[G MONEY]

I think we need someone to drop the S-58 into an RS6. Then we are good

[Custom Install]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

It looks Mean AF in Frozen Black…

Frozen deep grey…

[paprmkr]

Originally Posted by cehrl7

This thing is the definition of Fugly. Whom ever buys it has zero taste.

And you have best taste I’m sure.
I love that look. But I shouldn’t because you said right.

[Remigijus]

Despite that weird rear fender transition, looks quite good. Even the sedan this time looks good.

[hufington]

The Touring looks like a fat man's face from behind:

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Custom Install

Frozen deep grey…

Sick I tell you…. Absolutely sick ‼️

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

Agree. I think they really missed the mark with the lack of aggressiveness of the Tourning. It looks like a regular station wagon from the Fords and Toyotas. The RS6 certainly looks the part. Damn, even the G81 M3 looks way better and aggressive compared to this M5 Touring. You can love or hate the M3 front grill but the wagon design is spot on. Hoping they would bring it stateside. So hope more people can buy this M5 Touring so BMW might be comfortable bringing the others

I would have to disagree. Although I find it sad that they made the M5 on a shitty EV platform that forced it to be tall and obscenely heavy and large (and with a fucking hybrid system), I still find the car interesting. It looks quite good to my eye, particularly in louder colors.

The RS6 is so overdone as to look comical, but I suppose it makes sense since it has an anvil out ahead of the front axle and understeer for days. Audi road cars continue to be nothing more than a lifestyle vehicles for doing the shopping rounds, and any connections to motorsport are tenuous at best.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

I think we need someone to drop the S-58 into an RS6. Then we are good

Exactly. And now Audi will have an F1 team, and BMW is long gone. If someone remembers this from back in the days.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by Neusser

The RS6 is so overdone as to look comical, but I suppose it makes sense since it has an anvil out ahead of the front axle and understeer for days. Audi road cars continue to be nothing more than a lifestyle vehicles for doing the shopping rounds, and any connections to motorsport are tenuous at best.

Audi’s no longer have the whole engine in front of them told the axle centerline like they used to. This was required when they essentially had the front differential built into the transmission housing.

The center of the RS6 engine is about centered on the front axle. The RS6 has an 55/45 weight distribution front to rear. Also, the RS6 isn’t very “pushy” like old Audi’s. It will very happily oversteer. On most tracks an RS6 is about 2-3 seconds slower than an F90 M5.

[crypto]

The frozen black looks pretty good. The red one spotted in Monaco looked pretty 🔥 too. I am not a fan of the new generation headlights tough. I think it looks goofy af when they’re on. No hint of aggression.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

Exactly. And now Audi will have an F1 team, and BMW is long gone. If someone remembers this from back in the days.

🤣

[paprmkr]

I notice many people comment as if they going to get one but because of this or that the don’t
Some don’t because the look or mostly weight
I really dont drag racer , track my cars or race period. They are quick even with that weight
I mean if you have $100k plus and want a racer can built one very decent
I get this car because I think it’s very good looking and fast enough for me heck my i5M60 is very quick for me plus mostly cus it’s a BMW.
Would also look great in my garage
But everyone has there views. No wrong answer here. Just cus I like it doesn’t make you worse or better than me. Like some comment here.
Let’s enjoy the cars
Can’t wait to be able test drive one.

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by Neusser

I would have to disagree. Although I find it sad that they made the M5 on a shitty EV platform that forced it to be tall and obscenely heavy and large (and with a fucking hybrid system), I still find the car interesting. It looks quite good to my eye, particularly in louder colors.

The RS6 is so overdone as to look comical, but I suppose it makes sense since it has an anvil out ahead of the front axle and understeer for days. Audi road cars continue to be nothing more than a lifestyle vehicles for doing the shopping rounds, and any connections to motorsport are tenuous at best.

I was just commenting on the styling of thr RS6 and the G81 M3 compared to the M5 Touring. Since BMW is bringing back the touring to the US after a long time, would have hoped for a better, more agressive look for the M5 than what this is. If it was just a 5 series touring, it wouldnt have mattered. But M should mean something and looks and styling are important. Thats all

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by Crazy1323

Audi’s no longer have the whole engine in front of them told the axle centerline like they used to. This was required when they essentially had the front differential built into the transmission housing.

The center of the RS6 engine is about centered on the front axle. The RS6 has an 55/45 weight distribution front to rear. Also, the RS6 isn’t very “pushy” like old Audi’s. It will very happily oversteer. On most tracks an RS6 is about 2-3 seconds slower than an F90 M5.

55/45 is a recipie for understeer. And Quattro is still agricultural, even with the sport diff.

Audi has made only slight improvements to weight distribution, and only on some models. There is a mag over here that publishes all of the weight distributions for every car they test, and most Audis are still at 56-57 percent.

That an RS is still stuck at 55 is comical. They just don't care, because they know their customers are not really keen drivers. They make lifestyle vehicles.

[[/:\] GP9000]

Looks like it‘ll eat Autobahn for breakfast. Fast.

