[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by gblansten

This topic has arisen many many times and I have discussed it earlier. I just don't want to get recursive and keep looping back on the same nuances over and over again.

But the reality is that most cities in NA and europe have the same issue with street parking and no access to overnight charging. The target market for EV owners is big cities, and one of the great stumbling blocks is no access to home charging because of street parking.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

But the reality is that most cities in NA and europe have the same issue with street parking and no access to overnight charging. The target market for EV owners is big cities, and one of the great stumbling blocks is no access to home charging because of street parking.

Don't disagree. Just not a topic I have added comments on.

Post#3672 was my last comment I think.

[Car-Addicted]

Cobalt isn’t the only mineral causing problems for the clean energy transition. Demand is booming for lithium, graphite, zinc, titanium, rare earth elements, and others—all necessary to make solar panels, wind turbines, batteries, magnets, and other key bits of clean tech. Almost all of these have been linked to corruption, labor, and environmental issues in their countries of origin.

David Sturmes, senior programs and operations director at the Impact Facility, the UK-based nonprofit that oversees the alliance, said it’s nearly impossible for a company with a need for cobalt to shake artisanal mining from its supply chain. Even if it were, cutting off artisanal miners means dealing a potentially devastating blow to local economies; in its 2019 sustainability report,

https://qz.com/1901367/can-tesla-hel...cobalt-problem

Sometimes it better to look like your solving the problem that it is to solve the problem.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Cobalt isn’t the only mineral causing problems for the clean energy transition. Demand is booming for lithium, graphite, zinc, titanium, rare earth elements, and others—all necessary to make solar panels, wind turbines, batteries, magnets, and other key bits of clean tech. Almost all of these have been linked to corruption, labor, and environmental issues in their countries of origin.

David Sturmes, senior programs and operations director at the Impact Facility, the UK-based nonprofit that oversees the alliance, said it’s nearly impossible for a company with a need for cobalt to shake artisanal mining from its supply chain. Even if it were, cutting off artisanal miners means dealing a potentially devastating blow to local economies; in its 2019 sustainability report,

https://qz.com/1901367/can-tesla-hel...cobalt-problem

Sometimes it better to look like your solving the problem that it is to solve the problem.

Life is complicated. When someone needs a hip replacement I don't judge them for getting a cobalt chromium prosthetic. It is good to see companies try to mitigate bad situations and try to develop technology that might forego the need for less common materials like cobalt compounds.

There have been all sorts of efforts to reduce child labor in numerous areas like smart phone manufacture and textiles. None of us are pure. The world continues to evolve and I think reasonable work is being done to correct these legitimate concerns.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Life is complicated. When someone needs a hip replacement I don't judge them for getting a cobalt chromium prosthetic. It is good to see companies try to mitigate bad situations and try to develop technology that might forego the need for less common materials like cobalt compounds.

There have been all sorts of efforts to reduce child labor in numerous areas like smart phone manufacture and textiles. None of us are pure. The world continues to evolve and I think reasonable work is being done to correct these legitimate concerns.

There are over a Billion cars on the planet. The impact to replace them all with EV's will be staggering with respect to the mining required to produce enough rare earth minerals. If there is even sufficient minerals to produce that many batteries and on going replacements vs about 1.5M knee & hip replacements in the US annually.

I'm not being difficult, just pointing out the magnitude to transition.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

There are over a Billion cars on the planet. The impact to replace them all with EV's will be staggering with respect to the mining required to produce enough rare earth minerals. If there is even sufficient minerals to produce that many batteries and on going replacements vs about 1.5M knee & hip replacements in the US annually.

I'm not being difficult, just pointing out the magnitude to transition.

Let’s not replace all one billion. Let’s pace ourselves and innovate.

[KRS_SN]

Stage 1 good car but no software
Stage 2 good car has software
Stage 3 there is lots of software but shit car

Stage 1 needed improvement..
2 is peak car..
3 is just IT/tech guys weird masterdebating universe and a lot of folk in the real world want no part of that.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Life is complicated. When someone needs a hip replacement I don't judge them for getting a cobalt chromium prosthetic. It is good to see companies try to mitigate bad situations and try to develop technology that might forego the need for less common materials like cobalt compounds.

