BMW and Pininfarina to Debut V12 Gran Lusso Coupe at Concorso d’Eleganza Villa d’Este

smashhell · 05-14-2013, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Faust

Even though I'm pretty excited to see this I think it will be nothing more than a 6-Series coupe with a V12 engine and new styling inside out. No new platform, no new engine, no new model(as in previewing a new model), no new styling direction. Just a Pininfarina design exercise on a 6-series.

Hope I'm wrong though.

And how is this bad?

Gjm127 · 05-14-2013, 11:36 PM

If it's not production, who the hell cares? Just like that M1 crap they pulled on us.

M5007 · 05-14-2013, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nemex12

something interesting at last. hopefully they come up with something cool that doesn't disappoint as pinifarina latest models left a lot to be desired

Correct me if I am wrong. But didn't they design a few Ferraris and other production models?

sonicbimmer19 · 05-15-2013, 12:22 AM

This is really interesting. The tease pic only shows 2 doors and it is a coupe and not a roadster.
6 series just came out so I highly doubt this is 6 series replacement or a V12 version of 6 series.
My bet is on this is the new Concept CS with just 2 doors? Either way, it will probably be called 8 series and compete with Mercedes CL, etc.

sonicbimmer19 · 05-15-2013, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MrClean335i

The 4 series is going to compete against the E class Coupe . The 6 series wont go downmarket it has a good place against the Maserati GT, Jaguar XK , SL550 and Vantage.

A new 8 series would be aimed directly at the Mercedes CL, DB9, Bentley GT and upcoming AUDI A9.

+1. This is exactly how I see it, too.

strati1 · 05-15-2013, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sonicbimmer19

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Originally Posted by MrClean335i

The 4 series is going to compete against the E class Coupe . The 6 series wont go downmarket it has a good place against the Maserati GT, Jaguar XK , SL550 and Vantage.

A new 8 series would be aimed directly at the Mercedes CL, DB9, Bentley GT and upcoming AUDI A9.

+1. This is exactly how I see it, too.

From a marketing perspective this is spot on....IF it ever makes production

bimmerjph · 05-15-2013, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MrClean335i

The 4 series is going to compete against the E class Coupe . The 6 series wont go downmarket it has a good place against the Maserati GT, Jaguar XK , SL550 and Vantage.

A new 8 series would be aimed directly at the Mercedes CL, DB9, Bentley GT and upcoming AUDI A9.

Pretty sure the 4 series is going to compete with the c class coupe. That is unless the 3er (which the 4er is a two door version of) has become an e class competitor overnight.

Jai 302 · 05-15-2013, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Pretty sure the 4 series is going to compete with the c class coupe. That is unless the 3er (which the 4er is a two door version of) has become an e class competitor overnight.

You do know that the e-class "coupe" is a rebranded CLK-class based on the c-class right? It's about as different to the c-class as the A5 is to the A4. The only real e-class coupe based on the e-class sedan is the CLS class. The 6er competes with the CLS, SL and Jag XK, not the e-class coupe.

zamboni · 05-15-2013, 02:18 AM

Can't they use in house engineer to come up with design instead of hiring an outside firm to do so?

Jay-K · 05-15-2013, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by touringfanatic

Call it 8-series!

+1, lets make something for CL65.

Leo88 · 05-15-2013, 04:17 AM

I'm going to see it in person the next week.

Btw it won't be a production car, it's obviously an one-off like the Zagato Coupe/roadster

Matski · 05-15-2013, 07:20 AM

It'll be a rebodied 6-er, with styling by PF, it won't go into production, and it will split opinions as to whether its gorgeous, or hideous... same as the Zagato Z4.

I'm looking forward to it, but it's always frustrating when nothing comes of these concepts.

mesh77 · 05-15-2013, 08:45 AM

Which V12 will they use? Has BMW been working on one?

MCHL · 05-15-2013, 08:59 AM

when the germans and italians work together, everything will be magical...
especially BMW & Pininfarina...

man! this just make me so excited...

OverDriven · 05-15-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by silentassasin

Correct me if I am wrong. But didn't they design a few Ferraris and other production models?

Pininfarina designed all recent Ferraris including the 430, 458, 599, California, FF and F12. They are also responsible for icons like the F40 and Enzo. That said, they are also responsible for some incredibly ugly econoboxes like the Hyundai Matrix and the Chery A3. The Pinininfarina name does not guarantee something beautiful, but they are capable.

Ash83 · 05-15-2013, 10:31 AM

A BMW designed by Pininfarina!!!! Holly MOOLLY Please make this happen..

Cars should be engineered and built by Germans and designed by Italians (Italians are not allowed to touch anything in the assembly line

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Ash83 · 05-15-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OverDriven

Pininfarina designed all recent Ferraris including the 430, 458, 599, California, FF and F12. They are also responsible for icons like the F40 and Enzo. That said, they are also responsible for some incredibly ugly econoboxes like the Hyundai Matrix and the Chery A3. The Pinininfarina name does not guarantee something beautiful, but they are capable.

BMW will make sure it is not like Hyundai .

PUG-N-BEEM GUY · 05-15-2013, 10:52 AM

OOOOOOH anything from designer pininfarina is incredible! From the preliminary sketches looks like it's going to be an incredible design and work of art!

JasonCSU · 05-15-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zamboni

Can't they use in house engineer to come up with design instead of hiring an outside firm to do so?

They could, but the whole point of this exercise is to apply two different design methodologies into one just like with the previous Zagato Coupe.

Matski · 05-15-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mesh77

Which V12 will they use? Has BMW been working on one?

The N74 544hp Twin Turbo V12 from the current 760 would be the obvious choice... or maybe the 623hp V12 that they put in the Rolls Royce Wraith.

Faust · 05-15-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by smashhell

And how is this bad?

Good question.

I don't know, I guess it registers under the numerous "special editions" that BMW is spawning lately for every series. If it turns like something really awesome I would like to see it produced but preferably I would want this to be a new design, if - as some have said - this could be something akin an 8-series successor then it would HAVE to be a new design not just a restyled 6-series with a V12.

clbmw · 05-15-2013, 01:41 PM

Looks like it'll be lovely ...

What's the purpose? The Zegato was just a one off am I right?

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