[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I wouldn't be surprised if EXACTLY that happened.

I'll try and dig it up but apparently there was some tension there. BMW saying look at these magnificent performance numbers and the efficiency is amazing, Toyota raise an eyebrow, suitably impressed.... then start testing. At this point heads start shaking with lots of swearing in Japanese and German.

[freakystyly]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I'll try and dig it up but apparently there was some tension there. BMW saying look at these magnificent performance numbers and the efficiency is amazing, Toyota raise an eyebrow, suitably impressed.... then start testing. At this point heads start shaking with lots of swearing in Japanese and German.

For what it's worth, B58B30C is the (low output - 2020) Supra engine code which is only used in the Supra... the newer revision (high output - 2023) shares the same code as the rest of the BMW lineup. So maybe BMW learned a thing or two.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Check the g80 section. It appears that they think bmw is the best brand ever.

I see. We call those "bmw fanboi's".

I've owned 8 BMW's. 2 Halo cars and 3 EV's amongst the group. Prefer to drive nothing else.

I WOULDN'T drive anything else but those son***bi***es won't send the 530e Touring across the pond. As well as the X1e. Or the X2e ASS*****

So I have to settle for a Volvo V60 Polestar. Only hybrid wagon in the U.S. worth looking at. You wanna talk about problems with hardware and software? Yeah. BMW IS head and heels above Volvo for that.
But BMW being the "most reliable build quality"? No way. Superb CARS. But Toyota and Honda build "toasters" that everybody drives. Tick tock clock reliable. Perfect build quality. And much cheaper than BMW's. But no soul. None. BMW is the perfect amount of "alpha romeo" infused into a Toyota/Honda that gives it life, and soul, but also introduces just enough unreliability to make it a pain in the ass from time to time.

Shawn

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Wasn't there a rumour that Toyota was handed BMW's engine for the Supra, stuck it on a test bench and BMW said yeah she is good to go..... Toyota then shot back with an arm long list of shit that needed changing, mostly plastic parts to metal? Also BMW kept questioning why they kept relentlessly testing it day in, day out, under different simulated conditions

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...mw-z4-engines/

Some of the part number changes. Likely that the Supra engine will be more reliable than the BMW match. They chose more expensive BMW parts for the builds.

Shawn

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

I see. We call those "bmw fanboi's".

I've owned 8 BMW's. 2 Halo cars and 3 EV's amongst the group. Prefer to drive nothing else.

I WOULDN'T drive anything else but those son***bi***es won't send the 530e Touring across the pond. As well as the X1e. Or the X2e ASS*****

So I have to settle for a Volvo V60 Polestar. Only hybrid wagon in the U.S. worth looking at. You wanna talk about problems with hardware and software? Yeah. BMW IS head and heels above Volvo for that.
But BMW being the "most reliable build quality"? No way. Superb CARS. But Toyota and Honda build "toasters" that everybody drives. Tick tock clock reliable. Perfect build quality. And much cheaper than BMW's. But no soul. None. BMW is the perfect amount of "alpha romeo" infused into a Toyota/Honda that gives it life, and soul, but also introduces just enough unreliability to make it a pain in the ass from time to time.

Shawn

Agreed. My brother bought a 2019 rav4. I rode in it for the first time since going with him that day 3 years ago to the dealer, on fathers day and it drove exactly the same way i remember it when we test drove it 3 years ago. I think he has 40k miles and nothing in the interior rattles, every bump he hits still feels incredibly solid. Only thing is that it's slow as fuck. But he's happy because it gets good MPG and he can haul his wife and kid around.

I was just saying people on this forum, just because we own BMW's, that it's the best. It isn't.

I like ALL cars, i don't necessarily have a particular favorite when it comes to overall usability. Now toys i prefer corvettes.

But i have a '22 model 3 and it has been incredible since day 1. No glitches in the screen, no rattles. There are like 2 interior panel gaps i found early on but i don't care about that. The paint is ok, body panels so far (only hand washed it twice in 3 months) look perfect. I don't notice any defects with this car besides the 2 small interior gaps by the rear seating.

