away...

what is odd... is BMW not giving any track time nor finding a set of even PS4s which are readily available to let a key journalist drive the car... he is very well respected and can swing things positively very quickly if he likes the dynamics...

i'll also add... its a very poor idea to release a performance sedan in the middle of the winter lol where universally its cold and temps are low... that being said... marketing these days along w getting a product as quickly out as possible takes precedence over data these days... they did this w the G80 as well if you remember

Agree fully, 1200lbs is 1200lbs but suspension ability now vs was it was 5 or 10 years ago is different.

I believe the M5 was designed with PS5 star tires from day zero. So yeah, weird they don't have them yet but that's a Michelin issue. Very few PS5s in general are floating around. Which of they make 10 million tires a year to bang out 5k for bmw to launch is a drop in bucket.

Not sure if there is a PS4 that fits the M5 OEM rims.

Agree, they would of been better to wait until the spring of 25 but again, production is production. I would be curious to see how may delays this car has had, let alone any delayed options.

They should have skipped the 25 and went straight to the 26 in March

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

so all 3 were winter tires, correct...? and weight doesn't matter that much dude the porsche panamera turbo S weighs the same as the G90 and handles better then all your examples.

Weight matters. Oh hell it matters.

The Panamera Turbo E-Hybrid is not a better handling car than the F90. I am sorry, it just isn't. It may have a better lap time on the Nurburgring, as BMW never bothered to take the car with agressive rubbers and a balls to the wall manufacturer driver to go full out for the quickest possible lap time.

The Panamera and S63 AMG have a wider range of assistances and chassis gyzmos that the G90 does not. So the G90 will never handle like them.

This boggled my mind, but the S63 AMG E Performance handles and feels a lot more sporty than the G90 M5. On the other hand, its way too stiff for a S Class.

[cfm56d7b]

Originally Posted by masd79

Nice review, I think the fact he says he likes it a lot and it’s growing on him pretty much sums it up.

In full agreement.

[E92Bean]

I never really understood the hate for the m5. I thought it’s really supposed to be the big, high hp sport luxury sedan vs the m3. Not sure what people expected.