[TajoMan]

Originally Posted by evanevery

Most actual EV owners charge their cars at home and at night. This is precisely when the demand on the infrastructure is lowest and correspondingly why the rates are often cheaper during those times. A high power level 2 charger draws only 32-40A. This is typically easily offset by the dormancy of a household at night.

Most owners can charge their EV at home because most of them have their own garage.
It works that way now.

If more than 50% of the cars are replaced with EV, then situation will be totally different.
Not all of them have their own garage.

Also, 40A all night is actually quite a bit.
Most of the older cities will need new power grid.

If EV work for you that well, why aren't all of your vehicle EV?
It works because you have other cars.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by eau_rouge

This is not really relevant for both parties - not the commuters and especially not the "road-trip" guys.

Commuter: has an average of, lets say 40 miles per day. Can charge his car every night at home or at the office, so it does not make sense for him that he can charge in 3 minutes

Road-Trip or Business trip: has an average of 300 miles and has to stop to "fill up". You need one minute at a gas station and still a lot of time even with this new "method". 3 minutes for 100km is nothing. It still needs around 15 minutes to charge it for like 300 miles.

Where is the benefit? If you are traveling for 100 miles with an electric vehicle, I am pretty sure it's already fully loaded. And for a longer road-trip you have to charge up for 20 minutes during the stop anyway.

While I see your point, its still not always true. Its like if your iphone can charge in only 15 minutes, why have a version that can charge in 3 minutes because it takes 15 minutes to cook an omelette. The cars charged here are not charged to full in 3 minutes they are just getting 100 km. To get the full capacity of say 400 km, it will take maybe 10 minutes, sure you may often only need 100 miles to get to your destination. But that destination may not have a charger, you may take another route when returning home, so if it can charge faster (and it doesnt hurt battery longevity) then it is worth exploring.

I hate all the snobs (not referring to the post i am replying to) who act like people concerned with charging are wimps that need to suck it up. Spare us your stories of how brave you are. EVs arent for everyone, and the versions available right now definitely arent for everyone.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eDrive

That's simply a story. We'll have to wait and see what really happens.

Yet the Porsche claim is not "just a story"? LOL

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/mo...ng-gas-engines


How expensive? As I mentioned, you’ll need about 60 50kW rechargers to replace one fuel pump; about eight of the 350kW variety for every pump. That, as I mentioned, would mean 960 of the low-powered 50kW units at each rest stop and 128 of the high-tech 350kW versions. Have I mentioned that even those low-powered 50kW fast chargers cost about $40,000 apiece? One of those faster-charging 350kW items? About two hundred large. Faster-charging automated versions would cost upward of a half-million each.

Hence my question... How much per kilowatt will the price be? On the order of gasoline?

And you didn't even delve into the maintenance of such heavy equipment.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yet the Porsche claim...

Dude wtf does Porsche have to do with the GM crap you posted lol

Porsche is not stupid. GM however is more than half asleep.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Dude wtf does Porsche have to do with the GM crap you posted lol

Porsche is not stupid. GM however is more than half asleep.

Dude, Porsche doesn't yet even have an EV out in the market. And it's Parent company just got butt fucked over its diesel-gate fiasco.

GM produced a modern EV 22 effing years ago to meet Cali CARB mandates, yet the rest of the US market had no interest in it. GM's first extended-range EV was released for sale in December 2010 (quick math for you, that was 8 years ago). Porsche was still making an egg-shaped car that it first introduced in 1965 to the US. Porsche had to introduce a shared-platform SUV in 2003 to survive as a car company. GM created the first "modern" SUV arguably in 1967 with the 6th generation Suburban (the '66 Ford Bronco might qualify too).

WTF are you talking about " a story"? LOL

[Efthreeoh]

In the USA the average price of electricity is 10.5 cents per kWh. At an average price of $2.40 for regular gasoline, the kWh price of gasoline is 7.1 cents per kWh. Gasoline is a far better fuel format for on-board energy storage.

Anyone with a brain (vs. some stupid emotional tie to trying to save the planet) would conclude the solution to the problem is to increase the efficiency of burning gasoline for motive power.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Always amazed how many people predicting that EVs will take over the market neglect the millions and millions of people that use on-street parking and have zero ability to charge at home. Not everyone can charge at home people!

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Dude, Porsche doesn't yet even have an EV out in the market. And it's Parent company just got butt fucked over its diesel-gate fiasco.

GM produced a modern EV 22 effing years ago to meet Cali CARB mandates, yet the rest of the US market had no interest in it. GM's first extended-range EV was released for sale in December 2010 (quick math for you, that was 8 years ago). Porsche was still making an egg-shaped car that it first introduced in 1965 to the US. Porsche had to introduce a shared-platform SUV in 2003 to survive as a car company. GM created the first "modern" SUV arguably in 1967 with the 6th generation Suburban (the '66 Ford Bronco might qualify too).

WTF are you talking about " a story"? LOL

I guess reading > you.

