[schoy]

I see nothing wrong with what the officer did. The cops thought the dog was adequately secured when they instructed him to put the dog in the car. Even if they later determined that the dog could have leaped from the car, they weren't going to (nor should they be required to) try to secure the dog further as they aren't equipped to handle a large dog like that.

They also weren't going to (nor should they be required to) uncuff the guy for the sole purpose for him to secure the dog; we should not be creating legal distinctions as to when an arrestee can or can't be uncuffed as it would create too many uncertainties on how an officer is supposed to act in potentially stressful or life-threatening situations.

So, when the dog apparently leaped up at the officer, the officer reasonably determined that the dog posed a threat of imminent bodily injury, and responded appropriately. Could the officer have used non-lethal force? Possibly, but I don't think they are trained on the level or application of non-lethal force necessary to subdue animals. Animals don't have quite the same level of civil rights as humans, nor should they.

[infinitekidM2C]

right, if the guy was normal and not looney tunes possibly they would have uncuffed him to sort the dog out...that's what you get by acting crazy...

[E90SLAM]

The ignorant owner indirectly killed his own dog.
Police were there for about two hours already from a barricated suspect stand-off.
Every officer is in tension already. and this guy poking around like an idiot.

The only sympathy I gave was the dog itself. not knowing whats going on and got killed.

[TXSTYLE]

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/02/prweb1946004.htm

Ya don't say....

[Sedan_Clan]

We're having this discussion on Fanatics as well, and I'm the only officer who has really chimed in. With that said, I would shoot an animal too in that situation (...and yes, that owner is entirely responsible for that animal's demise).

[quagmire]

The only time I see the dog lunge towards the cop was when the COP approached the dog to get the leash. The dog wasn't the aggressor per se. The dog didn't try to tackle the cop and maul him. The dog was merely trying to get to his owner and defend him.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by quagmire

The only time I see the dog lunge towards the cop was when the COP approached the dog to get the leash. The dog wasn't the aggressor per se. The dog didn't try to tackle the cop and maul him. The dog was merely trying to get to his owner and defend him.

i think the dog was just trying to calm his owner down ("it's ok Joe i'm going to call our lawyer")

[schoy]

Originally Posted by quagmire

The only time I see the dog lunge towards the cop was when the COP approached the dog to get the leash. The dog wasn't the aggressor per se. The dog didn't try to tackle the cop and maul him. The dog was merely trying to get to his owner and defend him.

So ... what was the cop supposed to do? Not try to get the leash to restrain the dog? In your analysis, the cop is in a no-win scenario.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by schoy

So ... what was the cop supposed to do? Not try to get the leash to restrain the dog? In your analysis, the cop is in a no-win scenario.

Taser? Pepper Spray? Uncuff the owner and have him secure it? Shooting it wasn't the best method...... A properly trained police officer should know that.

[Who?]

its obviously the owners fault, but as others stated, the police could have handled it better..

watching the poor dog is just incredibly sad..

[cotenseto]

Everyone defending the dog is a bleeding heart liberal.

When will you people learn that people are responsible for their OWN ACTIONS.

This guy was taunting the cops, you could see he was yelling something at them.

He decided to interfere with a police investigation/crime scene.

He decided to taunt the police.

He decided to not secure his dog properly.

I don't particularly like many police actions but this was 100% justified.

A rotweiler was measured to have the strongest jaw of any breed and has one of the top bite forces of any dog. They are widely regarded as the 2nd most dangerous breed.

Irresponsible owner, interfering in something that's none of his business, negligently secures the dog, is 100% responsible for the dog's death.

Cops aren't going to try to tase/pepper spray a dog. Animals are less effected by these non-lethal deterrants. This dog was dangerous, and acting aggressively. The dog absolutely had to be put down to avoid a dangerous injury to the cops.

Armchair quarterbacks... seriously... get a clue.

[schoy]

Originally Posted by quagmire

Taser? Pepper Spray? Uncuff the owner and have him secure it? Shooting it wasn't the best method...... A properly trained police officer should know that.

I addressed all of these in my previous post #23 above.

[i dunno]

this is everybody's fault. both the guy and the police were stupid. and when people are stupid, innocent things suffer. poor dog...

