[BMW F22]

Is it considered littering when people throw stuff out like that?

[davis449]

Originally Posted by 2msport

Vapor from a Vape is actually not just water vapor. Scientists are still trying to figure out what exactly is in the vapor. Preliminary studies are finding it's quite harmful. Like, cigarette harmful minus the tar.

This is flat out FALSE. Period. Bring any of those retarded "studies" in here and I can show how EASILY debunked and full of shit it is. My absolute favorite of these, so far, is the one espousing about toxic metals in e-cig vapor. Then, when you dig into the study, you find that their data shows the concentrations of all cited toxic metals were LESS than the content of each in the same volume of regular outside air.

My second favorite is the one where they showed "alarming" levels of formaldehyde present in the inhaled vapor. Then you do some research on the study only to find out they were using amounts of heat no e-cig was capable of producing in the first place (including those retarded "mod" ones people build for massive vape clouds). You could modify one to approach those levels, but it would taste so nasty no one would EVER want to do it again.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Smoking is totally disgusting, and a detriment to your and others around you health. Shit should be banned from society for all I care

Sounds like you hate freedom. Banning freedoms is what Socialism is all about!

Obesity is totally disgusting, and a detriment to your health and others around you health. Shit should be banned from society.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Maynard

Ask your dad about something called asthma, or copd. THOSE people really are coughing their damned lungs out over your 'free' air pollution, not just trying to make a lefty statement. And you know it isn't so benign, else why isn't it good enough for little junior? Quitting is hard, but very worthwhile, best of luck.

quit long time ago now! was an old post ha. actually vaping but my nicotine level already went down from 18mg to 12mg and now currently at 6mg. Next step is 3mg and then 0mg and then no more.

but it's a free world so people can smoke if they want and not feel bad about it even if someone walks by and coughs intentionally lol.

when i did smoke, i made sure to do it in an open space away from people, not in walking in front of people walking up the parking structure stairs or something like that. that was my point.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Sounds like you hate freedom. Banning freedoms is what Socialism is all about!

Obesity is totally disgusting, and a detriment to your health and others around you health. Shit should be banned from society.

same with alcohol.

as i said i did quit smoking but i still enjoy my cigars once in a while.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Sounds like you hate freedom. Banning freedoms is what Socialism is all about!

Obesity is totally disgusting, and a detriment to your health and others around you health. Shit should be banned from society.

Yeah whatever you want to call it. I'll be a SOCIALIST just for you. Just banish the shit from earth! Some fat ass choosing to stuff their face and not exercise does NOT fuk with the Ozone or my breathing or my overall way of life so save your petty political satire.

[Katin]

Smokers are NEAT!
They smell neat, look neat and have cool raspy voices. Also they are good at littering, assuming someone else's cig butt started that grass fire.

[2msport]

Originally Posted by davis449

This is flat out FALSE. Period. Bring any of those retarded "studies" in here and I can show how EASILY debunked and full of shit it is. My absolute favorite of these, so far, is the one espousing about toxic metals in e-cig vapor. Then, when you dig into the study, you find that their data shows the concentrations of all cited toxic metals were LESS than the content of each in the same volume of regular outside air.

My second favorite is the one where they showed "alarming" levels of formaldehyde present in the inhaled vapor. Then you do some research on the study only to find out they were using amounts of heat no e-cig was capable of producing in the first place (including those retarded "mod" ones people build for massive vape clouds). You could modify one to approach those levels, but it would taste so nasty no one would EVER want to do it again.

Such a definitive stance you have there. I agree I may have alluded that E-cigs have the same number of harmful chemicals as regular cigarettes. And that most likely is just not true. However after seeing article after article over the past 3 years warn about potential dangers I'm not sure how you could automatically think of e-vapor as "harmless water vapor". (As it's marketed) On the flip side, I agree some of the warnings are probably precautionary without evidence, but like the study you mentioned there are reasons to be alarmed. Case in point; I asked my friend who vapes daily and he uses a voltage of 4-5.5. (and so do his friends) They say it tastes just fine. That voltage range has been shown to produce that formaldehyde you argue isn't an issue. Regardless of the specifics, I argue nothing is definitive at this point. They are still researching and the verdict is not out. It's presumptuous to assume otherwise. There are so many manufacturers of the juice, theres no way they are all created equal. E-cigs are relatively new; it can take years to research the true health effects of anything.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Yeah whatever you want to call it. I'll be a SOCIALIST just for you. Just banish the shit from earth! Some fat ass choosing to stuff their face and not exercise does NOT fuk with the Ozone or my breathing or my overall way of life so save your petty political satire.

Well it certainly does with socialized healthcare. The fat asses will cost as much or more than the smokers ever will. 1st you remove the right to smoke becuase you force Healthcare on the people. Then you have to go after the fatties. Downward spiral my friend. Maybe we can all get to a point where we have to eat right, think right, and breath right to be a member of society or face fines.

