[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's hilarious but...

''Low build quality''

I’m sorry, that was an utter waste of eight minutes of my life.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I accept that my perspective is skewed by living in a university town but there are four groups of EV users.
1) Prius drivers who think they are saving the planet by doing jack rabbit starts at every red light. They are mostly students or towns folks.
2) EV drivers, mostly SUV, all high end. These are the early adopters and they wouldn't say a negative thing about EV's if theirs caught fire in the garage and burned their house and family dog down. Generally associated with the university and all ways a second or third car. Drive EV's because it the socially acceptable thing to do and a great talking point at gatherings where they need to appear to be good stewards of the planet whey they plan their next trip to Italy. This group keeps the local Mercedes, Audi and BMW lots full of EV SUV's in Black, Silver and White because they lack imagination and style.
3) EV drivers, Tesla's. Almost all students and ready to show any Prius owner their stop light superiority. The funny part of this group is their charging solutions, from leaving their EV's at a local convenience store overnight to extension cords running out of apartment complexes.
4) Last group is the non existent EV group. They are blue collar working people and they own one or two cars and none of them are EV's and never will be EV's.

Well said Exactly the same here in Vancouver

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

I honestly don't take this debate too seriously.
There's pros and cons for both cars. However, this is the infancy of ev cars and i'd be really hesitant to buy from anyone other than tesla, or a really good manufacturer (comparatively speaking) because of that. All of these videos shows that buying from any old manufacturer that spits out an ev is a bad idea.

I take the future of my kids very seriously and am convinced that being shoe horned by those that run things into only having one choice of mode of transport is wrong. Eventually they should wise up to the wastage and t ax money they have squandered, more educated leaders will be much more people orientated as they see the bigger picture. .

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I accept that my perspective is skewed by living in a university town but there are four groups of EV users.
1) Prius drivers who think they are saving the planet by doing jack rabbit starts at every red light. They are mostly students or towns folks.
2) EV drivers, mostly SUV, all high end. These are the early adopters and they wouldn't say a negative thing about EV's if theirs caught fire in the garage and burned their house and family dog down. Generally associated with the university and all ways a second or third car. Drive EV's because it the socially acceptable thing to do and a great talking point at gatherings where they need to appear to be good stewards of the planet whey they plan their next trip to Italy. This group keeps the local Mercedes, Audi and BMW lots full of EV SUV's in Black, Silver and White because they lack imagination and style.
3) EV drivers, Tesla's. Almost all students and ready to show any Prius owner their stop light superiority. The funny part of this group is their charging solutions, from leaving their EV's at a local convenience store overnight to extension cords running out of apartment complexes.
4) Last group is the non existent EV group. They are blue collar working people and they own one or two cars and none of them are EV's and never will be EV's.

Group 5 is me: came out of fast cars and tried an EV because of 1020 hp/1050 ft-lbs of torque. Drives the same number of miles as I did in my M5. Same happy smile on my face as when driving my M5. I just have my face stretched back more now.

But, agree, the demography of EV drivers, on average, compared with all ICE drivers en masse is very different.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I take the future of my kids very seriously and am convinced that being shoe horned by those that run things into only having one choice of mode of transport is wrong. Eventually they should wise up to the wastage and t ax money they have squandered, more educated leaders will be much more people orientated as they see the bigger picture. .

Not only for my kid, I take it seriously too. I am old but not that old that it doesn't affect me. Why should I spend my hard earning money on something so expensive (EV=$$$$$$$$) that has so many negative facts that we all know. Saving the world, this is a joke. There are many many other ways to save the world that our government can do, are they doing them. The answer is no.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Group 5 is me: came out of fast cars and tried an EV because of 1020 hp/1050 ft-lbs of torque. Drives the same number of miles as I did in my M5. Same happy smile on my face as when driving my M5. I just have my face stretched back more now.

But, agree, the demography of EV drivers, on average, compared with all ICE drivers en masse is very different.

I'll add a Group 6: Non-EV drivers who don't believe anthropogenic globalwarmingclimatechange will harm the Earth but do believe in anthropogenic economic change that will do far more harm to our children well before the oceans rise to drown us. They drive their ICEV anywhere and any time they want and refuel in 5 minutes.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'll add a Group 6: Non-EV drivers who don't believe anthropogenic globalwarmingclimatechange will harm the Earth but do believe in anthropogenic economic change that will do far more harm to our children well before the oceans rise to drown us. They drive their ICEV anywhere and any time they want and refuel in 5 minutes.

You added non-EV drivers to a list of EV drivers?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

You added non-EV drivers to a list of EV drivers?

We're gatecrashing the list

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'll add a Group 6: Non-EV drivers who don't believe anthropogenic globalwarmingclimatechange will harm the Earth but do believe in anthropogenic economic change

How very scientific of you, not to mention correct.
Do we need to have the ("I'm a "6er") tee shirts printed?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

You added non-EV drivers to a list of EV drivers?

Group 4 and Group 5 are non-EV drivers...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

How very scientific of you, not to mention correct.
Do we need to have the ("I'm a "6er") tee shirts printed?

How about a lapel pin?

[Car-Addicted]

Introducing the new EV Chevrolet Silverado EV. Limited range, but unlimited fun and only $.25 a trip. Your mileage may vary

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Introducing the new EV Chevrolet Silverado EV. Limited range, but unlimited fun and only $.25 a trip. Your mileage may vary

Only if they take cash unlike any public working EV charging machines

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

That prick puts sand in the vaseline.

But he did just order tampons in men's rooms.
Golden Earing knew Twilight Zone would bear fruit up there.

Coin toss on who's creepier between him and our Mr. Skidmarks.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Group 4 and Group 5 are non-EV drivers...

Five is me. I drive an EV.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Introducing the new EV Chevrolet Silverado EV. Limited range, but unlimited fun and only $.25 a trip. Your mileage may vary

Last night a Porsche Cayenne S E-Hybrid in Assendelft (Netherlands)
Source => https://www.autoblog.nl/nieuws/670-p...-brand-3592825

While it was charging . Too bad !

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

How about a lapel pin?

Nah, Tattoos are the only way to go.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Last night a Porsche Cayenne S E-Hybrid in Assendelft (Netherlands) While it was charging . Too bad !

In a perfect world it would belong to some EU official but there is no mansion in the back ground so it is safe to rule that out.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Last night a Porsche Cayenne S E-Hybrid in Assendelft (Netherlands)
Source => https://www.autoblog.nl/nieuws/670-p...-brand-3592825

While it was charging . Too bad !

Looks like apartment land there and that Audi close parked next to it is lucky to escape fire damage with fire concentrated on the left of the cayenne.
This porsche plug in hybrid was a one way ticket to disaster.

[M5Rick]

^^ Just to add flame to the fire the fine particles from the cancerous soot produced from the fire is probably on nearby apartments also, being breathed in by inhabitants and their pets.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Five is me. I drive an EV.

I read it as: "Gblansten drivers just folks who love fast cars and don't care what they run on".

Meaning ICE or E

[KRS_SN]

The EV strategy of buying the teslas is bulk wasn't such a clever idea afterall.....