But yet i have 2 rattles in my M3.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

I see. We call those "bmw fanboi's".

I've owned 8 BMW's. 2 Halo cars and 3 EV's amongst the group. Prefer to drive nothing else.

I WOULDN'T drive anything else but those son***bi***es won't send the 530e Touring across the pond. As well as the X1e. Or the X2e ASS*****

So I have to settle for a Volvo V60 Polestar. Only hybrid wagon in the U.S. worth looking at. You wanna talk about problems with hardware and software? Yeah. BMW IS head and heels above Volvo for that.
But BMW being the "most reliable build quality"? No way. Superb CARS. But Toyota and Honda build "toasters" that everybody drives. Tick tock clock reliable. Perfect build quality. And much cheaper than BMW's. But no soul. None. BMW is the perfect amount of "alpha romeo" infused into a Toyota/Honda that gives it life, and soul, but also introduces just enough unreliability to make it a pain in the ass from time to time.

Shawn

I've never seen someone laud unreliability as a good thing.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

I see. We call those "bmw fanboi's".

I've owned 8 BMW's. 2 Halo cars and 3 EV's amongst the group. Prefer to drive nothing else.

I WOULDN'T drive anything else but those son***bi***es won't send the 530e Touring across the pond. As well as the X1e. Or the X2e ASS*****

So I have to settle for a Volvo V60 Polestar. Only hybrid wagon in the U.S. worth looking at. You wanna talk about problems with hardware and software? Yeah. BMW IS head and heels above Volvo for that.
But BMW being the "most reliable build quality"? No way. Superb CARS. But Toyota and Honda build "toasters" that everybody drives. Tick tock clock reliable. Perfect build quality. And much cheaper than BMW's. But no soul. None. BMW is the perfect amount of "alpha romeo" infused into a Toyota/Honda that gives it life, and soul, but also introduces just enough unreliability to make it a pain in the ass from time to time.

Shawn

Lexus has had a fair number of dynamically good (often better than the contemporary BMW :cough: F30 :cough: ) for a while now.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I've never seen someone laud unreliability as a good thing.

It's not. It just comes with soul and cutting edge driving dynamics.

Take a Mercedes S class for example. Typically, unreliable piece of GARBAGE. But almost every SINGLE new feature that appears on mainstream cars appeared on an S class FIRST.

Does that make it a great car? No. But the damn thing just oozes class and "newfangledly" cool stuff to try out.

I'm not saying unreliability comes as a good thing. It doesn't. But it does come when you are TRYING new things.

Shawn

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Lexus has had a fair number of dynamically good (often better than the contemporary BMW :cough: F30 :cough: ) for a while now.

Driving a lexus and the competitive BMW back to back is like sleeping with the ugly fat kid in your class and a pornstar for comparison. The ugly fat kid can get the job done, but is no where near as much fun, or as fast.

Just sayin'

Shawn

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

Driving a lexus and the competitive BMW back to back is like sleeping with the ugly fat kid in your class and a pornstar for comparison. The ugly fat kid can get the job done, but is no where near as much fun, or as fast.

Just sayin'

Shawn

If the F30 was a pornstar, it was late era Bonnie Rotten.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

It's not. It just comes with soul and cutting edge driving dynamics.

Take a Mercedes S class for example. Typically, unreliable piece of GARBAGE. But almost every SINGLE new feature that appears on mainstream cars appeared on an S class FIRST.

Does that make it a great car? No. But the damn thing just oozes class and "newfangledly" cool stuff to try out.

I'm not saying unreliability comes as a good thing. It doesn't. But it does come when you are TRYING new things.

Shawn

The Stockholm Syndrome is strong with you.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

If the F30 was a pornstar, it was late era Bonnie Rotten.

