[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by larryn

Fact checking tells otherwise. Samsung kills Apple phone sales:


You can find other quarters with equal splits. This was the most recent I could easily find.

Samsung sells a lot of phones NOT named Galaxy/Note, which is what I said.

n00b

[larryn]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

Samsung sells a lot of phones NOT named Galaxy/Note, which is what I said.

n00b

Prove your statement then. Show me where you know that iPhones globally "sells much more" than Galaxy/Note. I don't see it, and looked, because your statement surprised me.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by larryn

Prove your statement then. Show me where you know that iPhones globally "sells much more" than Galaxy/Note. I don't see it, and looked, because your statement surprised me.

Apple sold 231m iPhones in 2015 (they only make the iPhone and MOST of their sales were iPhone 6/6s/6 Plus/6s Plus). Find a breakout that shows Samsung selling over 231m Galaxies and Notes in 2015 and you'll be pronounced right. I couldn't care less about Samsung sales that aren't Galaxies and Notes.

I own over 2,000 shares of AAPL and I'm intimately aware of phone sales.

[larryn]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

Apple sold 231m phones in 2015. Find a breakout that shows Samsung selling over 231m Galaxies and Notes.

I own over 2,000 shares of AAPL and I'm intimately aware of phone sales.

You're the one who made the statement that I called out as bogus, not me. You prove it.

Here's one that shows just smartphone sales, comparing companies (and removes the many dumbphones that Samsung sells globally). Samsung still kills Apple.



Where's your proof? Btw, this chart is from MacRumors, not a Android fansite... Source is Strategy Analytics

[doogee]

From IDC:

"Samsung retained its number one position in the worldwide smartphone market with a 22.8% share in 2016Q2. This retention of position comes in the midst of a YoY growth of 7.7%. This is largely attributed to the success of the new Galaxy S7 and Galaxy S7 Edge flagship devices."

"Apple shipped a total of 40.4 million units, which is a 15% decline year on year from 2015Q2. The new iPhone SE did well in both emerging and developed markets. The iPhone 6s was its best-selling device globally, followed by the SE and 6s Plus."


Comparing all iPhones to just Samsungs Galaxy and Note series is not fair. Apple hangs onto their older devices and the iPhone SE doesn't fall into the same category.

But in the end, it doesnt matter for us consumers

Competition ftw.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by larryn

You're the one who made the statement that I called out as bogus, not me. You prove it.

Here's one that shows just smartphone sales, comparing companies (and removes the many dumbphones that Samsung sells globally). Samsung still kills Apple.



Where's your proof? Btw, this chart is from MacRumors, not a Android fansite... Source is Strategy Analytics

That says Smartphone VENDOR, not necessarily meaning "Smartphones" only. I don't give a shit what you what you think. I'm not wrong unless you prove it and this just shows Samsung shipped more phones, which I already know.

For Apple, it's still more about the suppliers for their phones, quality control, and not just throwing out crap to see what sticks than their "lack" of innovation, which was my original point.

Apple destroys Samsung (and every company) in what matters anyway...profit.

[larryn]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

That says Smartphone VENDOR, not necessarily meaning "Smartphones" only. I don't give a shit what you what you think. I'm not wrong unless you prove it and this just shows Samsung shipped more phones, which I already know.

For Apple, it's still more about the suppliers for their phones, quality control, and not just throwing out crap to see what sticks than their "lack" of innovation, which was my original point.

Apple destroys Samsung (and every company) in what matters anyway...profit.

I see, you cannot prove your statement. Sounds like you threw that out as well to see if it would stick.

[JohnnyCanuck]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

People like iPhones because they are fast, easy to use, and durable. Apple's user experience IS better than Samsung and it really isn't close.

People who like iPhones like iPhones because they're used to iPhones. It's just that simple and Apple caters directly to that familiarity at the expense of making a great product. You might not like TouchWiz, but there are plenty of other flavours of Android around ... not to mention that you can create pretty much your own entire user experience by choosing different launchers.

I've used all of them, including BB10 and WP8.1. No question that those two kill anything produced in Cupertino but they aren't really viable options for other reasons. Personally, I will take Android with Action Launcher over iOS any day, but that's personal preference. Apple shoves their closed an proprietary hardware and software down a compliant user base's throat because it's good business. It works for them. Don't confuse that with a quality product because it's a completely different thing.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by doogee

From IDC:

"Samsung retained its number one position in the worldwide smartphone market with a 22.8% share in 2016Q2. This retention of position comes in the midst of a YoY growth of 7.7%. This is largely attributed to the success of the new Galaxy S7 and Galaxy S7 Edge flagship devices."

"Apple shipped a total of 40.4 million units, which is a 15% decline year on year from 2015Q2. The new iPhone SE did well in both emerging and developed markets. The iPhone 6s was its best-selling device globally, followed by the SE and 6s Plus."


Comparing all iPhones to just Samsungs Galaxy and Note series is not fair. Apple hangs onto their older devices and the iPhone SE doesn't fall into the same category.

But in the end, it doesnt matter for us consumers

Competition ftw.

The thing is, I think Samsung sells phones like its galaxy S3 and super old stuff for longer periods because they are in so many emerging markets who buy $150 phones. This inflates their numbers and doesn't cause them to run into the same issues I discussed about cutting edge tech and having a supplier that can produce enough of it, consistently, with very low rejects.

A major reason Apple hasn't gone to QHD AMOLED is because they couldn't get a supplier to manufacture them to their specs and the volume required. Samsung owns its own production of AMOLED displays, while Apple relies on suppliers.

My whole point was Apple cannot just "do whatever" like throw in AMOLED because they rely on suppliers. They also give a shit if it works well or not.

[doogee]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

That says Smartphone VENDOR, not necessarily meaning "Smartphones" only.

