[bdkevoIX]

depends on what you're looking for and what matters most to you.

For me, I don't give a damn about how I am perceived by others or the interior. The only thing I care about is how fun the car is to drive. It would be nice to have both fit/finish + power/handling such as 997tt or gt3 rs. But since I'm 26 and broke, that won't happen anytime soon.

lexus, infinity just won't cut it for me..

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by EpicE92

I don't know why some people are bashing him for this thread... Its actually a very common type debate/ decision. For instance , right now i am deciding on whether i want 335i, mustang gt, evo, wrx, etc. Since i can only afford one i have decided to go with 335i. Because its an overall very nice daily driver. It has potential to be reasonably fast. Has a very large aftermarket, at pretty affordable prices. And you don't have to sacrifice things like build quality, fit and finish, interior etc. But if i was buying a car PURELY on the fun factor id go for an EVO hands down.

You had to decide between all those and chose the most expensive car, oh the compromises you've had to make.

You may think that you're getting the best built car of the bunch, but just wait until your car starts rattling like a baby toy after one month. You might think differently.

Stick around for a while, check out some of Forge's other threads, then see if you're so willing to jump to his defense. Also, no one is bashing anyone on this thread (yet). If you think this is bashing, you haven't seen nothin' yet.

[xxForgedxx]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

depends on what you're looking for and what matters most to you.

For me, I don't give a damn about how I am perceived by others or the interior. The only thing I care about is how fun the car is to drive. It would be nice to have both fit/finish + power/handling such as 997tt or gt3 rs. But since I'm 26 and broke, that won't happen anytime soon.

lexus, infinity just won't cut it for me..

Right, I know some people who ignore most of what THEY like to satisfy the opinion and thoughts of there peers who more often than not don't know shit about cars. The financial district for example... No one dares to buy something loud, mean or raw because of how someone ELSE who is ignorant to vehicles feels. Not a smart way to spend your money if you ask me and a huge red flag that someones insecure.

[E92AXM]

Depends on what fits your lifestyle everyday...

[GreenThree]

Having previously owned a B7 a4. The interior fit and finish is really night and day compared to the bimmers interior. For me, the 328 is the best all around package. Not a rocket, but not an econobox, and was willing to trade some fit and finish for engine quality, handling and overall driving experience.

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

Right, I know some people who ignore most of what THEY like to satisfy the opinion and thoughts of there peers who more often than not don't know shit about cars. The financial district for example... No one dares to buy something loud, mean or raw because of how someone ELSE who is ignorant to vehicles feels. Not a smart way to spend your money if you ask me and a huge red flag that someones insecure.

Some use their cars to represent their social status.
Car means different things to different people.
It could be
1. transportation
2. social status representation
3. show off to my buddies who know NOTHING about cars
4. show off to girls who know NOTHING about cars
or
5. sit in the driver's pit and buy the one that satisfies you most

[miktrebla09]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

Right, I know some people who ignore most of what THEY like to satisfy the opinion and thoughts of there peers who more often than not don't know shit about cars. The financial district for example... No one dares to buy something loud, mean or raw because of how someone ELSE who is ignorant to vehicles feels. Not a smart way to spend your money if you ask me and a huge red flag that someones insecure.

hmm...that's funny I work in a "financial district' and I do see a lot of nice cars, many of those are owned by folks that I know.

Sure, these people have money, and sure, they like loud, flashy cars, but in no way does it mean they're "insecure." They have large amounts of cash and want to buy something that symbolizes their financial success. There's nothing wrong with people spending money on things they desire, as long as it's a financially viable purchase.

Also, most of my friends are car fanatics.

If anything, those who make generalization of such people and judge them accordingly are the ones who are insecure.

[xxForgedxx]

Originally Posted by miktrebla09

hmm...that's funny I work in a "financial district' and I do see a lot of nice cars, many of those are owned by folks that I know.

Sure, these people have money, and sure, they like loud, flashy cars, but in no way does it mean they're "insecure." They have large amounts of cash and want to buy something that symbolizes their financial success. There's nothing wrong with people spending money on things they desire, as long as it's a financially viable purchase.

Also, most of my friends are car fanatics.

If anything, those who make generalization of such people and judge them accordingly are the ones who are insecure.

You see nice cars such as Porsches, BMW's, Exotics and other German/Italian whatevers. Not EVO's and STi's with big WINGS or big turbo FWD cars or crazy R32's. You probably see close to stock, "classy and refined" performance. There are plenty of people who would like to own one of those cars, but don't simply for the fact that a WING, or catless/resless exhaust with an open waste gate gets them an unprofessional label. I'm not talking about guys with AMG's, M's and S's... those are professional performance.

[miktrebla09]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

You see nice cars such as Porsches, BMW's, Exotics and other German/Italian whatevers. Not EVO's and STi's with big WINGS or big turbo FWD cars or crazy R32's. You probably see close to stock, "classy and refined" performance. There are plenty of people who would like to own one of those cars, but don't simply for the fact that a WING, or catless/resless exhaust with an open waste gate gets them an unprofessional label. I'm not talking about guys with AMG's, M's and S's... those are professional performance.

