[tranquility]

Gotta take things w a grain of salt...ofc providers are gonna say it's great, cmon. We need opinions from ppl w no conflict of interest.

It's a hard NO and if my wife gets it, I'd consider leaving haha. I'm kidding ofc but it's something I don't support, why be 'fake' esp when there are crazy side effects and screwed-up jobs are quite common? Maybe many will think I'm extreme, but I don't even like seeing women w dyed hair, extensions, fake eyelashes, nails, etc, it's all unnatural to me and even those relatively-minor things have side effects as well. Just be yourself. I see this on social media all too often, instead of a real pic, ppl put one w crazy filters or some cartoon version, rendering themselves totally unrecognizable...like ppl are gonna see that if they meet you irl? Ugh. Anyway, I digress.

Just look at Hollywood, if anyone's at the cutting edge of seeking the best and getting the best results, it would be that group, right? One of my fave actresses, Dana Delany, fell victim and she now looks all weird and puffy ("like an alien" as sygazelle said). Kinda sad and ironic because many years ago she got a botox for her eye area and the dr screwed up, causing 1 eye to be a bit droopy than the other and she vowed never to touch that stuff again, but alas. Same goes for other former beauties like Famke Janssen, Courtney Cox...the list of victims is endless.

The thing is, *even if* they do an amazing job, there are zero side effects and their faces turn back to their 20s, the rest of the body will still be 50 or whatever, so what's the pt? They would look like someone who got a head transplant, just weird no matter how you slice it.

[bigrum]

In many cases I've noticed, botox has made people look way worse than just getting old and having wrinkles. Examples: Courtney Cox, Mickey Rourke, and even Jennifer Aniston to some extent. If celebrities can't even get it to look good when money is no object, no way is it going to look better when the common folk try it out.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by bigrum

In many cases I've noticed, botox has made people look way worse than just getting old and having wrinkles. Examples: Courtney Cox, Mickey Rourke, and even Jennifer Aniston to some extent. If celebrities can't even get it to look good when money is no object, no way is it going to look better when the common folk try it out.

Yeah I would avoid it.

[unluky]

The first appointment is where it starts - I suggest just aging as gracefully as you can.........naturally.

[floridaorange]

It’s funny - we men always prefer the more “natural” look - even though most of the “natural” faces advertisers target us with are never actually “natural.” Some women do look awesome without subtle help by enhancements. Anyway, my wife has a friend who is good at administering botox, and has her own dental practice specifically for dental aesthetics - and so at least she has the eye and hand, one would assume anyway. The before and after is certainly interesting initially because the injections have sort of settle in over the course of a few days. Her facial expressions are not the same, but her resting face does look younger. And as with most women, they usually aren’t doing these kinds of things because they want men to appreciate it. Rather it’s for women to wonder how they look so rested and youthful. And so when they look in the mirror they don’t see so much aging. It’s interesting

[cmyx6go]

Sorry, no one is sticking needles in my face.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Yeah it's a great thing in terms of human advancement IMO. It's amazing what the technology humanity has achieved and what we can do.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by Sara

I have an RN on standby to inject me in the recovery room.

No disrespect intended, but I won't participate in anything that would make me say or do something this desperate. Absolutely to each their own though, and if it's not causing you any harm, just making you feel better about yourself, then you go girl!

[Nuckle]

I think it is impossible for a guy to relate to decisions females will make in the area of beauty.

[floridaorange]

Update - it took a little getting used to at first but ultimately has been a success, to the extent that she looks great and feels great about how she looks. We live in an area where it’s very common and she works on zoom every day for her work. So far so good. Personally I don’t mind either way, so long as it isn’t a gateway for lip injections etc. My Mom recently had a face lift - that’s a whole other can of worms.

[noemon]

Our best friends are 3 dentists, 1 plastic surgeon and 1 anaesthesiologist. They all participate in the facial aesthetic industry party pro-actively. Last night actually I spent with 2 dentists talking over their cases of botox and dental implants.

The plastic surgeon mate is a celebrity surgeon that goes on telly once a week and such, when my wife wanted to get new boobs he refused to do them himself and sent us to one of the best boob surgeons in the world. We 've both been very happy with natural looking and feeling boobs.

My wife has yet to have lips and botox and we both prefer the natural look. All our friends have offered it to us for free as well.

We agree on 1 thing with all of them:

Facial aesthetics need to be done by plastic surgeons alone, not dentists and by the best in the country at the very least otherwise no point as the risk of degradation is extremely high. Because once you start altering the facial structure, eventually you will need the surgeon with 100% mathematical certainty. So better to start with the long-term considerations and an established doctor that will treat you with utmost respect right from the get go.

Dentist friend also respect their friends as ours respect us but fundamentally they simply do not have the knowledge to know what it is they are doing or how to repair it with a knife when it goes wrong.

[Sara]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

No disrespect intended, but I won't participate in anything that would make me say or do something this desperate. Absolutely to each their own though, and if it's not causing you any harm, just making you feel better about yourself, then you go girl!

It’s been 8 months, I have movement and wrinkles, I don’t have a follow up booked. Priorities shifted

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by Sara

It’s been 8 months, I have movement and wrinkles, I don’t have a follow up booked. Priorities shifted

I'm certain you're beautiful as you are.

[Sara]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

I'm certain you're beautiful as you are.

Thank you. That was very kind