Smartphone Vendor means exactly that. The market share data we've been posting is just for smartphones...lol

[doogee]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

A major reason Apple hasn't gone to QHD AMOLED is because they couldn't get a supplier to manufacture them to their specs and the volume required. Samsung owns its own production of AMOLED displays, while Apple relies on suppliers.

I don't doubt that. In my opinion QHD is kind of silly on a phone. Coming from a Nexus 6P to my 6s Plus, I didn't see much of a difference. Higher res just takes more power to run.

OLED would be quite nice on the iPhone though!

[dreamingat30fps]

[Beartato]

Totally just preordered one of these, I'm excited. I've had an iPhone 6 since it came out, but before that I had a Samsung S3 so I haven't used Android in a while.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by larryn

Fact checking tells otherwise. Samsung kills Apple phone sales:


You can find other quarters with equal splits. This was the most recent I could easily find.

But apple makes all the profits, I see you subscribe to the MBA school measure of success, he who sells more and makes no money wins, verse the guy who takes home all the profits and has the biggest bank account.

Being a market share winner no longer translate into being the winner over all, The idea of making it up on volume no longer works when you are in a race to the bottom of who can sell it for less.


So do you want to the guys with the biggest bank account or the guy with the bragging rights he sold more.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

That says Smartphone VENDOR, not necessarily meaning "Smartphones" only. I don't give a shit what you what you think. I'm not wrong unless you prove it and this just shows Samsung shipped more phones, which I already know.

For Apple, it's still more about the suppliers for their phones, quality control, and not just throwing out crap to see what sticks than their "lack" of innovation, which was my original point.

Apple destroys Samsung (and every company) in what matters anyway...profit.

You are correct, Samsung numbers include all the phones they make and sell and at last count it was close to 200 models and it is believe most of them are feature phones which happens to use Android OS so IDC and others companies lump them into smart phones since they have Android OS. Samsung never shares the actual break down of the numbers. These company do distribution channel surveys to some how determine the numbers. They are all guesses, Apple is the only company who reports the the total numbers, but they do not split the numbers out.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

Yes, I agree. However, Apple doesn't make display technology for example. They need suppliers.

Agree, but I can guaranty you that Apple does in fact design their displays, they just do not manufacture them. This way no one sell the same display Apple uses, they are unique to Apple's design requirements.

It is only the Me too companies out their like all the Chinese knock off company they use what is available in the market and slap them together to make a me too product, they have all kinds of great spec which is mostly useless.

[aozer]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Agree, but I can guaranty you that Apple does in fact design their displays, they just do not manufacture them. This way no one sell the same display Apple uses, they are unique to Apple's design requirements.

It is only the Me too companies out their like all the Chinese knock off company they use what is available in the market and slap them together to make a me too product, they have all kinds of great spec which is mostly useless.

I think Analog Devices designs the apple displays.

[dsad1]

Originally Posted by Maestro

But apple makes all the profits, I see you subscribe to the MBA school measure of success, he who sells more and makes no money wins, verse the guy who takes home all the profits and has the biggest bank account.

Being a market share winner no longer translate into being the winner over all, The idea of making it up on volume no longer works when you are in a race to the bottom of who can sell it for less.


So do you want to the guys with the biggest bank account or the guy with the bragging rights he sold more.

Samsung might not be making more money than Apple in their mobile division, but Samsung makes a whole lot more than Apple as a whole. Don't forget that Samsung profits in some way or form from every Iphone sale.

[csu87]

so funny when you see the Apple fanboys get their panties in a bunch...

Ive been using both Apple and Android (mainly Samsung) daily for the last 5 years. Iphones for work, Android for personal. I also had the very 1st Iphone, and kept buying Iphones up to the 4 before switching to Android for personal use. I've had every Iphone except the 7, and wont get the 7 because of the lack of a headphone jack.

IMO, the Android is just so much better for everyday tasks and multitasking, where the Iphone is better for those that just want to make calls, text, email (although i much prefer the Android native email app vs the iphone) and play games. It is a very simple phone, and that appeals to a lot of people.

The android does a lot better surfing the internet, google maps >>> whatever the fuck the iphone uses (iphone nav always sends me on some weird route), and swype text is a way easier and efficient way of typing.

Both the Iphone 6 and the S7 I currently have need to be charged daily, and both have batteries that last about the same amount of time. Only difference is with the S7 i can fast charge and be back to using it where the iphone takes about twice the time to charge. Iphone screens tend to break easier as well. I go through 2-3 screens on my work phone/year and 1-2 on my personal phone, and in general, the casebacks tend to be more brittle. Never had a Samsung bend while in my pocket like my old 6s did...

Back to the topic at hand, Google needs to shoot to be the Samsung killer and not the iphone killer. Samsung killed the iphone years ago.

[VRG_135]

Originally Posted by doogee

Sure sells well for such a "crap" device. Great you like your Samsung, but a lot of people don't like those!

You're forgetting the main feature of an iPhone which is the software, which I can guarantee you is made by Apple

Do you really think the components in your Samsung are all made by Samsung?

My thoughts exactly!

[doogee]

Originally Posted by csu87

The android does a lot better surfing the internet, google maps >>> whatever the fuck the iphone uses (iphone nav always sends me on some weird route), and swype text is a way easier and efficient way of typing.

-Google Maps is on the iPhone
-Swype text is also on the iPhone

Been a while since you turned it on?

[csu87]

Originally Posted by doogee

-Google Maps is on the iPhone
-Swype text is also on the iPhone

Been a while since you turned it on?

just today the routing differences between the iphone and android were completely different.

Im talking native apps, not the apps you can go get on the app store.

yes you can download both google maps and google keyboards, but according to most iphone users, google software is inferior.