[kscarrol]

I'd like to see this info so please show us. I have always heard not that the virus is less virulent but that vaccinated people simply shed less of the virus.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

I'd like to see this info so please show us. I have always heard not that the virus is less virulent but that vaccinated people simply shed less of the virus.

I think we are saying the same thing. Vaccinated people generally shed less active virus, but they will shed inactive virus also, which by some measures increases the total shed #s.

ks, I respect your question but have to go out now....

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

^^ this ^^

But not the same... much of the virus shed from a vaccinated person is less virulent than the shed from an unvaccinated person.

You can look this up on the innernet, or maybe in the past vaccine threads we have had here.

Not going to do your work for you. You make the claim, you substantiate it. Just like I did. Otherwise, just words.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Not going to do your work for you. You make the claim, you substantiate it. Just like I did. Otherwise, just words.

Bye bye!

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

I think we are saying the same thing. Vaccinated people generally shed less active virus, but they will shed inactive virus also, which by some measures increases the total shed #s.

ks, I respect your question but have to go out now....

No problem, but please look up the definition of virulent. Perhaps the word you are looking for is contagious...

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

I'd like to see this info so please show us. I have always heard not that the virus is less virulent but that vaccinated people simply shed less of the virus.

I hope this clears things up a little:

"In England, people who became infected despite being vaccinated with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines (known as a breakthrough infection), were only half as likely to pass their infection on to household contacts compared to infected people who were not vaccinated.

In Israel, people who had a breakthrough infection after the Pfizer vaccine had less virus cultured from their nose than people who had not been vaccinated."
https://theconversation.com/can-vira...-big-no-162940

" The durations of both infectious virus shedding and symptoms were significantly reduced in vaccinated individuals compared with unvaccinated individuals. We also observed that breakthrough infections are associated with strong tissue compartmentalization and are only detectable in saliva in some cases. These data indicate that vaccination shortens the duration of time of high transmission potential, minimizes symptom duration, and may restrict tissue dissemination."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34494028/

"While many have interpreted this result as indicating that vaccinated people who become infected with the Delta variant are just as infectious as unvaccinated people who are infected, Ferullo and others urge caution. “It’s important to remember that the PCR test detects viral RNA, not infectious virus. Detectable viral RNA doesn’t necessarily correlate with infectiousness.... But it’s possible that two individuals could carry the same amount of detectable viral RNA in their nostrils, even if one of them is much less infectious.”
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-upd...ugh-infections

Going especially from the MIT link, I think vaccinated people can be less contagious to others, and shed a less virulent, less healthy, virus than the unvaccinated.

[Sedan_Clan]

Interesting statistic.

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-upd...ugh-infections

Going especially from the MIT link, I think vaccinated people can be less contagious to others, and shed a less virulent, less healthy, virus than the unvaccinated.

Read the MIT link, nothing said about the virus that vaccinated folks shed being less virulent. They are less contagious because they shed less virus than unvaccinated and for a shorter period but nothing about a less virulent virus. Maybe I missed it...

[dmatre]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Interesting statistic.

That's an inevitability, as at some point the number of unvaccinated will be approaching 0%, and the number of vaccinated will be approaching 100%.

[6oclockshadow]

As of yesterday in MA, 36% of those in hospital with covid are fully vaccinated. Been tracking this # since they started reporting it, and it has trickled upwards.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dmatre

That's an inevitability, as at some point the number of unvaccinated will be approaching 0%, and the number of vaccinated will be approaching 100%.

It will never be 100% or near that……


…..not without threatening everybody and the government being willing to uproot countless lives in order to obtain compliance. You'll get civil war long before that happens.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by 6oclockshadow

As of yesterday in MA, 36% of those in hospital with covid are fully vaccinated. Been tracking this # since they started reporting it, and it has trickled upwards.

As more people get vaccinated, the percent of people getting infected who were vaccinated goes up, all things being equal.
Simple statistics.

[UncleWede]

Related, in SanFran, ~75 officers were placed on PAID admin leave, since they failed to comply with the vax mandate. Listed as significantly less than anticipated, but the anticipated number was around 125.

I'm guessing the number of officers in SanFran would be in the 1000's???

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

Read the MIT link, nothing said about the virus that vaccinated folks shed being less virulent. They are less contagious because they shed less virus than unvaccinated and for a shorter period but nothing about a less virulent virus. Maybe I missed it...

So, if being less contagious & contagious for a shorter time aren't enough, we have this:

"Researchers from the Netherlands took it a step further and looked at respiratory samples taken from vaccinated people with breakthrough infections and found that the virus in their noses was less likely to be infectious compared to unvaccinated people who got COVID. Still, infectious virus was detected in 68% of the vaccinated participants (compared with 85% of unvaccinated participants). "
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/break...b0487c855a2463

Are we there yet?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Related, in SanFran, ~75 officers were placed on PAID admin leave, since they failed to comply with the vax mandate. Listed as significantly less than anticipated, but the anticipated number was around 125.

I'm guessing the number of officers in SanFran would be in the 1000's???

Which department was that? Depending on the size of the department, 75 could be a lot….


…..like in a situation where the department has 200-300 officers. That same number on my department would be insignificant. We have thousands not complying.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Which department was that? Depending on the size of the department, 75 could be a lot….


…..like in a situation where the department has 200-300 officers.

SanFran, Cisco

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

SanFran, Cisco

Okay?!?! My question still stands. Are we talking SFPD, UC San Francisco PD……? Are you talking one of the many SFPD stations? Mentioning SF is like mentioning LA. I'm looking for specificity.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Okay?!?! My question still stands. Are we talking SFPD, UC San Francisco PD……? Are you talking one of the many SFPD stations? Mentioning SF is like mentioning LA. I'm looking for specificity.

"San Francisco has placed 76 of its police officers on paid administrative leave for failing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. That number is much lower than was expected." That's all I got.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

"San Francisco has placed 76 of its police officers on paid administrative leave for failing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. That number is much lower than was expected." That's all I got.

I hope they lateral elsewhere. San Francisco has become an even bigger shithole.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

"San Francisco has placed 76 of its police officers on paid administrative leave for failing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. That number is much lower than was expected." That's all I got.

"Of SFPD specifically, about 5% of staff members, including 76 police officers, remain unvaccinated. SFPD has a staff of 2,117. Thirty-five fire department staff and 39 employees in the sheriff's department are unvaccinated, as well. A further departmental breakdown was not immediately provided by SFDPH."

https://www.sfgate.com/bay-area-poli...y-16536031.php



"While about 72% of adult Californians and 64% of Los Angeles residents 16 and older have received at least one vaccine dose, only about 51% of LA firefighters and 52% of the city’s police officers are at least partially vaccinated, the Los Angeles Times reported Saturday.

Fewer than 30% of Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department staff have received vaccine doses through employee clinics, and about 54% of state corrections employees are at least partially vaccinated."

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by 6oclockshadow

As of yesterday in MA, 36% of those in hospital with covid are fully vaccinated. Been tracking this # since they started reporting it, and it has trickled upwards.

Yes!! It only means more people are being vaccinated.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It will never be 100% or near that……


…..not without threatening everybody and the government being willing to uproot countless lives in order to obtain compliance. You'll get civil war long before that happens.

95% vaccinated in the SF police dept is pretty close to 100%. It should give herd immunity.
When is the civil war starting, & is it going to be on TV?