[jlstyle]

Originally Posted by quagmire

Taser? Pepper Spray? Uncuff the owner and have him secure it? Shooting it wasn't the best method...... A properly trained police officer should know that.

So....properly trained police officer should've either:

1. Pulled his taser out and tried to dodge a dog when he's not even sure taser would work on mad animal

2. Pulled his pepper spray out and try to dodge jumping dog's face

3. Pulled his handcuff key out of his pocket and uncuff him when mad dog was about to jump him

I hope you try to do that when large dog such as Rott is about to take you down.
Also I hope that you are a MASTER in all aspects of your career field because you had been properly trained for your degree(s).

So funny how vast number of Americans are so self seeking and suing over hot coffees, hamburgers they ate, and some other stupid shit, yet asking cop to serve like a they don't have their own rights.

Who's fault is it if that police officer got mauled by a dog? Who will pay for his mental trauma? Does he have to just deal with it because he is a cop?
If so, ask government to pay them much higher with your tax dollars because it ain't worth it.

This shit makes me laugh and sick.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by cotenseto

Everyone defending the dog is a bleeding heart liberal.

When will you people learn that people are responsible for their OWN ACTIONS.

This guy was taunting the cops, you could see he was yelling something at them.

He decided to interfere with a police investigation/crime scene.

He decided to taunt the police.

He decided to not secure his dog properly.

I don't particularly like many police actions but this was 100% justified.

A rotweiler was measured to have the strongest jaw of any breed and has one of the top bite forces of any dog. They are widely regarded as the 2nd most dangerous breed.

Irresponsible owner, interfering in something that's none of his business, negligently secures the dog, is 100% responsible for the dog's death.

Cops aren't going to try to tase/pepper spray a dog. Animals are less effected by these non-lethal deterrants. This dog was dangerous, and acting aggressively. The dog absolutely had to be put down to avoid a dangerous injury to the cops.

Armchair quarterbacks... seriously... get a clue.

Didn't know this was a political issue....

I am not defending the owner. He is an idiot. I just don't think the officer's actions was justifiable. The dog didn't go to tackle the cop and maul him. He was there barking at the cops and when the cops approached the dog, yes he did go to bite him. But, backed off when the cop backed off. Was that surprising? A dog who thought the cops were the aggressors and defended himself?

How many people are dog owners/like dogs and treat them as family that are defending shooting the dog? If the dog did go to tackle a cop and maul him, I would be fine with shooting it. I just didn't see anything that would justify shooting the dog.

[amanda hor$t]

the dog didn't have to die, blame it on the owner for being a troll. the cops could have done something else, like whack it a few times with the nightstick.

[leJUNd]

The dog owner was being a dumb ass and deserves to feel whatever pain he's feeling right now. Too bad it cost this dog's life. No sympathy should be given to this man. Owner ultimately put his dog in a position where he could possibly get hurt with his retarded act. He is not responsible enough to own a dog.

I am in no position to make this judgement but... from looking at the video, I think the situation could have been handled better even after the dog jumped out of the window. Dog wasn't being aggressive the moment he hit the ground. He wasn't charging at anyone. It's unreasonable to expect police officers to be Cesar Millan... especially with unfamiliar Rott that just jumped out of a car window, but in the beginning dog wasn't being aggressive. It almost looked like it was confused. It wasn't until one officer tried to grab him by his collar that he showed aggression. That was not a wise move. From the looks of it everyone panicked the moment the dog came out of the car and didn't know how to handle that situation. They should have tried to calm the dog down. That's my worthless opinion.

Lot of people are outraged, incorrectly siding with the owner because the dog did nothing wrong and they imagine that their own dogs acting similarly if put in a similar situation... but this was all on the owner. When he decided to make an ass of himself and create a conflict against cops, he was also putting his dog against the cops. Responsible owner should have known that.

Not that I would put myself in a situation like this, but I couldn't help but imagine my french bull dog running towards the officer thinking we are playing then officers mistakenly thinking he's being aggressive and shooting him.

[Comet]

Originally Posted by jlstyle

Who's fault is it if that police officer got mauled by a dog? Who will pay for his mental trauma? Does he have to just deal with it because he is a cop?
If so, ask government to pay them much higher with your tax dollars because it ain't worth it.