I'll go along with that. With a full body condom, and no way to get caught, would you have a go?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Shawn

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

The Stockholm Syndrome is strong with you.

So it is. I preached against BMW's for eons, until 2014 after my Impreza got stuck in the snow because of inadequate ground clearance.

Best small SUV at that time with all the "things" was a 2014 x1. Have bought little other than BMW's since, and most of the "other" cars have been massive disappointments in one way or the other. Loved the other BMW's and let them go only for lifestyle or utility reasons. None of them are or were perfect, but they sure are damn good drivers cars.

Shawn

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

I'll go along with that. With a full body condom, and no way to get caught, would you have a go?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Shawn

I have zero desire to ever have another go in an F30. If I knew what I was getting into, wouldn't have bothered with the first driving experience.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by shawnhayes

So it is. I preached against BMW's for eons, until 2014 after my Impreza got stuck in the snow because of inadequate ground clearance.

Best small SUV at that time with all the "things" was a 2014 x1. Have bought little other than BMW's since, and most of the "other" cars have been massive disappointments in one way or the other. Loved the other BMW's and let them go only for lifestyle or utility reasons. None of them are or were perfect, but they sure are damn good drivers cars.

Shawn

That literal 1" made a difference, not the tires between the two?

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

That literal 1" made a difference, not the tires between the two?

Unfortunately for a 2012 Impreza compared to a 2014 X1, regardless of whatever differences are quoted in the book, the difference in the center of the car was about 3".

When my impreza got stuck, it high centered. None of the tires were able to get full traction. I have a job where getting there is not optional, and its time pressure as well. Couldv'e been tank tracks and wouldn't have helped.

Shawn

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by Obioban

I have zero desire to ever have another go in an F30. If I knew what I was getting into, wouldn't have bothered with the first driving experience.

I wasn't referring to the F30. I was referring to Bonnie Rotten.

Shawn

[M5Rick]

I know someone with a Tesla who lives out of town, no road tax, no servicing? really, a charge point in the driveway convenient to their lifestyle with a laser light show to cheer you up. The scuttle is so low that I was praying it won't go under something if the brake fluid boiled and the battery longevity is a big question mark, I'm also seing more Tesla's on breakdown trucks.
Great when new but what happens when time goes on and the battery cries enough, it simply goes on the ever mounting problem of a huge mountain of rising scrap and of course the propensity for the batteries to ignite at any given moment.
The recent car transporter ship burning carrying EV's off Portugal then sinking causing environmental catastrophe for marine life is more trouble than it's worth.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The recent car transporter ship burning carrying EV's off Portugal then sinking causing environmental catastrophe for marine life is more trouble than it's worth.

They are actively clearing massive tracts of rain forest in the Philippines to mine Nickel for EV batteries. How green is that? I'm all for making EV's the next mode of transportation, but we need to slow down and not be stupid about it.

[c1pher]

I am not really an EV fan after quite considerable research and driving. I think Tesla has done a lot to usher in adoption but the convenience and range just isn’t there. If you are strictly an urban driver and can charge overnight at home, then it can work. But if you drive like I do, lots of longer drives or mixed driving, then no it’s not really feasible. The only car I have been tempted by is the Porsche Taycan so far, but just doesn’t have the range. Cold temps affect all EVs and slow battery longevity decline is a thing. So you will never get as good range as you did when you first bought the car. I am waiting for the Macan EV to come out as I believe it will have more range and will be Porsches second generation of EV. I love the Macan platform, having owned a Turbo, so want to see what it will be like.

[chassis]

Good point about the shrinking gas tank that all EVs have as a built-in feature.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

They are actively clearing massive tracts of rain forest in the Philippines to mine Nickel for EV batteries. How green is that? I'm all for making EV's the next mode of transportation, but we need to slow down and not be stupid about it.

But that suburban mom/dad driving little Timmy and little Tammy to private kindergarten in her/his Tesla won't be polluting their evergreen suburban neighborhood. Win!
/scarcasm