[David70]

Originally Posted by Draper

Troll? Do you understand what the word means or not understand what is going on? Until today it showed in his "Garage" he had an X6M, I questioned it and he removed it.

[oolas3]

Tesla in the cold:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-update-review

[Draper]

Originally Posted by David70

Troll? Do you understand what the word means or not understand what is going on? Until today it showed in his "Garage" he had an X6M, I questioned it and he removed it.

Someone who doesn't own a BMW and comes onto a BMW forum to proclaim how amazing their car is, while declaring all BMWs are shit is definitively a troll.

[Unknown_Car]

Originally Posted by Daniel@BMW

The Tesla's are so slow over 100mph though - not that we should be going that fast. Look at their trap speeds, an M5/M6 traps 5-8mph faster than the Tesla.

I have e90 fbo with 3galson of e85. I took my friend with his tesla p90d from 55mph all the way to 120. 2 times in a row. From 30mph he jumps few cars and then i start catching him.

[oolas3]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

I have e90 fbo with 3galson of e85. I took my friend with his tesla p90d from 55mph all the way to 120. 2 times in a row. From 30mph he jumps few cars and then i start catching him.

Did he start overheating do you know? They can only do so many pulls before it becomes a problem.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Lol. This argument and getting really old

Why is that argument getting old.
You're saying yourself that the tesla is the quickest production car in the world.
By quickest you apparantly mean that a 0-60 time or a 1/4 mile time is the definition of quickest.
So all those people going round a track like crazy arent trying to find out who's quickest?
A lot of tech on an m3, or m5 or whatever porsche etc isnt there to make the car accelerate as fast as possible for the 1/4mile, its there to give excellent roadholding/maneuvrebility and stamina. Thats why these cars also get raced.

[Its_lobelt]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Can you plan a trip to Mexico city and back again? Or how about from Oregon to Cancun? Or maybe I feel like driving to visit the Panama canal ?
I can do it in a 30 year old Honda CRX HF which realistically can get me 45 mpg

They invented airplanes for this type of long distance travel. Why would anyone drive to mexico city lol or worse Cancun.

Thats like saying can you drive from Oregon to Europe with a gas powered car? Then declaring a car useless because you can't do it. Makes no sense.

Think what you will of electric cars but they are a ton of fun to drive.

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by ROB_S2K

They invented airplanes for this type of long distance travel. Why would anyone drive to mexico city lol or worse Cancun.

Thats like saying can you drive from Oregon to Europe with a gas powered car? Then declaring a car useless because you can't do it. Makes no sense.

Think what you will of electric cars but they are a ton of fun to drive.

LOL
How ironic
I use airplane for this too

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Why is that argument getting old.
You're saying yourself that the tesla is the quickest production car in the world.
By quickest you apparantly mean that a 0-60 time or a 1/4 mile time is the definition of quickest.
So all those people going round a track like crazy arent trying to find out who's quickest?
A lot of tech on an m3, or m5 or whatever porsche etc isnt there to make the car accelerate as fast as possible for the 1/4mile, its there to give excellent roadholding/maneuvrebility and stamina. Thats why these cars also get raced.

Different purpose of the car
Just like people dont take their MB S-class AMG to the track

Originally Posted by m3m3mr

Did he start overheating do you know? They can only do so many pulls before it becomes a problem.

New P100D has revised pack and cooling
It would be interesting to see how it handles the heat now
I dont track my car personally, so i never had these issues
I'm sure 99%+ cars never see the track

Originally Posted by Draper

Didnt mean to hurt your feelings
Perhaps you're in the wrong thread or section for that matter

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Right now except for 0-50 mph sprints they are still inferior to combustion in every way.
Range
Ease of refueling
Reliability
Cost
Performance besides 0-50
Etc etc etc.

Lets see:
"Range" is about the same as compatible large sedan with V8 (MB S-class,Audi A8, 7-er)
"Ease of refueling" is better for 99% of the time, you fuel at home
"Reliability" (in my example) is a lot better than ICE cars i had, plus no oil changes
"Cost" is about the same as compatible large sedan with V8 (Model S is 60-140K)
"Performance" is about the same or better as compatible large sedan with V8

What else am i missing?

[mirob]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

I'm 6-people household
This rocket is actually pretty comfortable on long trips, even fully loaded
I can also care less about the ring times
I'll never see it. However, it's load of fun for street use. Blows anything on the road
Can't wait to see some fast cars getting humiliated by an SUV

What a whore.







Sorry, couldn't help myself...

[oolas3]

Originally Posted by bb1857

Just another dot on the roadmap for the Tesla proof of concept that their cars are. My ultimate guess is that the car company itself doesn't even exist in 10 years and is sold off sans battery technology to one of the big automakers or even Apple or Google and then Tesla will concentrate on what he really cares about and that's improving the battery for electric vehicles moving forward. Apple or Google could write a check to Tesla for what the company is worth and it wouldn't even show up as a blip on their financial statement but my guess is they would want the battery tech too and I don't see Musk giving that up because that's where he truly sees the future.

