[11jot]

Not cool!

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by rlmesq

Harley-Davidson, as a company, is actually very similar to people who have phony M badges. Both are taking an inferior vehicle and trying to turn it into a status symbol with a nameplate.


Many of the metric cruisers are much better bikes than a Harley. HD is trying to modernize its lineup, but most buyers still want an air-cooled 45 degree V-twin that's been around for a hundred years. The design places many limits on performance, and most of Harley's innovations have been work-around for the inherent inferiority of a 45 degree v-twin. They would be better off starting from the ground up... but people still want the traditional HD sound.

Look at the V-Rod. It had a water-cooled 60 degree twin that was jointly developed with Porsche and based on a superbike development project. It is a much better motor than the old Harley standard, but nobody bought it, so they stopped making it.

Same with the XR1200, which was a flat track style bike. They built a whole US Superbike racing class around it, with only a few parts required to make it race legal. Again, it died from lack of interest.

Man, do you have this completely wrong. Harley Davidson is a culture, a cultural icon, and a brand that has stayed true to its roots. While the shared-pin, 45 deg. V-twin has some design limitations, Harley does extract a lot of power from it, or a better way to say it, adequate power to satisfy its customers needs.

Meanwhile, BMW has turned the M Brand, arguably a culture and cultural icon too, into some whored-up caricature of itself that is so far from it's roots it might as well just be a tee-shirt. X6M? Really? What in common is there between an E30 M3 and a fucking 5,800-pound SUV?

I am an owner of such a metric cruiser of which you speak. I have a 20-year old Honda Valkryie Interstate. Back in the day it rode circles around the Electra Glide of the era. Its Goldwing-based flat-six made about twice the horsepower as the Evolution V-Twin in the late 1990's. I bought the Valk because in 1999 there were wait lists for Harleys and a flat-6 is a superior engine design, yet Honda only still makes its Icon 'Wing, while the full-dress Valkyrie Interstate was a lovely inverted-fork, large sport bike, bagged anomaly.

If I were to replace the Valk, I'd probably get an Electra Glide. The Indian Chief is a bit too retro styled for me. The modern Harley is what BMW should have done with the M version of the 3-series IMO.

[N54Yankee]

Pathetic

[ShocknAwe]

Just look 'em dead in they eye and say "Hey, didn't know they made the M3 with single exit exhaust. Nice car man."

They know what they did.

[mikesx4911]

They are gay!!!

[Mach550]

Don't really care about it, don't think it's a positive addition though.

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Confession: I have silly daydreams of replacing the Toyota badges on the new Supra with Roundels. 🤭

This is a legitimate dream.

[Kraftwerk]

I don't lose sleep over it. I absolutely don't care enough to start ANOTHER thread about it.

[jkoral]

Didn't want to start a new thread -- a family member took a picture of the Ultimate Poseur Machine (probably assuming it was a special model).

M4 GT4 stickers on their base 4-series Coupe (doesn't even have the M-Sport package).

[jmg]

We are burdened with knowledge and self respect.

[Seeyal]

Would be more fun to put a 328i on an M3... But again, most people outside the BMW world do not have a clue of the different models in any series...

We typically call those people badging up "poseurs" in French

[RnmEvo9]

I have a 335i sedan that had a horrendous wing on it thanks to the previous owner. I bought an oem trunk from a 328i and put that on my 335i.

Yes, there are a lot of people out there who don't know how to differentiate between models.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by jkoral

Didn't want to start a new thread -- a family member took a picture of the Ultimate Poseur Machine (probably assuming it was a special model).

M4 GT4 stickers on their base 4-series Coupe (doesn't even have the M-Sport package).

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The 1 represents the drivers penis size in inches.

[itsglen]

I question who struggles more...the person that puts an M badge on their car or the person that has an issue with it

**edit**
I'll add I think it's the person that takes issue with it while the person sporting the badge is doing what they want without concern the person that posts, points, questions - is the one struggling :-(

Negative opinions abound - i get it - but the bigger question that needs to be answered is....why do you care? We can post away about what we "think" their motivation is but you'll never get it right because everyone has their own reasons..so maybe ask yourself (and share) why do you give 2-sh*ts

I spend a lot of time in SoCal, I drive down PCH I enjoy looking at the ocean, I enjoy the cars around me, why in the hell should I care if a BMW drives past me with a non factory provided M badge? I look at those people and smile - they are enjoying the day, their car and the drive.

