[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

I always enjoy watching/reading when people on the internet (or in person, even better then) refuse to admit they are wrong, and instead double down and make themselves look even more foolish.

I don't know you. You don't know me.

If I said I read something, I read it. My ego is not so fragile that I double down on anything. In fact, I have positioned myself in life to tell almost anyone in the world to go piss up a rope.

I read it. I would bet my only daughters' life on it. That is how sure I am. Please see the last sentence in the above paragraph and conduct yourself accordingly.

Cheers-mk

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

Give it a rest.

Please see my response to Dave 90TT

Cheers-mk

[Mandi90TT]

Oooh, a triple dog dare!

Sure you read it. People also believe the moon landing was faked, that GWB pushed the detonators on the explosives in the Twin Towers, and that Elvis shot JFK.

[Mandi90TT]

As an addendum, if you can find and link to said article, I will retract my statements and give you an apology. Otherwise, you are just looking more and more foolish.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

Oooh, a triple dog dare!

Sure you read it. People also believe the moon landing was faked, that GWB pushed the detonators on the explosives in the Twin Towers, and that Elvis shot JFK.

No.
A fact. I'm not some kook. I am a veteran and a responsible member of society who has achieved much through clear headed thinking, hard work, being a member of great teams and a bit of luck. If I am wrong. I will apologize. But I am not.

The events that you mentioned are simply white noise and frankly, insulting.

I work in the scientific world. Your opinions don't matter to me, at all. Why don't you take the variables that I mentioned in the post and perform the calculation that I mentioned.

Cheers-mk
P.S. I have to go and take my brother, who is recovering from a stroke, back home. I'll deal with this insulting stupidity later.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

No.
A fact. I'm not some kook. I am a veteran and a responsible member of society who has achieved much through clear headed thinking, hard work, being a member of great teams and a bit of luck. If I am wrong. I will apologize. But I am not.

The events that you mentioned are simply white noise and frankly, insulting.

I work in the scientific world. Your opinions don't matter to me, at all. Why don't you take the variables that I mentioned in the post and perform the calculation that I mentioned.

Cheers-mk
P.S. I have to go and take my brother, who is recovering from a stroke back home. I'll deal with this insulting stupidity later.

See, here's the funny thing. I'm also a veteran, a retired Marine, in fact. (not that our veteran status has anything whatsoever to do with the conversation nor does your brother's stroke, both of which were obviously used to try and solicit sympathy/understanding, and both, completely, totally irrelevant)

What is relevant is that I have a BS in Physics and an MS in Comp Sci and have done the calculations you asked, well before you asked. KE=0.5mv^2, yeah, I know that one, and a couple of others, as well. The tree wins. The 928 loses. The tree even remains standing.

Your opinions don't matter to me, at al

Well, if that were true, you probably wouldn't be responding.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Ok.

I READ this first in C and D OR R and T a Loooooonnnggggg time ago and the memory was triggered when I read post number 3 in this thread. I got it off Rennslist. Not from the person who has the screen name caranddriver. Additionally, I didn't participate in auto forums until Feb of 2011. I am not a member of Rennlist. I REMEMBERED reading it in one of those two mags and attempted to reference the report. This was the first reference I found.

Wow. Please read.

If necessary I can dust off my physics, look up the respective densities of the trees mentioned in the report, compute the amount of energy contained in a 1500kg object moving at approximately 80 m/s with an impact area of approximately 50 sq cm on a fixed object (the tree).

And please understand..except in the most dense of materials, there is more 'space' in a 'solid' material than actual material. Additionally, when extreme velocities and energy levels are involved, materials become plastic and as they say, 'almost anything goes'. This is how you end up with 2x4s penetrating trees during hurricanes and/or tornados.

Cheers-mk

Just in case you want to get confused with some facts from an actual magazine article from a trusted magazine, here is a link you should check out. Scroll to the bottom and you will see the result of a high speed crash of an M3 into a tree. Not a 18" tree mind you; just a whimpy little 12" tree that didn't budge while the M3 hit it so hard the M3 broke into 2 pieces.

No please go find a real source for this story from long ago so we can all learn the truth. No more physics lessons please.

BTW, RIP Daniel Portela

http://bmwmag.com/?m=201101&paged=11

[larryn]

Can this get taken to PM (if needed, and it is probably not needed)?

I once read an article about arguing on the internet....

As for the intent of this thread, I would like the governor removed, as I have hit the limiter at the track on a handful of occasions. Sure, most tracks don't have enough running room for our cars to hit 155, but quite a few still do.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

See, here's the funny thing. I'm also a veteran, a retired Marine, in fact. (not that our veteran status has anything whatsoever to do with the conversation nor does your brother's stroke, both of which were obviously used to try and solicit sympathy/understanding, and both, completely, totally irrelevant)

What is relevant is that I have a BS in Physics and an MS in Comp Sci and have done the calculations you asked, well before you asked. KE=0.5mv^2, yeah, I know that one, and a couple of others, as well. The tree wins. The 928 loses. The tree even remains standing.



Well, if that were true, you probably wouldn't be responding.

Lol. What tree density did you use?

Oh. You didn't.
Solve the entire problem if you can actually think for yourself. Next.
I don't need anyone's sympathy, especially yours. I was letting you and the other gentleman know that I was off doing something more important and would be back.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

Just in case you want to get confused with some facts from an actual magazine article from a trusted magazine, here is a link you should check out. Scroll to the bottom and you will see the result of a high speed crash of an M3 into a tree. Not a 18" tree mind you; just a whimpy little 12" tree that didn't budge while the M3 hit it so hard the M3 broke into 2 pieces.