[EL Jeffe 5]

yeah I agree with you them fucker have no respect for others
my brother in law "quit smoking cigarets" but started vaping now he feels like he can smoke inside my house, It fucking irritates me so bad but I don't wanna say nothing he even vapes on from of my children.

[BMW F22]

It's almost as bad as when you're on vacation and you try to take a photo of something, and then there are a bunch of tourists that would just get right in front of you to take their own photos. They simply just don't give a crap about the fact that they are blocking your view. Lol

[Dshady]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Yeah whatever you want to call it. I'll be a SOCIALIST just for you. Just banish the shit from earth! Some fat ass choosing to stuff their face and not exercise does NOT fuk with the Ozone or my breathing or my overall way of life so save your petty political satire.

Wow, my brain hurts reading this. Someone vaping or even smoking "fuks" with your way of life???

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Dshady

Wow, my brain hurts reading this. Someone vaping or even smoking "fuks" with your way of life???

Oh my bad I meant to say... Used to. Since my city has banned all forms of smoking in restaurants and bars and most public places.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

[Dshady]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Oh my bad I meant to say... Used to. Since my city has banned all forms of smoking in restaurants and bars and most public places.

That is great, maybe they can ban speaking in public so you don't hear something you disagree with as well. Where does it stop....

[davis449]

Originally Posted by 2msport

Such a definitive stance you have there. I agree I may have alluded that E-cigs have the same number of harmful chemicals as regular cigarettes. And that most likely is just not true. However after seeing article after article over the past 3 years warn about potential dangers I'm not sure how you could automatically think of e-vapor as "harmless water vapor". (As it's marketed) On the flip side, I agree some of the warnings are probably precautionary without evidence, but like the study you mentioned there are reasons to be alarmed. Case in point; I asked my friend who vapes daily and he uses a voltage of 4-5.5. (and so do his friends) They say it tastes just fine. That voltage range has been shown to produce that formaldehyde you argue isn't an issue. Regardless of the specifics, I argue nothing is definitive at this point. They are still researching and the verdict is not out. It's presumptuous to assume otherwise. There are so many manufacturers of the juice, theres no way they are all created equal. E-cigs are relatively new; it can take years to research the true health effects of anything.

Every single one of those studies in the past 3 years has been proven to be bullshit or using methods that the devices aren't capable of producing in the hands of humans (i.e. the suction rate applied, specifically, in the formaldehyde study). I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Do your research:

Peyton agreed with Pankow. He also pointed out that the high temperatures to which the element heated e-cigarette additives—over 600 degrees celsius—resulted in the creation of molecules not previously seen.

That's straight out of the NEJM published report. 4.5-5.5v won't heat to that temp. Not even close. Also, where did I mention a study in which the dangers weren't completely debunked again? Did you even read my post? The reference to my post you are making concern the metals and the levels were the same as the AIR breathed outside, and in many cases, inside. What part of that do you take issue with? If you do, I advise you stop breathing immediately. You might get cancer.

Professor Peter Hajek: Formaldehyde in e-cigarettes: expert responds

When a chicken is burned, the resulting black crisp will contain carcinogens but that does not mean that chicken are carcinogenic. Without overheating the e-liquid, no formaldehyde was detected. Vaping may not be as safe as breathing clear mountain air, but it is much safer than smoking. It would be a shame if this study persuaded smokers who cannot or do not want to stop smoking and contemplate vaping that they might as well stick to their deadly cigarettes.

Yep, BAN ALL FUCKING CHICKEN. OMG, WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

[Eau_Rouge111]

It's all Obama's fault!

[BMW F22]

Was on an on ramp in line to get on freeway. Fcking PT Cruiser in front first threw out a fast food bag, then one of those nuggets sauce containers, then finally what looked like a shake (you can see it in the pix). All this within a minute. Wtf??!! Is it just simply a total disregard for the environment and everyone else that shares it?

[eluded]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

Beside the fact that it could have gone into my intake

[Samurai of 2day]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

Was on an on ramp in line to get on freeway. Fcking PT Cruiser in front first threw out a fast bag, then one of those nuggets sauce containers, then finally what looked like a shake (you can see it in the pix). All this within a minute. Wtf??!! Is it just simply a total disregard for the environment and everyone else that shares it?

This is disgusting. Where are the cops when you need 'em?

Oh sorry... cop car is being towed so all crime is permitted until further notice.

[Kolyan2k]

It's usually not normal people, just human trash....

[CO_Steve]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

Was on an on ramp in line to get on freeway. Fcking PT Cruiser in front first threw out a fast food bag, then one of those nuggets sauce containers, then finally what looked like a shake (you can see it in the pix). All this within a minute. Wtf??!! Is it just simply a total disregard for the environment and everyone else that shares it?

I've always wanted to scoop this kind of stuff up and toss it back into their car. "Excuse me, you dropped this".