It comes with the job, so yes, it is up to him to deal with it. They get paid more than enough to sit on their ass to give out speeding tickets while stuffing their faces with donuts.

mental trauma.. wow.. poor little sensitive baby cop. Did the little bite scar you for life? How is a man who is afraid of a dog bite going to defend someone from an armed robber. sheesh.

[bumere90]

that's messed up
I would never do that
I was attacked by larger dogs multiple times
and all I had to do was to kick them and they would turn around and run away
that guy who shot the dog....come on man, was it really necessary to fire multiple shots?
One shot or taser would be more than enough to stop the dog. 'Merica just showed the world the world how we can treat animals.

[Mr Tonka]

This forum is like kryptonite for reading comprehension.

This is what i see in the video.

I personally can't see what the dog owner was doing to interfere with police efforts. This whole thing was allegedly because of the car stereo being too loud. Really, it was a rental car with a stock stereo. Not even a upgraded stock stereo, how much interference could it have done? I"m guess not much since the dog owner standing 7 feet from the car could hear the officers orders from what looks like at least 100 feet away. Was there a noise ordnance he was in violation of? Is it illegal to play a car stereo loudly? If not, he wasn't doing anything illegal and shouldn't have been arrested. Aside from that he was doing the same thing the person sitting in the car was doing, filming public property. He was not doing anything violent or threatening to life or property.

To recap, from the video it seemed the dog owner:

Wasn't breaking the law

Wasn't threatening anyone or anything

Wasn't violent

Complied with officers orders

Was the guy being a jack ass? Yes, but last i checked being a jack ass in this country isn't illegal. In fact it seems to be a prerequisite for holding public office. Again, if what the officers were doing was so intense, why did they have the time to arrest a guy because he didn't turn down his radio when they asked him to?

At this point each party has made a poor decision that lead to the death of the dog. This is where the professional failed in my opinion. Their failure doesn't make them responsible for the outcome of the situation though. Once the dog was out of the window there was little that could have been done to alter the outcome. Everything that could have altered the outcome would have had to happen prior to the dog getting out of the car.

Taser or pepper spray were low percentage possibilities. However, i'm quite certain that either tool would have held the dog at bay quite easily. The question i would have is to the effect of how quickly the officer was able to draw his gun. I only watched the video once as i don't care to see it again, but from what i remember it seemed that the officer fired as the dog was moving away from him. Seems that once realizing he didn't lose any fingers when trying to grab the leash he might have been able to chose a course of action different than deadly force.

Again, once the dog jumped out of the window there was very little the cops could have done to alter the outcome. While i am a dog lover, i can imagine that i may have done the same thing should i have been in that situation. What i would have done different was to secure the situation from the beginning. Also, if i had decided to arrest a guy for essentially doing nothing wrong i would make sure it happened incident free. I would have made sure the dog owner secured the dog in the car. If that had happened, this thread wouldn't exist and there would be one more rotty in the world.

Yes, it is very easy to say all this after the fact. But the facts are, police do train for these situations. My armchair skills tell me that the officer was bent on teaching this guy a lesson, so much so that he neglected to analyze the entire situation and the dog had to pay for it.

And i agree that people should be responsible for their actions and for that i lay blame on the dog owner for the outcome. I also believe the police are trained enough to be able to handle this situation without having to shoot this dog. My sympathy only goes out to the dog.

What also sucks about this is that some money grubbing attorney is going to tell that guy that they have a case against the police for them shooting his dog. He'll likely win a large settlement which damages all of us law abiding citizens who pay our taxes; which pay this officer's salary. For this, dog owner being a jack ass or not, i put responsibility on the officer to be the professional he was trained to be in these situations.

[Vic311]

^
Do you live in the same America I do? Sorry but in the real world when you screw with the authorities like this you get the short end of the stick sometimes.

He had no need to be hanging around there playing beats, video taping them, questioning their presence ..etc..And in the end he went too far and his dog paid the price for it.

[scorcherjf]

There's so many things the owner could have done to prevent the situation from happening and saving his dog's life. I can't blame the cop for what he did either. Rottweilers have one of the strongest jaws and can almost break a human hand or arm instantly so you don't just want to wait around and see if he does indeed bite you before taking action.