No please go find a real source for this story from long ago so we can all learn the truth. No more physics lessons please.

BTW, RIP Daniel Portela

http://bmwmag.com/?m=201101&paged=11

Again. Read.

An impact at the base of the tree, where the strength of the exposed tree is highest, is not what happened here. Additionally, the car's initial impact was, from the pictures, seems to be at the longitudinal midpoint (the middle of the side of the car). These situations are not analogous.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Again. Read.

An impact at the base of the tree, where the strength of the exposed tree is highest, is not what happened here. These situations are not analogous.

Whatever. Let us know when you actually find the article. Until then, its just your trusted source the guy named caranddriver lol.

I really do wish you well. Good night.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by larryn

Can this get taken to PM (if needed, and it is probably not needed)?

I once read an article about arguing on the internet....

As for the intent of this thread, I would like the governor removed, as I have hit the limiter at the track on a handful of occasions. Sure, most tracks don't have enough running room for our cars to hit 155, but quite a few still do.

Generally running in the 2nd to highest gear will bypass the limiter. I did this in my M6 prior to having the car derestricted.

Cheers-mk

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

Whatever. Let us know when you actually find the article. Until then, its just your trusted source the guy named caranddriver lol.

I really do wish you well. Good night.

Wow. Again, read.
I got it from Rennlist and it was posted by a different user. Here is the link.

http://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum...a-crash-4.html

As a service to you, please PM me your contact information. My mom has a PhD in early childhood development and is a reading specialist. You are in dire need of her assistance.

Cheers-mk

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Wow. Again, read.
I got it from Rennlist and it was posted by a different user. Here is the link.

http://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum...a-crash-4.html

As a service to you, please PM me your contact information. My mom has a PhD in early childhood development and is a reading specialist. You are in dire need of her assistance.

Cheers-mk

How does that posting on Rennlist prove anything? It is someone quoting a magazine article - not the magazine article.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

How does that posting on Rennlist prove anything? It is someone quoting a magazine article - not the magazine article.

Sigh.
I proved that his basic information is incorrect. I stated that I got it from Rennlist and the gentleman persisted in stating that it was from user caranddriver from an unknown board.

[Mandi90TT]

Every post makes you look more like an idiot

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

Every post makes you look more like an idiot

Ah.
Descending into name calling. My estimation of your IQ is diminishing by the second. My estimation of your EQ could not be lower.

Cheers-mk

P.S. Do you need me to send you a chart of the densities of various species of trees? You will need it to complete your homework. Lol.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Wow. Again, read.
I got it from Rennlist and it was posted by a different user. Here is the link.

http://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum...a-crash-4.html

As a service to you, please PM me your contact information. My mom has a PhD in early childhood development and is a reading specialist. You are in dire need of her assistance.

Cheers-mk

Although I did not think it was possible, your posts are deteriorating. Its really best that you step away from the keyboard and take a deep breath.


Reducing your discussion to what kind of specialist I need is really not necessary.

Good night. All the best to you.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Ah.
Descending into name calling. My estimation of your IQ is diminishing by the second. My estimation of your EQ could not be lower.

Cheers-mk

P.S. Do you need me to send you a chart of the densities of various species of trees? You will need it to complete your homework. Lol.

Sure, send me a chart. Please send me all your equations, because right now, based on your posts and lack of understanding, I doubt you have even bothered to match units, much less understood all that is in play here.

You know what, though, don't bother. I don't need to bother to goad you into making you even less and less intelligent. You are doing a fine job yourself.

By the way, I thought you claimed you read about that incident in Car and Driver, or Road and Track? Still don't see a link to that. Rennlist doesn't count.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

Just in case you want to get confused with some facts from an actual magazine article from a trusted magazine, here is a link you should check out. Scroll to the bottom and you will see the result of a high speed crash of an M3 into a tree. Not a 18" tree mind you; just a whimpy little 12" tree that didn't budge while the M3 hit it so hard the M3 broke into 2 pieces.

No please go find a real source for this story from long ago so we can all learn the truth. No more physics lessons please.

BTW, RIP Daniel Portela

http://bmwmag.com/?m=201101&paged=11

I am responding to this. Please don't lob an insult and expect a null response.
Cheers-mk

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

Sure, send me a chart. Please send me all your equations, because right now, based on your posts and lack of understanding, I doubt you have even bothered to match units, much less understood all that is in play here.

You know what, though, don't bother. I don't need to bother to goad you into making you even less and less intelligent. You are doing a fine job yourself.

By the way, I thought you claimed you read about that incident in Car and Driver, or Road and Track? Still don't see a link to that. Rennlist doesn't count.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wo...sity-d_40.html
Fast enough for you?

I will contact the magazines in question and seek the news report.

Now...get to your homework. And the mere fact that you did not include the density of the species of wood in question tell me that you are not a thorough problem solver. It would be a basic variable and necessary to get the, 'answer' you claimed.

Cheers-mk

P.S. Please read my original Post #8. I later said where I originally read the article and that the Rennlist copy was the most convenient one. As I offered the other gentleman, please PM my your contact information and I will refer you to my mom to assist you in both reading and reading comprehension.

[The Wind Breezes]

I just came into this thread and by all means, each party to this argument has made himself look thoroughly like an idiot. Congrats guys.