[SonnyJack]

Has Bottas raced himself out of a job? Effort seemed very pedestrian.

K-Mag complaining about his car being awful to drive after he totaled it the day before. Gunther seemed more than a bit peeved. Maybe Bottas can have that seat next year?

[NickyC]

What a joke, where the hell is Seb supposed to go. Just when you think this joke of a sport can't go any lower.

[Fliplegend]

Guess we're not allowed to have racing incidents any more.

[fanatic1]

The stewards have all the telemetry, all we see are steering inputs in the replay. VET has a tendency of staying in the throttle and likely contributed to the unsafe reentry.

In the end, it was still a fun race to watch, but we all wanted to see the winner decided on track, not by the stewards.

[///M Power-Belgium]

[hellrotm]

Yes Vettel lost control of his car which caused him to unsafely re-enter the track. Therefore a penalty. He went all the way left to right. He did also technically cut the corner.

Not lifting going off doesn’t help his case. He clearly was attempting to stay in front while going off. You can see him still in it as he switches back to asphalt, he then loses the rear.

All this doesn’t happen if Vettel doesn’t bend yet again under pressure.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by fanatic1

The stewards have all the telemetry, all we see are steering inputs in the replay. VET has a tendency of staying in the throttle and likely contributed to the unsafe reentry.

In the end, it was still a fun race to watch, but we all wanted to see the winner decided on track, not by the stewards.

+1

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by NickyC

What a joke, where the hell is Seb supposed to go.

Staying on track is a start.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Staying on track is a start.

Well it's "racing" (I know this is a foreign term to F1 for what, nearly 5 years now?) and shit happens. He didn't gain an advantage by going over the grass and he sure as hell wasn't in total control of the car when he moved over to the right. It's complete bullshit he was penalized and is the absolute last thing this non competitive shitty ass sport needed right now.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by fanatic1

The stewards have all the telemetry, all we see are steering inputs in the replay. VET has a tendency of staying in the throttle and likely contributed to the unsafe reentry.

In the end, it was still a fun race to watch, but we all wanted to see the winner decided on track, not by the stewards.

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Yes Vettel lost control of his car which caused him to unsafely re-enter the track. Therefore a penalty. He went all the way left to right. He did also technically cut the corner.

Not lifting going off doesn’t help his case. He clearly was attempting to stay in front while going off. You can see him still in it as he switches back to asphalt, he then loses the rear.

All this doesn’t happen if Vettel doesn’t bend yet again under pressure.

I kinda get what some are seeing here. He lost control on the transition off the grass, because he didn't lift. I thought about if this was practice how would he have approached the off? He would have completely lifted at the first apex of the chicane knowing he wasn't making the second apex. He would not have entered the track out of control. Well the Vettel fans then say "it is a race". Exactly it was a race, he took a gamble and stayed on the load pedal through the grass. It didn't work out resulting in him shooting across the track on entry. I guess I see both sides. Unfortunate for Ferrari I think they have a curse this season.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by SonnyJack

Has Bottas raced himself out of a job? Effort seemed very pedestrian.

K-Mag complaining about his car being awful to drive after he totaled it the day before. Gunther seemed more than a bit peeved. Maybe Bottas can have that seat next year?

Haas will definitely have driver changes in the off season. It would be interesting to see either Newgarden or Rossi in one of those seats eventually.

[BeeMdblU]

Hamilton did the same to max a couple years ago in Monaco and the stewards brushed it off

[Rich.Wolfson]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Vettel...”Where the hell was I to go?”

How about don’t go off the track in the first place.

Vettel was in complete control. He went right on purpose and knew exactly what he was doing. I also think the 5 second penalty is arbitrary. Why not 4 or 6? I also hate pit road penalties. He should have simply been told to let Hamilton pass and then have at him. THAT would have been a show.

I hate it when the car that gets the checkered, is not the winner. We had that in the Kentucky Derby too.

///Me

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by Fliplegend

Guess we're not allowed to have racing incidents any more.

They should probably just penalize for any off track excursions, any contact, and institute a two spin DQ rule and point by passing only. We don't want these guys pushing harder than 8/10ths. This is an HPDE event after all. It's clearly very dangerous when the drivers pour their hearts into a race, even when they don't even so much as bump wheels in an incident...oh Hamilton had to brake :-( poor guy. Yea, Vettel should've let him past and stopped trying to be such a professional racecar driver by trying to and successfully recovering...

I love how upset every single F1 commentator seemed about it, because they are true race fans.

[yco]

this is the full description of FIA's penalty decision.. says: "The stewards reviewed video evidence and determined that Car 5, left the track at turn 3, rejoined the track at turn 4 in an unsafe manner and forced car 44 off track. Car 44 had to take evasive action to avoid a collision." in short its unsafe entry and blocking.. why there is a need of braking because of blocking to pass.. take it easy guys..

