[quagmire]

Originally Posted by lsmkr01

Perfectly worded.

So if there is another shooting or we go to war, or another stereotype associated with the right, can I say fucking conservatives? Or should we actually try to be constructive in dealing with the issue at hand without being partisan and trying to divide this country further?

[Mr Tonka]

my wife busted out my HS yearbook because she meet a prospective client who graduated the same year as me. in the front of the book they profiled some people and their hobbies. There is a FULL page profile on a kid who collected knifes. In the center of the page was a picture of this kid sitting on a sofa that was covered with blades and he'd duel wielding a few as well.

Not a chance in hell this would make it into a year book these days.

[lsmkr01]

Originally Posted by quagmire

So if there is another shooting or we go to war, or another stereotype associated with the right, can I say fucking conservatives? Or should we actually try to be constructive in dealing with the issue at hand without being partisan and trying to divide this country further?

We are talking about this issue in particular so stay on topic. Typical liberal BS is exactly what you just said. A mile wide and an inch deep. The line in the sand has been drawn many years ago and if you still believe in this bipartisan crap then go ahead. The differences between the two sides on the majority of topics is black and white. You can not have both at the same time. Believe it or not all people where not meant to get along. Examples of this are readily available from the beginning of time to present day. The best way to live cohesively is to not force each others personal ideals on others. This I agree both sides need to work on.

If I want to pray, shoot legally, or drive a car that gets 10 mpg its my choice
If you want to be gay and marry, smoke weed (responsibly), make your house green and drive an electric car its your choice.

This particular issue is about those in power in gov't trying to tell people how to live. That's what many people that can and do take care of themselves and their families don't care.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by lsmkr01

We are talking about this issue in particular so stay on topic. Typical liberal BS is exactly what you just said. A mile wide and an inch deep. The line in the sand has been drawn many years ago and if you still believe in this bipartisan crap then go ahead. The differences between the two sides on the majority of topics is black and white. You can not have both at the same time. Believe it or not all people where not meant to get along. Examples of this are readily available from the beginning of time to present day. The best way to live cohesively is to not force each others personal ideals on others. This I agree both sides need to work on.

If I want to pray, shoot legally, or drive a car that gets 10 mpg its my choice
If you want to be gay and marry, smoke weed (responsibly), make your house green and drive an electric car its your choice.

This particular issue is about those in power in gov't trying to tell people how to live. That's what many people that can and do take care of themselves and their families don't care.

That's not going to happen because a small government is a personal ideal. You believe in small government and having the individuals take care for themselves and others think a government should be more active in taking care of its citizens( healthcare, SS, welfare, etc). No matter how the government operates, it's forcing ones ideals onto others who don't agree with it.

What needs to be done is find the middle ground because going to one extreme or to the other extreme never works. This country needs to strive for the middle. Not the far left or the far right. The right amount of government where citizens are taken care of, but are left alone to do their own thing.

I disagree with the schools actions in this case. Wearing the shirt was harmless. But, this isn't a left vs right situation. There have been cases of schools telling students who wore wristbands to show their support for issues favored by the left to take it off or else......

[lsmkr01]

Originally Posted by quagmire

That's not going to happen because a small government is a personal ideal. You believe in small government and having the individuals take care for themselves and others think a government should be more active in taking care of its citizens( healthcare, SS, welfare, etc). No matter how the government operates, it's forcing ones ideals onto others who don't agree with it.

What needs to be done is find the middle ground because going to one extreme or to the other extreme never works. This country needs to strive for the middle. Not the far left or the far right. The right amount of government where citizens are taken care of, but are left alone to do their own thing.

I disagree with the schools actions in this case. Wearing the shirt was harmless. But, this isn't a left vs right situation. There have been cases of schools telling students who wore wristbands to show their support for issues favored by the left to take it off or else......

I agree with everything you said but want to point something out about the highlighted portion. This is a dangerous statement and is a cancer to any productive society. I understand you meant it in the context of political issues but it is a concept that is being applied to way more (primarily by the left). A big race to the middle or striving for mediocrity to promote equality is damaging and not what this country was built on. People came here to MAKE a life for themselves and not just TAKE from others who have. Gov't does not produce any wealth...zero. Relying on gov't to take from others who are actually productive and give to those who are not creates dependents. The left likes this because dependents will always vote for them and voluntarily give up control of their daily lives.

This culture of "What can my country do for me" rather than "What can I do for my country" has dominated the liberal community with no regard for those that do not feel the same. Ironic how that was a famous Democrat who once said those words. Time changes all including the once moderate left who's distorted sense of entitlement has also given them the will to actively go out and take from others.

