[Nate4641]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Guys handguns aren't just protected by the constitution for lawful purposes. They are also authorized for use against the government when the government becomes tyrannical.

So for instance if some pig came after me for driving my M5 at the kind of speeds it is engineered for, or if the IRS came after me with an unreasonable tax increase, I could take arms and overthrow the US government for that kind of tyranny. In fact it was done once before in the case of a tax increase - see 1776!

I wonder at what level of tax increase would we be justified to shoot the government.

Did you seriously just compare a tyrannical government taking away freedoms and your income with a police officer enforcing a traffic law? I hope I read that wrong that you are saying you would be justified to pull a firearm on a police officer for attempting to cite you for exceeding the speed limit......

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Nate4641

Did you seriously just compare a tyrannical government taking away freedoms and your income with a police officer enforcing a traffic law? I hope I read that wrong that you are saying you would be justified to pull a firearm on a police officer for attempting to cite you for exceeding the speed limit......

I guess its true that Germans have no sense of humor.

[Nate4641]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

I guess its true that Germans have no sense of humor.

I'm American, stationed in Germany.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Nate4641

I'm American, stationed in Germany.

Combining Americans' penchant for taking themselves too seriously with Germans inability to understand irony.

[88Brimble]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

Have you been to either coast?

1 hour drive and you will be in suburbia, if not a bigger city in some directions.

My bad, I meant in Texas.

[Nate4641]

Sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.....

Regardless, I've tried watching a couple of these videos about this and I find myself getting upset with both sides of the gun control issue.

The anti-gun crowd for the most part seems to have no experience with firearms and often shows they dont know what they are talking about when they say they want to ban something that to them is evil.

On the other hand, you have these pro-gun nutjobs that think the government is out to get everyone and after they forcibly take away our guns they're just going to kill everyone... There was a link on that infowars video to another video where that is what the guys says. They say that their right to gun ownership is in order to protect against a tyrannical government, yet how many of them would actually use their weapons against another human?

What upsets me is that there is a big part of gun ownership that seems to be overlooked by both sides. I don't feel the need to own firearms to keep the government from taking away my rights (which most people have done nothing to earn) nor do I have such paranoia that i feel i must be armed at all times to stay safe, I dont even have an interest in hunting. I just like going to the range and shooting, I'm a recreational shooter. I have fun trying to hit a target with a projectile. It is a sport to me just as golf is to others. When I go shooting it is usually about spending time with friends who share the common interest and a friendly competition to who can perform better. W

So what upsets me about these gun control advocates is not that they want to take away my ability to protect myself, but they don't seem to care that a responsible gun owner enjoys the recreation of target shooting. At the same time, I am blindly thrown into the same crowd as the ones who say "the government is out to get us mannnnn", and "its right in front of you, just look at all these general places" without citing an actual event.

In Maryland the 2 biggest talked about items in the election were same sex marriage and allowing more gambling in the state. What I realized then more than before is that Americans just love to kill the fun of anyone who doesn't think exactly like them. So fucking what if 2 people who have the same genitals want to get married?! And people are going to gamble anyways why not make some profit for your state? Why are these things and gun control even up for debate. IF you take away the guns, guns will still exists and people will still be murdered. It happens, it sucks, its part of life in a big populated country filled with people who have different opinions and a shitty education system. Stop trying to kill someone else's good time.

[Low Gravity]

Georgia is pretty nice

[DieselDiner]

Originally Posted by Nate4641

I don't feel the need to own firearms to keep the government from taking away my rights (which most people have done nothing to earn)

I'm curious - how do people "earn" their rights in the U.S.?

[Nate4641]

Originally Posted by DieselDiner

I'm curious - how do people "earn" their rights in the U.S.?

Work, contribute to society and the progression of the human race. Most may have been the wrong word, but there is an issue in this country with an entitlement complex. Look at some of the occupy Wall St. shit. A bunch of college kids who were upset that a group of people have more money than they do acting like a 2yr old who isn't getting the same toy as another kid in the store. Or people who abuse the welfare system and use food stamps to buy cigaretts and booze. Criminals who take advantage and abuse their citizenship and then ruin what could have been a good thing for everyone else.

[kingofthedemo]

I like this! Marine sends Senator Dianne Feinstein, a letter.

Original link: http://www.businessinsider.com/marin...ireport-2013-1

The letter follows Joshua's posting to CNN's iReport:

''Senator Dianne Feinstein,
I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government's right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma'am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.
I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.
I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.


Respectfully Submitted,
Joshua Boston
Cpl, United States Marine Corps
2004-2012''


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/marin...#ixzz2GvEum7qY

[DieselDiner]

Originally Posted by Nate4641

Work, contribute to society and the progression of the human race. Most may have been the wrong word, but there is an issue in this country with an entitlement complex. Look at some of the occupy Wall St. shit. A bunch of college kids who were upset that a group of people have more money than they do acting like a 2yr old who isn't getting the same toy as another kid in the store. Or people who abuse the welfare system and use food stamps to buy cigaretts and booze. Criminals who take advantage and abuse their citizenship and then ruin what could have been a good thing for everyone else.

I don't disagree with your sentiments necessarily, but, to my point, the Founders of our country didn't believe that our rights are "earned". To quote the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

One of the core principles of our country is those unalienable rights. There's simply nothing there regarding earning those rights.

On the other hand, there's also nothing there regarding guaranteed outcomes, which (I think) comes close to what you are describing. The "entitlement complex", as you named it, is the fault of a government and a people who allow it to grow and fester. It's also a universal problem that is not unique to the U.S..

[Fox128i]

Originally Posted by DieselDiner

The "entitlement complex", as you named it, is the fault of a government and a people who allow it to grow and fester. It's also a universal problem that is not unique to the U.S..

Is so agree with this.

[Hawkeye]

Nate - you and I agree on a lot of stuff it seems.

And stealth... 99% of the world does not think "British humor" is actually funny. Most of it is quite boring IMO, good try though.

[MisterSkiMask]

I just wrote to my congressman for the first time in my life.

[kingofthedemo]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

I just wrote to my congressman for the first time in my life.

I'm going to do the same! We all should!

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by kingofthedemo

I'm going to do the same! We all should!

agreed

use this if you need it

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

[kingofthedemo]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

agreed

use this if you need it

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

Thank you that really makes it easy!

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

agreed

use this if you need it

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

Done!

[kingofthedemo]

Originally Posted by MP0WER

Done!

Great, just sent my email as well, everyone please send a short message to your state representative asking him to oppose this bill, it doesn't take much time!

[kingofthedemo]

Bloomberg advising White House on gun legislation

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/b...-politics.html

[solefald]

3 weeks. It's been 3 fucking weeks since my shotguns were put on delay by fucking CA DOJ. I bought 2 O/U's a week before this shooting in CT.

It is impossible to get anyone at DOJ to tell me anything. Today I was told "call back in 2-3 weeks". The gun shop spoke to DOJ and they were told that delays are "indefinite". INDEFINITE. I spent $3,000 on these goddamn shotguns!

DOJ tells me that "thousands" are on delay, but for some strange reason I am seeing absolutely no forums posts about it. I would assume that i "thousands" were put on delay, people would be complaining all over the place....

[kingofthedemo]