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/s...lised/4461267/ ..

wish HAM could had a chance again to pass then this penalty d make no difference.. im saying it again.. this penalty is not right 100% but no one can tell everything was totally super ok also..

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by Rich.Wolfson

He should have simply been told to let Hamilton pass and then have at him. THAT would have been a show.

This is exactly what should have happened and there would have been "no further action" for the investigation. But Ferrari thought there wasn't going to be a penalty applied for the pretty obvious blocking so here we are. Any other track or corner, Hamilton would have been able to pass Vettel and Vettel would have been able to chase him down and win. The Ferrari had much better race pace.

The stewards were placed in a bad situation and I don't blame them for their decision.

[E90SLAM]

The stewards took the text of the rule and apply the appropriate penalty. By book, Vettel DID indeed rejoined the track in an unsafe manner.

But IMO, I do not think that was the spirit of the rule. The intent to make this rule was to penalize drivers who went off track and decide to rejoin the track in an unsafe manner. Especially the tarmac run-offs, not gravel nor grass. So the driver can still have control of the car and apply any brake or steering to rejoin safely.

When the Ferrari back steps out slightly and went on to the grass run-off. The car had lost quite a bit of control, and Vettel was fighting to regain control. Hamilton saw the opportunity and went for it, didn't think of how much the Ferrari was still under control. Vettel could've easily crashed into the wall, or even collect Hamilton with it!

By the rules, it was a penalty, although it was harsh IMO.

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by Ximian

This is exactly what should have happened and there would have been "no further action" for the investigation. But Ferrari thought there wasn't going to be a penalty applied for the pretty obvious blocking so here we are. Any other track or corner, Hamilton would have been able to pass Vettel and Vettel would have been able to chase him down and win. The Ferrari had much better race pace.

The stewards were placed in a bad situation and I don't blame them for their decision.

Even if Vettel had let Hamilton pass, the stewards can still apply the same penalty. The infringement was for "rejoining the track in an unsafe manner", not "going off-track and gain an advantage".

[mk1-fan]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

The stewards took the text of the rule and apply the appropriate penalty. By book, Vettel DID indeed rejoined the track in an unsafe manner.

But IMO, I do not think that was the spirit of the rule. The intent to make this rule was to penalize drivers who went off track and decide to rejoin the track in an unsafe manner. Especially the tarmac run-offs, not gravel nor grass. So the driver can still have control of the car and apply any brake or steering to rejoin safely.

When the Ferrari back steps out slightly and went on to the grass run-off. The car had lost quite a bit of control, and Vettel was fighting to regain control. Hamilton saw the opportunity and went for it, didn't think of how much the Ferrari was still under control. Vettel could've easily crashed into the wall, or even collect Hamilton with it!

By the rules, it was a penalty, although it was harsh IMO.

Well said, and my sentiments exactly.

[Twt]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Yes Vettel lost control of his car which caused him to unsafely re-enter the track. Therefore a penalty. He went all the way left to right. He did also technically cut the corner.

Not lifting going off doesn’t help his case. He clearly was attempting to stay in front while going off. You can see him still in it as he switches back to asphalt, he then loses the rear.

All this doesn’t happen if Vettel doesn’t bend yet again under pressure.

A great driver, with a superior car, doesn't drive his mirrors, freak out and end up in the grass. I promise you if Hamilton left the track and returned to cut off Vettel the fans would be furious. I viewed this result as poetic justice....Vettel has shown us he is not the best at handling pressure so this is what happens. I was at the race and the roar of booing at Lewis was childish....he did not cause the incident and he did not impose the penalty....he was a victim of circumstances , none of which were his doing.

[overcoil]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

The stewards took the text of the rule and apply the appropriate penalty. By book, Vettel DID indeed rejoined the track in an unsafe manner.

But IMO, I do not think that was the spirit of the rule. The intent to make this rule was to penalize drivers who went off track and decide to rejoin the track in an unsafe manner. Especially the tarmac run-offs, not gravel nor grass. So the driver can still have control of the car and apply any brake or steering to rejoin safely.

When the Ferrari back steps out slightly and went on to the grass run-off. The car had lost quite a bit of control, and Vettel was fighting to regain control. Hamilton saw the opportunity and went for it, didn't think of how much the Ferrari was still under control. Vettel could've easily crashed into the wall, or even collect Hamilton with it!

By the rules, it was a penalty, although it was harsh IMO.

What's happening in lesser racing series, around the world, cars were going off losing speed and returning onto the track at a crawl or spinning mud coated wheels while another car was arriving on the scene at top speed. And there were subsequently brutal crashes.
In some series at the start you can't make any passes until you pass the start/finish line, even if two cars tangle along the grid and a back car swerves around, they will penalize that car that swerved to avoid incident. So, that's how serious track stewards are with unsafe re-entry - and maybe that is why top tier drivers try not to scrub off too much speed when missing a chicane.

[E90SLAM]

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