These little battles going on all over the country are more about control than anything else. Give it up now and you will not get it back. Myself and those that share a similar mind set will fight this battle to the end at every front.

[lsmkr01]

Originally Posted by quagmire

I disagree with the schools actions in this case. Wearing the shirt was harmless. But, this isn't a left vs right situation. There have been cases of schools telling students who wore wristbands to show their support for issues favored by the left to take it off or else......

This most certainly IS a left vs right. Its the same people responsible for this that also got the pledge of allegiance kick out of the class room! They are getting rid of free thinkers and forcing everyone to conform. You have to look at the big picture to see how all the little moves are tied together. Socialism is not created over night. Teaching our young generation to strive for equality (not all people are created equal), give up there rights that conflict with what others believe (arms, speech) and put all faith in gov't (because they supposedly know better than we the people) is a recipe any hobo off the street can follow.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by lsmkr01

This most certainly IS a left vs right. Its the same people responsible for this that also got the pledge of allegiance kick out of the class room! They are getting rid of free thinkers and forcing everyone to conform. You have to look at the big picture to see how all the little moves are tied together. Socialism is not created over night. Teaching our young generation to strive for equality (not all people are created equal), give up there rights that conflict with what others believe (arms, speech) and put all faith in gov't (because they supposedly know better than we the people) is a recipe any hobo off the street can follow.

The pledge of allegiance can be seen as getting rid of free thinkers and forcing everyone to conform. While many see it as simply being patriotic.

Though I don't remember it being kicked out of classrooms. We did it every day at my school( and my public school is in a very left leaning county/state). Though we weren't required to participate in it.

Equality being just because you may be black, I'm white doesn't mean I am better than you and you're inferior. We are all different and yes we are not equal in every single way when it comes to intelligence, abilities, etc. We are equal as human beings though. No matter race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. That is what we are trying to teach the younger generation.

Originally Posted by lsmkr01

I agree with everything you said but want to point something out about the highlighted portion. This is a dangerous statement and is a cancer to any productive society. I understand you meant it in the context of political issues but it is a concept that is being applied to way more (primarily by the left). A big race to the middle or striving for mediocrity to promote equality is damaging and not what this country was built on. People came here to MAKE a life for themselves and not just TAKE from others who have. Gov't does not produce any wealth...zero. Relying on gov't to take from others who are actually productive and give to those who are not creates dependents. The left likes this because dependents will always vote for them and voluntarily give up control of their daily lives.

This culture of "What can my country do for me" rather than "What can I do for my country" has dominated the liberal community with no regard for those that do not feel the same. Ironic how that was a famous Democrat who once said those words. Time changes all including the once moderate left who's distorted sense of entitlement has also given them the will to actively go out and take from others.

These little battles going on all over the country are more about control than anything else. Give it up now and you will not get it back. Myself and those that share a similar mind set will fight this battle to the end at every front.

I agree with what a lot of what you said.

Definitely on the sense of the battle of control. And it isn't about how much can government control us, but what aspects of our lives should they control( Dems being financial, etc and GOP being social). Because the only thing the Democrats and GOP can be bipartisan on is ways to control us( Patriot Act, the latest NSA leaks having a few republicans defending it, etc).

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

my wife busted out my HS yearbook because she meet a prospective client who graduated the same year as me. in the front of the book they profiled some people and their hobbies. There is a FULL page profile on a kid who collected knifes. In the center of the page was a picture of this kid sitting on a sofa that was covered with blades and he'd duel wielding a few as well.

Not a chance in hell this would make it into a year book these days.

The Charlie Brown border threw me for a loop. That kid has a nice collection though.

By the way guys, he wasn't charged for the shirt, but his behavior about it once police showed up. Why the police were even involved I'm not remotely sure but it seems like the school asked him to take it off multiple times and were refused. Maybe he was rude or threatening about it.

[Tonybest]

No one here has the full story as of yet.
One thing is for sure ... No way a kid goes to jail because he refuses to take off his shirt.

I refuse to side for either the school or the student without all the facts available.

[Bingobimmer]

Originally Posted by Tonybest

No one here has the full story as of yet.
One thing is for sure ... No way a kid goes to jail because he refuses to take off his shirt.

I refuse to side for either the school or the student without all the facts available.

He didn't get charged for wearing the shirt. He was charged with obstructing an officer because he wouldn't quit talking and "prevented the attending officer from doing his job". My problem is an officer being involved. This is a principal's office issue, not a courtroom issue. But that's just my opinion. I'm not trying to be pro-gun. The heart of the problem is the school's administration's incompetence by not handling the problem in house. They were so afraid of one kid's shirt being politically incorrect that they blew a simple dress code violation out of proportion.