Perfect 'bahn stormer and family hauler

[AVB-AMG]

I really wanted to like the 2025 BMW M5 Touring (G99)….

After seeing the photos and a couple of YouTube videos of the world reveal of the 2025 BMW M5 Touring (G99) at Pebble Beach in mid-August, I was let down and disappointed, but held out hope that the vehicle would look better, once I saw it in person. Also, I have some major concerns with the decision by BMW to make the G99 a PHEV.

In early Sept. I attended a limited visit to the BMW Port Elizabeth Vehicle Delivery Center (VDC), in Elizabeth, NJ, conducted by the BMW CCA. I was pleasantly surprised to see that BMW USA had brought both of the same BMW M5’s, sedan and touring that were at Pebble Beach, to now display on the VDC floor for us. Being able to see the actual vehicle up front and close, as well as to sit in it, my earlier concerns were sadly confirmed. We all know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to my eye, the vehicle does not look better in person and the design miscues at both the front and rear of the vehicle exacerbate the other major issues that I have with the G99. As a long-term loyal BMW enthusiast owner, I really wanted to like and place an order for a custom build 2025 BMW M5 Touring, but alas, sadly it is not for me. I wish you all the best in making your choices... Here are my subjective thoughts on the G99:

Design – Front End: The G99’s front end, while not employing the cartoonish, exaggerated “buck-tooth” kidney grill” that has been so controversial on some other recent BMW models, is still most unfortunate. To me, there seems to be some practical elements that are missing, and the entire composition appears unfinished. The choice to make the front lower bumper/diffuser look like it was influenced by Star Wars Darth Vader helmet is very awkward and most unfortunate. But the most disconcerting choice was to create two, very large, side-by-side clear openings for forced air cooling of the multiple radiators deeply recessed behind them. I understand the functional need to provide as much cooling as possible, but realistically the G99 is not a race car and very few will ever be tracked. That part of the front end seems to be missing some important aesthetic and functional elements. Most perplexing is that there is no metal or plastic grillage insert inside the upper portion of the grill of either horizontal or vertical slats to better define the grill. Nor are there any below inside those deep recesses, making for a giant open vacuum cleaner or silly opened-mouthed appearance, IMHO. From a real-life practical standpoint, those exposed radiator fins will quickly be damaged from kicked up road debris and stones, as well as to be a repository for sucked up tree leaves when driving on any back roads during the fall season. Finally, I think the overuse of gloss piano black plastic looks cheap and would much prefer either a gloss or matte black carbon fiber option instead.

Design – Rear End: The G99’s rear bumper valence is an unnecessarily a ridiculous 2” thick element finished in gloss piano black, that appears very heavy and protrudes way too much. It is interrupted in the center by a silly divider painted in the body color, that appears as some sort of unfortunate automotive loin cloth / G-string element. This trim piece does not need to be so pronounced and would also benefit by being offered in either a gloss or matte black carbon fiber as an alternative optional choice.

Propulsion System: The new G99 is a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle, (PHEV). While there are clearly advantages and disadvantages to this type of propulsion, in the long term, it is a transitionary approach between traditional ICE and full EV propulsion systems, until the battery technology evolves further allowing for lighter batteries, less susceptible to degradation from extreme temperatures, salt water, faster charging and further range ability for EV’s. For anyone who plans to keep their vehicle for 8-10 years, I would be concerned about the long-term reliability and associated repair costs with the complexity of the combined PHEV/ICE elements. At this point in time, I am more comfortable getting a new vehicle that has just an ICE propulsion system that has most likely closely reached its pinnacle of technological evolution. That, plus the fact that in the U.S., the gasoline retail supply infrastructure and repair network is everywhere, while it will still take quite a few years for the electrical charging stations to be installed to make driving an EV a practical road trip / vacation vehicle.
Also, when asked, BMW executives told me that the G99 Touring will be shipped with the current recharging SAE J1772 connector plug, not the North American Charging Standard (NACS) that Tesla has and most European automobile manufactures, including BMW, have commited to migrating to. G99's will not incorporate the NACS connector until the 2026 model year. Do you really want to order a new 2025 model year vehicle that will have an obsolete connector plug?

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by 14Down

I don't like the new 5 design for many reasons but others do. Taste is subjective.

I test drove the XM when it first came out at one of those M Town events at a dealer close to us and told the BMW Reps that I didn't know who their target market was, but that a near 6,000 pound car was not an M car regardless of its label. Having said that, after the resounding (not) success of the XM and all the BMW cost cutting, they had a powertrain that they needed to amortize so they used it for the M5. I would have preferred some improvements to the last powertrain and a savings of about 1,000 pounds. BMW also said they will decide whether to bring future Touring models based on the sales of the M5 Touring. I fear that they will condemn all future Tourings due to the overweight M5 design. They should have brought an M3 or an M340i Touring instead if they were serious about the Touring option.

To those who intend to order an M5, enjoy your cars, and please buy the Touring version so we can get them in something lighter in weight!

