[R N M]

LC competes with old 6 series / new 8series not i8. i8 is a hybrid sports car that costs $150k

[R N M]

All the Lexus cars / suvs are rebadged Toyotas. Their powertrains are over 15yrs old and the tech inside is even worse!

They are lucky that cheap lease deals on RX/ NX/ES are driving sales.

IS, GS, RC, LS sales are pitiful

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by R N M

All the Lexus cars / suvs are rebadged Toyotas. Their powertrains are over 15yrs old and the tech inside is even worse!

Sort of like a BMW is a rebadged MINI. I hate Lexus, but you make some sketchy arguments.

I already showed you that LS sales aren't that far behind 7er sales and the last model was weak, the new one will likely return to being stronger than the 7er, much like it has been for its life.

[Red Bread]

Since BMW outsold Lexus by 553 sales in 2017, it's probably worth looking at the breakdown, but bear in mind that the X1 is considered a car and sold nearly 31k in 2017.

BMW cars - 202,201
BMW trucks - 103,484
BMW ttl - 305,685

Lexus cars - 104,290
Lexus trucks - 200,842
Lexus ttl - 305,132

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Since BMW outsold Lexus by 553 sales in 2017, it's probably worth looking at the breakdown, but bear in mind that the X1 is considered a car and sold nearly 31k in 2017.

BMW cars - 202,201
BMW trucks - 103,484
BMW ttl - 305,685

Lexus cars - 104,290
Lexus trucks - 200,842
Lexus ttl - 305,132

The BMWs are not rebadged Toyotas!

You do realize the following:
RX = Highlander
NX = RAV4
LX = Land Cruiser
GX = Prado
ES = Avalon / Camry
IS / GS = Crown

Cheapest X5 is more expensive than top of the line RX.

The transaction prices of Lexus sales are much lower than BMW so those numbers don't mean anything.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Sort of like a BMW is a rebadged MINI. I hate Lexus, but you make some sketchy arguments.

I already showed you that LS sales aren't that far behind 7er sales and the last model was weak, the new one will likely return to being stronger than the 7er, much like it has been for its life.

How is BMW rebadged Mini??? Lol
BMW owns Mini and bought them out. BMW makes all the decisions!

Toyota controls Lexus 100%.
Thats why Lexus has no sports cars, convertibles, new powerful engines, nothing to compete with M or AMG.

Audi has pretty much replaced Lexus as the 3rd true mainstream luxury brand.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by R N M

The BMWs are not rebadged Toyotas!

You do realize the following:
RX = Highlander
NX = RAV4
LX = Land Cruiser
GX = Prado
ES = Avalon / Camry
IS / GS = Crown

Cheapest X5 is more expensive than top of the line RX.

The transaction prices of Lexus sales are much lower than BMW so those numbers don't mean anything.

This would be true bar the X1 and now X2 being rebadged Minis.

[wdb]

Rebadged Toyotas! Pleasepleaseplease tell me where to get the Toyota version of the LC.

I'm probably right smack in the heart of the demographic for this car. I'm looking for something luxurious, comfortable, and accommodating for long distance touring for two people and their stuff. But it still has to scratch my car geek itch. A true GT in other words.

The LC appears to come close in some regards, but misses in others. It has the lines! But I hate that grille and those wheels. The back seat is useless for anything larger than a small dog, so why not let it fold down and provide some more storage space? And so on.

Major kudos to C&D for an excellent review process.

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by R N M

How is BMW rebadged Mini??? Lol
BMW owns Mini and bought them out. BMW makes all the decisions!

Toyota controls Lexus 100%.
Thats why Lexus has no sports cars, convertibles, new powerful engines, nothing to compete with M or AMG.

Audi has pretty much replaced Lexus as the 3rd true mainstream luxury brand.

Start supplying some hard numbers to back up your overly simplistic blanket statements, or people are basically going to consider you a reactionary blowhard ... oh, wait ...



#NumbersDontLie

(Oh, and by the way: A1 = VW Polo, A3 = Golf, A4 = Passat/CC, Q7 = Touareg/Porsche Cayenne. Everybody's doin' what Lexus does because, you know, it works if done right.)

[R N M]

Originally Posted by wdb

Rebadged Toyotas! Pleasepleaseplease tell me where to get the Toyota version of the LC.

I'm probably right smack in the heart of the demographic for this car. I'm looking for something luxurious, comfortable, and accommodating for long distance touring for two people and their stuff. But it still has to scratch my car geek itch. A true GT in other words.

The LC appears to come close in some regards, but misses in others. It has the lines! But I hate that grille and those wheels. The back seat is useless for anything larger than a small dog, so why not let it fold down and provide some more storage space? And so on.

Major kudos to C&D for an excellent review process.

The LC for its HUGE size and weight will not fit a suitcase for 2 people.
I was shocked when i saw the size of the trunk.

The LC and new LS share the platform, not sure what JDM Toyotas will use this platform as well. I think the new Crown uses a different one.

[TXSTYLE]

I have been up close and personal with a few. Honestly, there are not many cars short of Exotics with as much "road presence and curbside appeal" IMO. Definitely eyeballing one at some point. The rock solid brand build quality is just icing on the cake.

[Never_Enough]

They look sexy for sure, but the drivetrain just is not there for the money. Needs a lot mo powa! They are heavy pigs.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Never_Enough

They look sexy for sure, but the drivetrain just is not there for the money. Needs a lot mo powa! They are heavy pigs.

It's a f****** GRAND TOURER! Not a Track Machine!

For what it was built for, it checks off ALL of the boxes.

Also known as the "Japanese Aston Martin".

[Ali Shiralian]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

I have been up close and personal with a few. Honestly, there are not many cars short of Exotics with as much "road presence and curbside appeal" IMO. Definitely eyeballing one at some point. The rock solid brand build quality is just icing on the cake.

I beg to differ,

Jaguar F-Type S similar power and price to the LC but miles sexier and sounds even better.

[Ali Shiralian]

Honestly, no competition between an F-type and LC and I love both brands.

[Performancedieselpros]

I personally had the privilege to ride in a Lexus LFA one time, and holy cow everything else is just a copy cat lol!

Car so powerful the man (chief of R&D) who invented and designed it was killed in a wreck.

Seen one of the above mentioned Lexus, and first thing I thought was "moot" on to the next one.....

[TXSTYLE]

I have always been a fan of the F Type. It continues to be one of my faves on the road.
The LC is even sexier though!

[Red Bread]

F Type is sexy, but has a half wit V6 or a Land Rover V8. The Lexus is a much more interesting design, to my eyes.

[IllSic_Design]

I saw a yellow LC at a local cars and coffee a month or two back and it did absolutely nothing for me. It definitely didn't look like an exotic, actually looked kind of cheap like a Kia or something. Not impressed at all.

[Ali Shiralian]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

I have always been a fan of the F Type. It continues to be one of my faves on the road.
The LC is even sexier though!

Well looks are subjective I guess but if you think LC is sexier or has better road presence than the F-type I'm afraid you're in the minority. I own the F-type and test drove the LC and it's not even comparable. One thing that I give the LC better mark is its interior. It's sublime.

[Ali Shiralian]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

I saw a yellow LC at a local cars and coffee a month or two back and it did absolutely nothing for me. It definitely didn't look like an exotic, actually looked kind of cheap like a Kia or something. Not impressed at all.

I totally agree. Seeing it in the Lexus showroom didn't do anything for me. It did less after I test drove it.

[boca1]

sorry, I can't stand the looks of the new lexus