[Tonybest]

Originally Posted by Bingobimmer

He didn't get charged for wearing the shirt. He was charged with obstructing an officer because he wouldn't quit talking and "prevented the attending officer from doing his job". My problem is an officer being involved. This is a principal's office issue, not a courtroom issue. But that's just my opinion. I'm not trying to be pro-gun. The heart of the problem is the school's administration's incompetence by not handling the problem in house. They were so afraid of one kid's shirt being politically incorrect that they blew a simple dress code violation out of proportion.

I agree, so in that case both parties are at fault. In life you need to learn and adjust to situations. The school made a wrong move. Its fault. The kid responded badly to that wrong move. His fault.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by Tonybest

I agree, so in that case both parties are at fault. In life you need to learn and adjust to situations. The school made a wrong move. Its fault. The kid responded badly to that wrong move. His fault.

But who are the adults here?

This isn't about guns, it's about an organization that they have a prejudice against.

If the shirt said 'Sierra club' or 'meat is murder' none of this would have happened.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by MidwestGolfBum

THIS! I helped coach a soccer team for a couple years but couldn't stand the "How come my little Johnny doesn't get to play as much as Mitch does?" bullshit. Johnny didn't get to play because he sucked, of course the parents didn't like to hear that so I was an asshole and was bad for the kids. You are either first or not good enough, playing state level soccer for years growing up as well as golfing in regional events now, second was never good enough. It's too damn bad that kids these days feel like they should be rewarded because they went out there and tried! So what, you didn't win, you don't get a damn cookie!

Well, when I was a kid, playing outside meant that I was going where ever I wanted in the town, granted, times were different now and I was taught that if an adult asked me to do something, it was done. The rules were, and I quote, "If you get in trouble, don't come home, if you're not home when we eat, you won't, and when you are asked to do something, it gets done." Ahh the good old days...

It is called we live in the cupcake generation, everyone gets a cupcake no matter what since everyone needs to feel good about themselves.

Honestly, some of the most successful people around were told they were not good enough or were an idiot growing up and what did they do turn around and show everyone they were in fact better than everyone else.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Maestro

It is called we live in the cupcake generation, everyone gets a cupcake no matter what since everyone needs to feel good about themselves.

Honestly, some of the most successful people around were told they were not good enough or were an idiot growing and what did that do turn around and show everyone they were in fact better than everyone else.

I wouldn't trade growing up when i did for growing up now. No matter the sweet gaming systems, smart phones, etc.... I was perfectly happy with my 85 supra, no cell phone, Atari, etc... It was awesome saying out until dark, doing what ever i wanted to. More than a few times we'd end up 30 miles from home racing to get back by dark!

I agree. If everyone grows up thinking they did an awesome job, what motivation will they have to do better? I've said it before, but it's this parenting mentality that leaves us with movie theater shootings. All through school they are told that they're doing great. Move out to college, not so easy, get in the real world, find out it's not fair. Gets pissed off, shoots a bunch of people.

[AndreyT]

Quite a few people here are obviously suffering from the "tunnel vision" syndrome, failing to perceive the big picture. This is what leads to improper understanding of the situation.

The boy was simply swept by a last wave of an abating storm. Allow me to elucidate.

The biggest problem USA was facing during the past few years was uncontrollable propagation of the mental disease known to the world as "Americanism of Cerebral Cortex" (ACC). Ironically, while the US regime have been purposely subjecting its population to ACC as means of breeding a society of organisms critically dependent on the regime for their survival, in the recent period in has rapidly become the primary problem threatening the survival of US regime itself. You see, the very existence of the USA is fundamentally based on and dependent on the extremely fragile balance between maintaining a horde or so called "Americans" - virtually illiterate, heavily brainwashed, constantly medicated and easily manipulable gray mass of primitive humans infected with ACC - who constitute the "bulk" of the regime's subordinates, and relatively small group of highly educated, skilled and healthy foreign professionals, cherry-picked and brought over from abroad.

A foreign professional typically "lasts" only for "1.5 generations". This is something you probably heard meany times but never understood. It is actually simple. What it means is that these professionals come over to USA at some mid-points of their productive professional lives and stay here for good (counting as "0.5 generation"). On top of that they typically heavily influence their children's upbringing to make sure that they grow up as normal, educated modern humans, still capable to provide effective professional service to the US economy, to the US science and, ultimately, to the US regime (counting as "1 generation"). Unfortunately, their children rarely inflict the same kind of influence on children of their own, which means that the grandchildren of the original professional typically degrade to the level of the aforementioned "Americans", i.e., speaking figuratively, completely useless "dead weight" that threatens to sink the ship that we call "USA".