I don't get the complaints about weight for a car like this. It's not going to be tracked and for the type of driving it's meant for, the weight is not likely to matter. You would need to drive it to determine if you can "feel" the weight, and if it drives great that's all that matters. I don't think anyone buying a M5 touring has the expectation of 911 GT3 handling. The handling of the G99 has to be compared to other performance wagons.

[SFT33]

Originally Posted by Crazy1323

Audi’s no longer have the whole engine in front of them told the axle centerline like they used to. This was required when they essentially had the front differential built into the transmission housing.

The center of the RS6 engine is about centered on the front axle. The RS6 has an 55/45 weight distribution front to rear. Also, the RS6 isn’t very “pushy” like old Audi’s. It will very happily oversteer. On most tracks an RS6 is about 2-3 seconds slower than an F90 M5.

No it’s not. 😂

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by SFT33

No it’s not. 😂

I’ve had my RS6 for about 3 years now. I’m pretty sure I know how it drives at this point.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by AVB-AMG

I really wanted to like the 2025 BMW M5 Touring (G99)….

After seeing the photos and a couple of YouTube videos of the world reveal of the 2025 BMW M5 Touring (G99) at Pebble Beach in mid-August, I was let down and disappointed, but held out hope that the vehicle would look better, once I saw it in person. Also, I have some major concerns with the decision by BMW to make the G99 a PHEV.

In early Sept. I attended a limited visit to the BMW Port Elizabeth Vehicle Delivery Center (VDC), in Elizabeth, NJ, conducted by the BMW CCA. I was pleasantly surprised to see that BMW USA had brought both of the same BMW M5’s, sedan and touring that were at Pebble Beach, to now display on the VDC floor for us. Being able to see the actual vehicle up front and close, as well as to sit in it, my earlier concerns were sadly confirmed. We all know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to my eye, the vehicle does not look better in person and the design miscues at both the front and rear of the vehicle exacerbate the other major issues that I have with the G99. As a long-term loyal BMW enthusiast owner, I really wanted to like and place an order for a custom build 2025 BMW M5 Touring, but alas, sadly it is not for me. I wish you all the best in making your choices... Here are my subjective thoughts on the G99:

Design – Front End: The G99’s front end, while not employing the cartoonish, exaggerated “buck-tooth” kidney grill” that has been so controversial on some other recent BMW models, is still most unfortunate. To me, there seems to [...]

The EU is not switching to NACS, they currently mandate CCS2, which is different (smaller and lighter) from the CCS plug in N. America. There is zero reason to be concerned about what type of plug a PHEV has, it doesn’t ever need to fast charge, even on a road trip. I have no concerns about the J1772 plug as that is what both of my current EVSEs have. You may not like the M5 itself, but please don’t spread misinformation regarding charging.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

The EU is not switching to NACS, they currently mandate CCS2, which is different (smaller and lighter) from the CCS plug in N. America. There is zero reason to be concerned about what type of plug a PHEV has, it doesn’t ever need to fast charge, even on a road trip. I have no concerns about the J1772 plug as that is what both of my current EVSEs have. You may not like the M5 itself, but please don’t spread misinformation regarding charging.

This!!

The J1772 and the North American Charging Standard (J3400) are mechanically the same from an AC standpoint, and this car can’t do DC charging. (Technically J3400 can handle 277v and J1772 is only rated for 240 volts, but unless you’re using 3-phase 480v power to charge this doesn’t matter.)

Generally to go from one to the other you just need a simple adapter that makes one connector physically fit the other plug. It is not a converter. The communication protocols are exactly the same.

If it is that big a deal, I don’t see any technical reason why you would not be able to simply swap the J1772 plug with the part from a 2026 model if they switch to J3400. It should be a simple “plug-and-play” and the part shouldn’t even be that expensive.

[vansonrider]

Here is my take.

I lived in Germany for 5.5 years and lusted over a fast wagon. While living there I bought a very used Audi A6 Avant in 2015. It was so cool to me being from the US because it was different. Forbidden fruit to us North Americans. She didn't last long because of a catastrophic engine issues that was not worth fixing on a car that old. A few years pass and I want a fast car or wagon that I could afford and bring back to the US with me when I moved back. There was only one wagon option at the time. The MB E63 AMG wagon. Way out of my budget then. Nothing else was available at the time. So I bought a new 2018 M550 and had it modified by a German performance shop, 110K miles and going strong. It's been a great car but it lacks some utility. I'm not a SUV guy.

So here we are in 2024 and there are two options for fast wagons and the Volvo V60 isn't one of them. The RS6 and now the M5 Touring. The repair shop owner said the RS6 will be a maintenance nightmare, and yes I think it looks cool. They service BMW, Audi and VW. So I'm sure he knows what he's talking about. Plus it's priced too high for me. Plus I drive my cars a lot so putting a ton of miles on a RS6 no bueno! So here we are, I have one option and I want it, the M5 Touring. We'll see if I can get one. If you see a M5 Touring in North America in the future with two Yeti mountain bikes on it it's me!