Ok, what I don't understand are the following presuppositions off which you're basing your argument (and tell me if I'm wrong here):

1. it seems like you're saying people who appreciate true performance must appreciate and buy cars with "WING[s], or catless/resless exhaust with an open waste gate " such as the Evo, STI and the like. Those who do not are afraid of peer judgement and ridicule and are insecure.

2. of the people in the financial industry who make bank, very few have knowledge of cars and buy only what they feel compelled to buy from peer pressure - red flagging insecurity

3. people (with teh means) who spend their own money on expensive cars are making a mistake based on the 2 reasons above.

I understand you're trying to promote conversation in this thread, but making brash generalizations like this leads me to believe that it may not be these bankers you've generalized with the insecurity issues.


Anyway, back on topic. This thread reminds me of simplistic production possiblity frontiers in economics, whereby there are two products an economy can produce, the limiting factor being money (amongst many other things). An economy can produce one thing at the expense of the other. It's a simple model to comprehend, but in reality there are many other factors, variables, and products that affect a decision such as this.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by miktrebla09

Anyway, back on topic. This thread reminds me of simplistic production possiblity frontiers in economics, whereby there are two products an economy can produce, the limiting factor being money (amongst many other things). An economy can produce one thing at the expense of the other. It's a simple model to comprehend, but in reality there are many other factors, variables, and products that affect a decision such as this.

Bingo. This is exactly what I was trying to say, but I've only had one macro and one microeconomics course, both of which I didn't like too much, and so I can't make it sound nearly as smart.

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Bingo. This is exactly what I was trying to say, but I've only had one macro and one microeconomics course, both of which I didn't like too much, and so I can't make it sound nearly as smart.

Plus, you're not all that smart.

I'm here to help.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by methodtim

Plus, you're not all that smart.

I'm here to help.

Since you're so smart, maybe you could tell me how long infraction points last, and how many you can accrue before being in serious trouble?

(Like no, seriously, I need to know.)

[BK]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Since you're so smart, maybe you could tell me how long infraction points last, and how many you can accrue before being in serious trouble?

(Like no, seriously, I need to know.)

If you're serious, Google it. Depends on the state.

Oh, and I'm just here to give another slap to the OP for the question.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by BK

If you're serious, Google it. Depends on the state.

Oh, and I'm just here to give another slap to the OP for the question.

I meant on the site.

I tried to submit a rebuttal and objection, but I was denied due process, due to the fact that "Moderator" has a full mailbox. I would like to exercise my option to be judged by a jury of my peers.

[BK]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I meant on the site.

I tried to submit a rebuttal and objection, but I was denied due process, due to the fact that "Moderator" has a full mailbox. I would like to exercise my option to be judged by a jury of my peers.

I know nothing of these "infraction points" you guys get. I'd try PM-ing another mod. That said, it ain't a democracy, and no one's entitled to DP here.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by BK

I know nothing of these "infraction points" you guys get. I'd try PM-ing another mod. That said, it ain't a democracy, and no one's entitled to DP here.

Yes I realize that.

[xxForgedxx]

[QUOTE=miktrebla09;4792980]Ok, what I don't understand are the following presuppositions off which you're basing your argument (and tell me if I'm wrong here):

1. it seems like you're saying people who appreciate true performance must appreciate and buy cars with "WING[s], or catless/resless exhaust with an open waste gate " such as the Evo, STI and the like. Those who do not are afraid of peer judgement and ridicule and are insecure.

I am saying there are people who may be more serious performance enthusiasts than there required image will allow and that sucks.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

Ok, what I don't understand are the following presuppositions off which you're basing your argument (and tell me if I'm wrong here):

1. it seems like you're saying people who appreciate true performance must appreciate and buy cars with "WING[s], or catless/resless exhaust with an open waste gate " such as the Evo, STI and the like. Those who do not are afraid of peer judgement and ridicule and are insecure.

I am saying there are people who may be more serious performance enthusiasts than there required image will allow and that sucks.

Why? We all make sacrifices. If your job is one that requires you to keep a certain image, it's all part of the game....

[xxForgedxx]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Why? We all make sacrifices. If your job is one that requires you to keep a certain image, it's all part of the game....

No job requires that you to drive this or that. If your car speaks louder than how well you do your job then maybe you aren't that good and or should work in another field.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

No job requires that you to drive this or that. If your car speaks louder than how well you do your job then maybe you aren't that good and or should work in another field.

You're right. No job field really requires that you drive "this or that." You still have the freedom to choose and drive whatever the hell you want. But if you know that people in your field will prejudge you accordingly, then you are accepting that with your purchase.

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by miktrebla09

I understand you're trying to promote conversation in this thread, but making brash generalizations like this leads me to believe that it may not be these bankers you've generalized with the insecurity issues.

This is the problem with the OP's threads. As in the one where he said people are "idiots" to buy new cars over used cars. He can't seem to ask a question and promote a dialogue but instead prefers to make unrealistic generalizations that only create ire and/or confusion. So, I gather he's never asking an actual question but only stating his world view under the guise of a question.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by stickypaws

This is the problem with the OP's threads. As in the one where he said people are "idiots" to buy new cars over used cars. He can't seem to ask a question and promote a dialogue but instead prefers to make unrealistic generalizations that only create ire and/or confusion. So, I gather he's never asking an actual question but only stating his world view under the guise of a question.

I'm inclined to agree.