[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

You are very early. This is only page 48 on my PC

Your settings must be showing more posts per page.

[supra93]

For those that don't want to read the whole article.

[NickyC]

Maybe the powers that be heard the complaints concerning power levels and gave them a bit of a bump?

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by supra93

For those that don't want to read the whole article.

We need second opinion on that 3.8.....

[supra93]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

We need second opinion on that 3.8.....

Sure, but we already see that the EU Supra with the particulate filter comes in at 4.0 seconds.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

We need second opinion on that 3.8.....

And the rest of the numbers listed there. I’ll be comparing these numbers to ‘real world’ impartial test numbers.

[modthispny]

car and driver got a really really fast time for the M850i as well, 7 mph faster trap than motor trend, so who knows if their testing conditions are really optimal.

[Joe240]

Maybe this will give you some perspective:

2020 Z4 M40i, same wheel specs as the Supra, had plenty of wheel spin since it wasn't a drag strip, and Dragy was reading 2 mph slower than the digital gauge in the car (overcast skies may be the cause?).

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Joe240

Maybe this will give you some perspective:

2020 Z4 M40i, same wheel specs as the Supra, had plenty of wheel spin since it wasn't a drag strip, and Dragy was reading 2 mph slower than the digital gauge in the car (overcast skies may be the cause?).

The US spec Z4 M40i supposedly has 50 more hp than the Supra.

[Joe240]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

The US spec Z4 M40i supposedly has 50 more hp than the Supra.

My point exactly. If mine did this on the streets with plenty of wheel spin with dragy reading slightly slow, then it’s completely plausible that on a closed track environment the Supra can hit 0-60 in 3.8 with a 1/4 time of 12.3

[10"]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Have you watched any of the reviews? They're pretty universally positive.

Have you driven a car with the ZF 8-speed? It's arguably the best transmission short of a PDK.

Sales are going to exceed supply.

The 8 speed ZF is a garbage gearbox. Total garbage. Used in pedestrian sedans as a cost cutting tool. Feels underwhelming in every car I've ever driven with it and have driven about 10+ different cars with it.

No manual and no dual clutch = no care. This isn't an enthusiast car it's a marketing exercise.

[10"]

Originally Posted by supra93

^Regardless of how you feel personally, the car is sold out in 2 of the major markets.

Reviews for the EU model.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/toyota/supra

There are a lot of sheep who buy propaganda. The real verdict is in 5 years when they depreciate heavily and their original owners weren't compelled to keep them around...

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by 10"

The 8 speed ZF is a garbage gearbox. Total garbage. Used in pedestrian sedans as a cost cutting tool....

Like this one?

[supra93]

Originally Posted by 10"

There are a lot of sheep who buy propaganda. The real verdict is in 5 years when they depreciate heavily and their original owners weren't compelled to keep them around...

Well I was just addressing your false comment about the sales. Sounds like you're talking about most BMW products.

Another review.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Like this one?

hmmm I wonder why Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, and Lambo (huracan) all use DCT transmissions instead of autos on their sports cars??

ZF is fine for cruising around town. In fact is probably the best automatic on the market. Its great for daily driving.

Not so great as a sports car. There is definite lag on downshifts with every ZF 8 speed I've experienced compared with a DCT.

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by 10"

The 8 speed ZF is a garbage gearbox. Total garbage. Used in pedestrian sedans as a cost cutting tool. Feels underwhelming in every car I've ever driven with it and have driven about 10+ different cars with it.

No manual and no dual clutch = no care. This isn't an enthusiast car it's a marketing exercise.

Apparently a lot of people disagree with you. The ZF is in a number of performance cars including the current M5, next M3, RS5, and Aston Martin DBS Superleggera.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...f-eight-speed/

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by supra93

For those that don't want to read the whole article.

Hard to argue this car isn't great value. I don't care what anyone says, the more I see this car the sexier it looks. It's going to be a head turner so if you don't like attention this car isn't for you.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by 10"

There are a lot of sheep who buy propaganda. The real verdict is in 5 years when they depreciate heavily and their original owners weren't compelled to keep them around...

So pretty well the same as any current M car in general then?

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

So pretty well the same as any current M car in general then?

He's driving a 1M and apparently if it's not a sporty car that's only available in manual and appreciating in value, it's not up to his standards.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

hmmm I wonder why Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, and Lambo (huracan) all use DCT transmissions instead of autos on their sports cars??

ZF is fine for cruising around town. In fact is probably the best automatic on the market. Its great for daily driving.

Not so great as a sports car. There is definite lag on downshifts with every ZF 8 speed I've experienced compared with a DCT.

You are well aware that the needs and constraints of a $2-300k+ exotic are different than those of a $50k “Toyota”

In terms of performance, BMW has judged (right or wrong) that the ZF is also good enough for the Daddy M. Owner reviews I’ve read have been great, so it appears they were right to most people

IMO — the real missing piece here isn’t the DCT, it’s the 6MT I think that’s the more compelling argument instead of splitting hairs between the auto boxes

[Alfisti]

Funny thing is, of those cars int he test, i'd buy the GT350. if just for the noise and fucking obnoxious-nous of the thing.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by 10"

There are a lot of sheep who buy propaganda. The real verdict is in 5 years when they depreciate heavily and their original owners weren't compelled to keep them around...

What does keeping them for 5 years have to do with anything?

I'm 37 years old and never kept any car longer than 3.