There have been all sorts of efforts to reduce child labor in numerous areas like smart phone manufacture and textiles. None of us are pure. The world continues to evolve and I think reasonable work is being done to correct these legitimate concerns.

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

There are over a Billion cars on the planet. The impact to replace them all with EV's will be staggering with respect to the mining required to produce enough rare earth minerals. If there is even sufficient minerals to produce that many batteries and on going replacements vs about 1.5M knee & hip replacements in the US annually.

I'm not being difficult, just pointing out the magnitude to transition.

Originally Posted by gblansten

Let’s not replace all one billion. Let’s pace ourselves and innovate.

I appreciate your thoughtfulness and perspective, but the problem is that’s not what any of the current powers that be are pushing. You are correct the world is complicated, but that particular political group finds it easier to pretend we live in a fantasy world where anything can happen just because we want it to be that way than face the reality of the world in which we live.

Going back to the charging issue I have focused on. It may have happened and I may have missed it, but I have never seen a single political figure, or industry leader for that matter, provide any proposal for addressing the “non-single family home with a garage” problem of how to charge EVs, much less any reasonable, realistic solution.

I live in a condo in Chicago and we have a parking garage with 180 parking spaces. I would say our garage is a midsize garage for residential buildings in Chicago. My building was completed in 2008. We do not have the electrical infrastructure to put in charging stations for the parking spaces in our garage. Just to provide the most basic infrastructure for our garage to make it possible to start installing charging stations will cost us $300,000+. That’s before a single charging station is installed. And something we do have in my building is an electrical vault owned by the electric company that serves our entire neighborhood. Very few buildings have that infrastructure onsite.

[gonzo]

I wonder how many had a Seecamp in their lap.

A taco and margarita truck could make some cheese.
Gavy would need 10% though. EV charge-wait food and beverage tax. 18% if unvaxed.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I wonder how many had a Seecamp in their lap.

A taco and margarita truck could make some cheese.
Gavy would need 10% though. EV charge-wait food and beverage tax. 18% if unvaxed.

[M5Rick]

Problem that the gub ment s avoids talking about like the plague.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Problem that the gub ment s avoids talking about like the plague.

I used to live in the older part of Toronto, very few houses had a garage or even a driveway so the vast majority, over 90% parked on the street. I know that since I've moved away there have been issues in my old neighbourhood where people are trying to run electrical cords out onto the street to charge their car. And of course also want a permit to reserve a spot in front of their home to facilitate home charging. The city of Toronto has said no to both.

But as illustrated in this video and I know I've made this very comment earlier in this thread this will be a real problem for many cities in Europe & NA.

And in my view those are the people most interested in moving into an EV, the folks that live outside the city and have the space (if they have the money to install a charger) aren't interested as EV's don't fit their needs.

Nobody in government who is forcing the transition is addressing this and it will become a bigger and bigger problem as move people get into an EV.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I wonder how many had a Seecamp in their lap.

A taco and margarita truck could make some cheese.
Gavy would need 10% though. EV charge-wait food and beverage tax. 18% if unvaxed.

I'd be taking hostages.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I'd be taking hostages.

Great place for lazy criminals. Like trick or treat for thieves
Chance of EV owners in California having concealed carry permit is ZERO. Happy Hunting

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I used to live in the older part of Toronto, very few houses had a garage or even a driveway so the vast majority, over 90% parked on the street. I know that since I've moved away there have been issues in my old neighbourhood where people are trying to run electrical cords out onto the street to charge their car. And of course also want a permit to reserve a spot in front of their home to facilitate home charging. The city of Toronto has said no to both.

But as illustrated in this video and I know I've made this very comment earlier in this thread this will be a real problem for many cities in Europe & NA.