As one would expect, this system is only feasible when it is kept in proper balance. The ratio between the "Americans" and normal people in USA was historically floating in a very tight range somewhere around 95% vs. 5%. A significant deviation in any direction can prove fatal for the regime. This balance is very sensitive to external factors, like economic crises, for one important example. And incidentally, this is exactly what we had an opportunity to observe in these past few years. The recent economic crisis resulted in significant shrinkage in foreign professional population of USA. The professional immigration was deeply negative for several years and still floats around zero level today. This heavily affected the aforementioned balance and triggered massive panic in the ruling circles of the US regime. Not being able to attract foreigners effectively, they usually deploy another popular "damage control" emergency measure, which is specifically directed at attempting to control the spread and magnitude of ACC. In other words, the regime is attempting to compensate for the shortage of educated foreigners by reducing the dumbification and easing the brainwashing of its own "locally grown" population members.

The effects of this process are not immediate of course, but they do appear eventually. The election of Obama was an undeniable indicator of a noticeable rise of IQ of the homegrown US population, especially compared to what kind of cesspool the world had the dubious please to observe here before that. Internationally, we also observe a massive reduction of support US regime provides to terrorists, friendly Nazist regimes, drug manufacturers and human traffickers. (Some observers claim that this is caused by a simple lack of money caused by the crisis, but there are signs that suggest this it is more than just that.) It is all now recovering, of course, going back to pre-crisis levels, but many of the original emergency procedures are still kept active.

Now, finally to the topic of the original post. No argument, a boy wearing NRA short to school is a slam-dunk symptom and a precursor of ACC. There's no doubt that the parents are sufferers of ACC and there's a good possibility that at this age they boy is already deeply affected by the disease as well, considering the heritage. The seemingly disproportional reaction of school authorities is most likely just a left-over emergency measure, deployed during the crisis and destined to control to distribution of the disease. The boy himself might (or might not be) curable, but other children in the same class or school can be protected to some degree. Personally, I don't believe it can be very efficient in controlling ACC, considering the abundance of other infection vectors, but the school has to do what it has to do.

So, don't worry. The crisis seems to be over. I'm sure the boy will be let go. Moreover, wait half a year (give or take) till things settle back into the comfortable balance, and NRA shirts will suddenly become perfectly welcome and legal to wear in the very same school. The boy will be allowed to grow up an "American".

[F1Venom]

As soon as I got to the part where you stated that the election of Obama showed an increase in the IQ of Americans I stopped reading. Besides, have you been to Europe? I'm in a European airport and the people are retards. As soon as I see someone that looks decently intelligent I hear them speaking in American. You are stuck in some Pre-1980s Communistic view of the American and your ACC bullshit theory makes you look even more retarded.

[quagmire]

American is a language?

But, yeah I don't get that guy was saying either. I gave up after the 3rd paragraph.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by quagmire

American is a language?

But, yeah I don't get that guy was saying either. I gave up after the 3rd paragraph.

He's saying despite all of us stupid 'muricans, he along with the countless other foreign scientist are doing their best to be the savior to our people that our government has begged them to be.

It's just too bad that this particular chosen one is not smart, studied or educated enough to be that savior for us poor souls. Due to his lack of couth and tact, he'll never persuade a single person with ACC to listen to him, let alone cure them. Pitty....

[F1Venom]

Originally Posted by quagmire

American is a language?

But, yeah I don't get that guy was saying either. I gave up after the 3rd paragraph.

I stated I'm in Europe and if I used English instead of American when saying which language I heard spoken, it could've been construed to mean British English, not USA English.

[1LRM3]

Originally Posted by F1Venom

Fuck the liberal public school system which does nothing but pussify the next generation of Americans. I heard in California there's a school district which is doing a buy back of freaking Nerf guns which kids play with!

+ 1,000,000

there is a lack of ppl to have any backbone, do the proper act, and stand up for what is right... rather, the spineless sector is taking control and ruining this country. we are teaching kids to not have any defense skills (coping skills) with 0 tolerance policies.

when a kid wears an NRA shirt, this crap happens.

when a kid bullies another or behaves improperly at school, we teach the kid with a positive behavioral approach ("oh johnny what should you have done instead of put glue in the locks?") rather than disciplining.



sadly this generation of kids will be taking care of us.... ugh!

[1LRM3]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

my wife busted out my HS yearbook because she meet a prospective client who graduated the same year as me. in the front of the book they profiled some people and their hobbies. There is a FULL page profile on a kid who collected knifes. In the center of the page was a picture of this kid sitting on a sofa that was covered with blades and he'd duel wielding a few as well.

Not a chance in hell this would make it into a year book these days.

google and the NSA is watching...

I dont know you... you are not on this forum...this is photoshopped...say it is not so...

[Templar]

lol...

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