Maybe go back and read what you posted before you act like a little b.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by eDrive

I guess reading > you.

Maybe go back and read what you posted before you act like a little b.

Uh huh; killer comeback.

[JMon]

Wouldn't it be cool to have these fast chargers at various tracks?
I'd love an electric Porsche that can be charged adequately between outings....

That is the problem that needs to be solved for Tesla when they claim their model 3 performance is faster than an M3 around a track. M3 owners reply: maybe for 1 30 min outing, and you're done for the day....

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by JMon

Wouldn't it be cool to have these fast chargers at various tracks?
I'd love an electric Porsche that can be charged adequately between outings....

That is the problem that needs to be solved for Tesla when they claim their model 3 performance is faster than an M3 around a track. M3 owners reply: maybe for 1 30 min outing, and you're done for the day....

Good point but I don't even think it would be quicker for 30 minutes. Probably more like 10 minutes.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Good point but I don't even think it would be quicker for 30 minutes. Probably more like 10 minutes.

My two cents, EV's have no soul......ICE, that's got some soul my friend, old school. The smell of gas and oil, rowing the gears the sound, that's where it's at. But I'm a Grumpy old man.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

My two cents, EV's have no soul......ICE, that's got some soul my friend, old school. The smell of gas and oil, rowing the gears the sound, that's where it's at. But I'm a Grumpy old man.

You know what, that's fine, enjoy that without regrets. I often attend oldtimer race events and love the raw, loud and highly emissive action there.

But wheel of the future is E-driven, nobody can hold back that revolution. Everyone having a wire to the industry knows that.
And the signs are clear: SMART will terminate all ICE variants by 2020, VW sets up a whole new entry level E-class, Porsche and Mercedes have made clear announcements regarding their coming EV lineup.
It will go faster and faster now. ICE will soon be very uncool. And that's good news for the kids of tomorrow.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by BigT

You know what, that's fine, enjoy that without regrets. I often attend oldtimer race events and love the raw, loud and highly emissive action there.

But wheel of the future is E-driven, nobody can hold back that revolution. Everyone having a wire to the industry knows that.
And the signs are clear: SMART will terminate all ICE variants by 2020, VW sets up a whole new entry level E-class, Porsche and Mercedes have made clear announcements regarding their coming EV lineup.
It will go faster and faster now. ICE will soon be very uncool. And that's good news for the kids of tomorrow.

I'll be long dead before my 993 isn't cool.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Good point but I don't even think it would be quicker for 30 minutes. Probably more like 10 minutes.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

30 minutes is not ridiculous but 10 minutes is.

The Tesla Model 3 has a 310 mile range.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by OnerDriver

I think you're the one that has no idea...

Perhaps research battery overheating, and come back.

Why don't you... Search away.

The car's battery will not be depleted by 30 minutes of track time.

Tesla's battery chemistry is very well thought out and the Model 3 packs are the most advanced of all.

[JMon]

Also the battery packs tend to be liquid cooled. The tesla actually runs a cooling program during charging especially fast charging as the batteries tend to get a little toasty. I think the car can also use its AC system to further cool the loop if needed.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by eDrive

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

30 minutes is not ridiculous but 10 minutes is.

The Tesla Model 3 has a 310 mile range.

Perhaps you are the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.

Quote from a Model 3 track test...

"having plugged in overnight and immediately hit the track with a full 310 miles of range, we could have run just over 30 full-speed laps before needing to unspool the extension cord. Right?

Not exactly. Heat buildup is inevitable. After three or four laps the car begins to reduce power output."

How much time do you figure 3 or 4 laps is? I'm being generous in saying 10 minutes. That's why I'm pointing out that in say, 10 minutes of track time the Model 3 will no longer be competitive with a M3 and you'll be in 4-cylinder Honda Accord territory until the car cools down.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by OnerDriver

https://jalopnik.com/here-s-what-hap...-th-1827321127

Now go troll somewhere else kids.

Listen old man.

Those are last Gen batteries.

They just keep getting better and better.

I will gladly buy a PHEV M-Car for daily and track duty.

By the time you're dead and gone we'll have full electric M-Cars.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Listen old man.

Those are last Gen batteries.

They just keep getting better and better.

I will gladly buy a PHEV M-Car for daily and track duty.

By the time you're dead and gone we'll have full electric M-Cars.

PHEV M-car? Sounds super heavy. But I digress...

Perhaps the future will deliver EVs that can lap a road course with the same speed and endurance as a ICE-powered vehicle, but we simply aren't there yet. Not even close.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by eDrive

Listen old man.

Those are last Gen batteries.

They just keep getting better and better.

I will gladly buy a PHEV M-Car for daily and track duty.

By the time you're dead and gone we'll have full electric M-Cars.

Was this directed at me? That may be true, but I'm also not holding my breath and while we wait my 993 keeps going up in value and from where I sit your EV whatever will depreciate faster than it'll go 0-60.