He needed a platform to prove that electric cars could work and the big automakers were never going to let him play ball with them so he said fuck you, I'll do it myself. Now that he is proving his concept and getting money from the big automakers because they buy his EV credits to make themselves look more sustainable he can continue down the battery path. Hence the Gigafactory.

What Tesla has done is nothing short of remarkable but I think the legions of fanboys and girls are going to be quite disappointed when their car fails to exist in the somewhat near future.

The guy is clearly smarter than every auto exec in the world and I applaud him for what he has done but I am not giving up my environmental nightmare of a fossil fuel burning rig just yet.

Tesla has never turned a profit and if the Model 3 doesn't change that, it could get ugly much faster than 10 years. Wall Street will only prop this company up for so long without a profit. Musk is burning through money yet some how people think he's a genius for selling cars at a loss.

[yousefnjr]

So much hate for these cars on here, I have to disagree. Model S isn't a race car, it doesn't need to set lap times. It also doesn't need to be able to handle a 1000-mile commute. It doesn't do everything well, no car does (M5's, track specials, and econoboxes included). What it will do is satisfy the daily driving needs of the most people, and if you have a garage at home you'll never need to get gas again. It'll also outrun nearly anything below felony speeds. All without looking like the i3 lol. Won't be buying one myself, but to call a spade a spade... this thing is sweet.

BMW apparently agrees, with rumors pointing to a very Tesla-like ~700 hp pure-EV powertrain in the next-gen i-cars

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by David70

Troll? Do you understand what the word means or not understand what is going on? Until today it showed in his "Garage" he had an X6M, I questioned it and he removed it.

X6M and other bimmer is still showing in my garage
I moved it to retired

Originally Posted by Draper

Someone who doesn't own a BMW and comes onto a BMW forum to proclaim how amazing their car is, while declaring all BMWs are shit is definitively a troll.

So far I haven't trashed BMW in non-BMW section btw
Everyone else, OTOH is bashing Tesla in Tesla's own thread
Who's the troll here?

I've had a few BMWs and still like the brand
I just hope they do BEV so we can have more choices

[docmfg]

I like the concept of electric "sports" cars. Instant go, save on gas, etc. I test drove a P90S with ludicrous mode and it was fun but he negatives for me were the design and cheap interior(yes it was the premium) at it's price point. The car reminds me of the Dodge Intrepid from the 90's. I don't mind driving an ugly fun car as I did own a 2009 C63 sedan but it did not cost 100K+.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by ROB_S2K

They invented airplanes for this type of long distance travel. Why would anyone drive to mexico city lol or worse Cancun.

Thats like saying can you drive from Oregon to Europe with a gas powered car? Then declaring a car useless because you can't do it. Makes no sense.

Think what you will of electric cars but they are a ton of fun to drive.

So you've never heard of 4 best friends taking a road trip to experience the drive and bond?
They also invented artificial VR porn , super safe and no need for protection. Why have sex at all?
You're deflecting the question with an alternative.
Just becuase there IS an alternative, doesn't excuse the Tesla for NOT being able to do said things .

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

LOL
How ironic
I use airplane for this too



Different purpose of the car
Just like people dont take their MB S-class AMG to the track


New P100D has revised pack and cooling
It would be interesting to see how it handles the heat now
I dont track my car personally, so i never had these issues
I'm sure 99%+ cars never see the track



Didnt mean to hurt your feelings
Perhaps you're in the wrong thread or section for that matter




Lets see:
"Range" is about the same as compatible large sedan with V8 (MB S-class,Audi A8, 7-er)
"Ease of refueling" is better for 99% of the time, you fuel at home
"Reliability" (in my example) is a lot better than ICE cars i had, plus no oil changes
"Cost" is about the same as compatible large sedan with V8 (Model S is 60-140K)
"Performance" is about the same or better as compatible large sedan with V8

What else am i missing?

Performance in which aspect?
Comparing a car that simply goes straight very quickly with say a bargain basement mid 90s camaro v8 and it will still be slower around a bend.
Performance means different things to different people.
At best the Tesla makes a great daily driver around town and your immediate living area.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

LOL
How ironic
I use airplane for this too



Different purpose of the car
Just like people dont take their MB S-class AMG to the track


New P100D has revised pack and cooling
It would be interesting to see how it handles the heat now
I dont track my car personally, so i never had these issues
I'm sure 99%+ cars never see the track



Didnt mean to hurt your feelings
Perhaps you're in the wrong thread or section for that matter




Lets see:
"Range" is about the same as compatible large sedan with V8 (MB S-class,Audi A8, 7-er)
"Ease of refueling" is better for 99% of the time, you fuel at home
"Reliability" (in my example) is a lot better than ICE cars i had, plus no oil changes
"Cost" is about the same as compatible large sedan with V8 (Model S is 60-140K)
"Performance" is about the same or better as compatible large sedan with V8

What else am i missing?