And in my view those are the people most interested in moving into an EV, the folks that live outside the city and have the space (if they have the money to install a charger) aren't interested as EV's don't fit their needs.

Nobody in government who is forcing the transition is addressing this and it will become a bigger and bigger problem as move people get into an EV.

In other words they don't give two hoots and are simply unaccountable for barging in these policies. When questioned they shrug their shoulders, really people are walking into these ownerships being taken in by the non-stop EV ads in which some carmakers like Volvo and VW are even using children with mums driving out of covered driveways after unplugging, in large cosy homes with in built chargers, looking contented and safe. Not one EV ad I've seen yet is set on a typical inner city street with cable running across the sidewalk from their homes.

[gblansten]

Good morning everyone. Today I will be moving the goalposts, engaging in whataboutisms and straw man attacks. Tomorrow I will be more reasonable. Just an itch I need to scratch.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Good morning everyone. Today I will be moving the goalposts, engaging in whataboutisms and straw man attacks. Tomorrow I will be more reasonable. Just an itch I need to scratch.

I'm your huckleberry

[Car-Addicted]

Lets start things rolling with this one.
EVs lose their value faster than any type of vehicle, study finds
Nov 8, 2023
While the average five-year depreciation for all vehicles is 38.8%, electric vehicles are more than 10 percentage points worse at 49.1%.
In recent weeks, industry experts have raised an alarm over declining EV sales amid rising inventories of these vehicles, on which the auto industry has staked its future. Toyota recently cut its forecast for EV sales for the next fiscal year by 39.1%.
Luxury vehicles are also big losers when it comes to retaining their value. The Maserati Quattroporte, BMW 7 Series and the Maserati Ghibli all lost more than 61% of their value over the first five years.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news...ds-110823.html

[eljay]

224 page thread? What electric boat did I miss?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Lets start things rolling with this one.
EVs lose their value faster than any type of vehicle, study finds
Nov 8, 2023
While the average five-year depreciation for all vehicles is 38.8%, electric vehicles are more than 10 percentage points worse at 49.1%.
In recent weeks, industry experts have raised an alarm over declining EV sales amid rising inventories of these vehicles, on which the auto industry has staked its future. Toyota recently cut its forecast for EV sales for the next fiscal year by 39.1%.
Luxury vehicles are also big losers when it comes to retaining their value. The Maserati Quattroporte, BMW 7 Series and the Maserati Ghibli all lost more than 61% of their value over the first five years.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news...ds-110823.html

I wouldn't surprised if EVs stagnate on demand with the exception of Tesla and maybe BYD and maybe Kia. I think Tesla will continue to make production efficiency gains and grow their market and lower their prices. But without more build out of infrastructure for charging it will be suburbanites that use these cars as daily drivers mostly. I think the lag in legacy manufacturers on EVs with the inherent losses per car on cost will put them off committing to real EV production numbers. I think the whole thing gets slowed down and EVs become a more mature part of the market without taking it over.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I wouldn't surprised if EVs stagnate on demand

I predict pure EV's to take a major hit until better battery technology is developed along with better charging roll out. I do expect Hybrids to gain market share. Over all the EV market would be doing better if Hybrids were pushed first.
Tesla will continue to do OK unless BYD comes into the market. BYD will destroy the domestic EV market. EV profitability is a pipe dream now but a price war started by BYD along with the Unions fleecing of American car companies will the US domestic EV production.

I expect BYD to purchase a car company to make it's entry into the us market.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I predict pure EV's to take a major hit until better battery technology is developed along with better charging roll out. I do expect Hybrids to gain market share. Over all the EV market would be doing better if Hybrids were pushed first.
Tesla will continue to do OK unless BYD comes into the market. BYD will destroy the domestic EV market. EV profitability is a pipe dream now but a price war started by BYD along with the Unions fleecing of American car companies will the US domestic EV production.

I expect BYD to purchase a car company to make it's entry into the us market.

I'm pretty fascinated by how all of this turns out. So many moving parts.