I've owned a lot of BMW's - M's , V8's, 4 cylinders, blah blah blah - I love it when people modify their cars as they see fit...it shows passion and enthusiasm to me and I applaud that / I'd rather have a non-M, with M badge BMW pass me on PCH then a stock Prius (as an example)

[The Libertine]

Pathetic. .

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by itsglen

**edit**
I'll add I think it's the person that takes issue with it while the person sporting the badge is doing what they want without concern the person that posts, points, questions - is the one struggling :-(

Negative opinions abound - i get it - but the bigger question that needs to be answered is....why do you care? We can post away about what we "think" their motivation is but you'll never get it right because everyone has their own reasons..so maybe ask yourself (and share) why do you give 2-sh*ts

I spend a lot of time in SoCal, I drive down PCH I enjoy looking at the I question who struggles more...the person that puts an M badge on their car or the person that has an issue with it

ocean, I enjoy the cars around me, why in the hell should I care if a BMW drives past me with a non factory provided M badge? I look at those people and smile - they are enjoying the day, their car and the drive.

I've owned a lot of BMW's - M's , V8's, 4 cylinders, blah blah blah - I love it when people modify their cars as they see fit...it shows passion and enthusiasm to me and I applaud that / I'd rather have a non-M, with M badge BMW pass me on PCH then a stock Prius (as an example)

I question who struggles more...the person that puts an M badge on their car or the person that has an issue with it or the person that has issue with those that have issue. I think it is the person that feels the need to tell others how to think or what they should make fun of. It's the person that is miserable at parties.

[itsglen]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

I question who struggles more...the person that puts an M badge on their car or the person that has an issue with it or the person that has issue with those that have issue. I think it is the person that feels the need to tell others how to think or what they should make fun of. It's the person that is miserable at parties.

Okay great now that we know your response to my response and I've stated my opinion on the matter...What is your response to the OPs question? After 15 BMWs, 8000+ posts, one M Car and as the 27 year president (your sig) of your local TX BCCA chapter I'm interested what you have to share, you bring a wealth of knowledge to the forum given your history so please share your response to the OP

As a reminder the topic of this post is: What's your opinion about people who put fake badges on their cars?

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by itsglen

I question who struggles more...the person that puts an M badge on their car or the person that has an issue with it

**edit**
I'll add I think it's the person that takes issue with it while the person sporting the badge is doing what they want without concern the person that posts, points, questions - is the one struggling :-(

Negative opinions abound - i get it - but the bigger question that needs to be answered is....why do you care? We can post away about what we "think" their motivation is but you'll never get it right because everyone has their own reasons..so maybe ask yourself (and share) why do you give 2-sh*ts

I spend a lot of time in SoCal, I drive down PCH I enjoy looking at the ocean, I enjoy the cars around me, why in the hell should I care if a BMW drives past me with a non factory provided M badge? I look at those people and smile - they are enjoying the day, their car and the drive.

I've owned a lot of BMW's - M's , V8's, 4 cylinders, blah blah blah - I love it when people modify their cars as they see fit...it shows passion and enthusiasm to me and I applaud that / I'd rather have a non-M, with M badge BMW pass me on PCH then a stock Prius (as an example)

Lighten up, we are just having fun here. I dont think anyone is losing sleep over people putting fake badges on their cars. Its just a funny/head scratching sight to see for those of us "in the know".

[Andyh1]

Originally Posted by allinon72

They are to be ignored. But if we want to talk about brand dilution, it's BMW that's the biggest problem.

I'm in total agreement with this statement. This of course opens up the conversation about BMW placing M badges everywhere.

[GenXer]

Here's what Doug DeMuro has to say.

https://jalopnik.com/for-god-s-sake-...our-1646744902

[King Rudi]

I would be more likely to shake the hand of a man who adorned a 328i badge on an M3. Pretty damn funny to those of us....well.....us. To everyone else, it's just a BMW anyway.

[mcc3456]

Delusional poseurs.