Range for combustion, 400-600 miles. Tesla 200 if driven equally the same way as the combustion.
Refueling. Refueling at home I'd fine if you're driving within your limited range daily. I and many drive well beyond that daily. Which means refueling is an extreme difficulty and time consuming because there are little to no refueling spots outside your home. Then you need to drive the extra hour to get to one. Then wait while you charge. Ridiculous.
Cost. You think everyone drives S class mercedes? Compare the tesla 3 to a camry. That's a fair cost comparison. Similar size, similar function. Even with fuel added in you save gobs on a camry. And the average family who makes 50k a year can't afford a tesla initial cost.
Performance I was talking about hitting a corner, accretion at speed, etc. Electrics suck at this. Performance isn't just 0-50.

How about other uses electrics don't do? Number 1 selling vehicle in the US for decades is an f150. I dont see electric pickups. Load capacity, towing. Where's the SUVs? Off road? Convertibles, etc you want to replace combustion that's a whole set of issues not even addressed.

[Unknown_Car]

Originally Posted by m3m3mr

Did he start overheating do you know? They can only do so many pulls before it becomes a problem.

I dont think so, he never mentioned anything about overheating. So i gess it wasent.

[Fundguy1]

Lol. The electric wonder car can't do it's one trick more than once or twice without spontaneous combustion. What I look for in a "sports car" with superior technology.

[bb1857]

Originally Posted by m3m3mr

Tesla has never turned a profit and if the Model 3 doesn't change that, it could get ugly much faster than 10 years. Wall Street will only prop this company up for so long without a profit. Musk is burning through money yet some how people think he's a genius for selling cars at a loss.

I totally agree with you and your point actually makes my point more valid. He doesn't care about selling cars at a loss. He knows Wall Street will keep them propped up on the cult like following alone for many years which gives him time to validate and strengthen his proof of concept, which is that batteries are a very viable option for the future of the car and more(not today but getting close and not for everyone). Once he is happy with where the research is on the battery development I think you will see him dump the car company as fast as possible.

Think about it. Would you rather deal with the incredibly difficult pain in the ass consumer for each and every car sold or would you like to be the worlds largest battery supplier which is an industry that far exceeds that of the automobile industry? I'd take door number two every time and so would most smart businessmen. He will happily take every car companies money when it comes time for them to actually put a viable electric car out there and he will likely own nearly 100% of market share. I would call that absolute genius.

[Greer]

I want one ASAP!

[rex imperatur]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Range for combustion, 400-600 miles. Tesla 200 if driven equally the same way as the combustion.
Refueling. Refueling at home I'd fine if you're driving within your limited range daily. I and many drive well beyond that daily. Which means refueling is an extreme difficulty and time consuming because there are little to no refueling spots outside your home. Then you need to drive the extra hour to get to one. Then wait while you charge. Ridiculous.
Cost. You think everyone drives S class mercedes? Compare the tesla 3 to a camry. That's a fair cost comparison. Similar size, similar function. Even with fuel added in you save gobs on a camry. And the average family who makes 50k a year can't afford a tesla initial cost.
Performance I was talking about hitting a corner, accretion at speed, etc. Electrics suck at this. Performance isn't just 0-50.

How about other uses electrics don't do? Number 1 selling vehicle in the US for decades is an f150. I dont see electric pickups. Load capacity, towing. Where's the SUVs? Off road? Convertibles, etc you want to replace combustion that's a whole set of issues not even addressed.

Stop twisting facts. Model S P100D gets 315 miles per charge compared to BMW M5 338 miles per tank of gas. How's that for a comparison. I don't know where you get the 200 miles figure unless you're talking about the entry level 60 kWh that gets 210 miles. Furthermore, all cars driven hard will suffer in the range they achieve. That reality is as true to EV's as it is to ICE cars. 99% of the time, an EV owner will wake up with a full charge. Now say you wake up in the morning with 315 miles range on your car, under what circumstance will you, out of the blue, need to drive more than that unless you had planned it. If that should ever happen, I'm sure the Supercharger network can address that; or even Chademo quickcharge stations as Teslas have no problem using Chademos.

When Ludicrous speed upgrade was launched, Tesla had promised it to all about 20% faster acceleration to 155 mph, the performance models' top speed. Now with the P100D, that top end power is even more potent. What else need Tesla do to be taken seriously (2.5 0-60, mid 10 sec quarter mile, and quicker acceleration to top speed)? The car is surely not going to massage your feet.

[Its_lobelt]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

So you've never heard of 4 best friends taking a road trip to experience the drive and bond?
They also invented artificial VR porn , super safe and no need for protection. Why have sex at all?
You're deflecting the question with an alternative.
Just becuase there IS an alternative, doesn't excuse the Tesla for NOT being able to do said things .

But presenting extreme circumstances which 99.9% of people won't encounter doesn't help anything either. Point is you can rent a car to make that trek if you really have to.

Im not sure what to make of the VR Porn comment lol.