[clutchdj]

Originally Posted by ASAP

1) bmw didnt let him drive it on a track... i wonder why lol

2) called it an m7

3) not as dynamic as previous gen

4) awesome dd... shouldnt be called an m5


i mean...

My hunch is there’s still a drifiting issue w/ it that Bmw hopefully will sort out.

[SoCali E36]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

He expressed my sentiments exactly: A very nice, very capable, very good looking, very comfortable, very fast, car for every day. And it happens to be a BMW. Good enough for me and it's why I'm considering adding it to the stable.

That’s what the M550i was for.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Old-Vectors

I’m sorry but there’s no way that BMW would ever let him put it on a track they are not ready for that type of scrutiny.

Maybe BMW is not willing to show track time.

[matowi]

So we have an issue of a split personality

While the aesthetic is on one end of the spectrum, clearly geared towards that raceboy part of the public; the performance is addressing the needs of more mature buyers, who want a daily run in their ICBM (hence, the reviewer’s references to a Bentley, costing probably twice the money)

Then, get one to impress your buddies while on a skiing trip in some posh place, but don’t take it to a night racing session against doped out Supra’s, M3s and the like

It makes perfect sense to me. But then again, my wife calls me schizophrenic, autistic, and other names… guess that may make me the perfect target market for the M5/7

[bayarea328xit]

I expect the G90 to improve in its iterations in the same way that the F90 improved with the LCI comp and the CS...that's the reality of product development for cars today...

Also, this PHEV drivetrain (V8 ICE engine, battery/electric motor, and transmission) is really important for BMW - it appears in the XM and now the M5...it will be in other models down the road (e.g., X5M, X6M, etc.)...I expect the drivetrain will have more SW and HW improvements in the same way that the drivetrain in the G90 M5 is already much better than what appears in the (at least original) XM...

[masd79]

Originally Posted by E92Bean

I never really understood the hate for the m5. I thought it’s really supposed to be the big, high hp sport luxury sedan vs the m3. Not sure what people expected.

Yep irrational .. the first time I got myself a f90 comp I felt the same, big luxury, straight line car. And bmw has delivered us a better more modern version of that sprints faster because it’s effortless.

[Pritgillmotorcar]

Originally Posted by ASAP

1) bmw didnt let him drive it on a track... i wonder why lol

2) called it an m7

3) not as dynamic as previous gen

4) awesome dd... shouldnt be called an m5


i mean...

I think BMW didnt really want to allow him to drive on the track for a few different reason. I heard from a BMW executive after he drove the M4 GTS in 2016-2017 on track and drew alot of opinions that were mismatched. 7.28 Seconds around the ring is enough said really.

The review he did along side an AMG GTR and 911 GT3 were in pure rain. M4 wasn't set on the track settings and he talked alot of non-sense.

[The0bald]

Originally Posted by Pritgillmotorcar

I think BMW didnt really want to allow him to drive on the track for a few different reason. I heard from a BMW executive after he drove the M4 GTS in 2016-2017 on track and drew alot of opinions that were mismatched. 7.28 Seconds around the ring is enough said really.

The review he did along side an AMG GTR and 911 GT3 were in pure rain. M4 wasn't set on the track settings and he talked alot of non-sense.

He is a bit of a Porsche fanboy. I thought his reviews of the G90 was quite fair anyway, an M7 is probably spot on.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Pritgillmotorcar

I think BMW didnt really want to allow him to drive on the track for a few different reason. I heard from a BMW executive after he drove the M4 GTS in 2016-2017 on track and drew alot of opinions that were mismatched. 7.28 Seconds around the ring is enough said really.

The review he did along side an AMG GTR and 911 GT3 were in pure rain. M4 wasn't set on the track settings and he talked alot of non-sense.

remember his opinion is often based around feel... not necessarily how well the car performs... so even tho it could get a decent time... he would likely say its just not dynamic nor fun due to its weight... my impression is that is what they were worried about... the G80 performs miles better than the F80 around any track without even trying because its so stable... that being said, its a boring car compared to the F80 in just about any street driving... also, from what I recalled the m4 GTS was hit and miss on reviews as it was too complicated with its manual suspension setup and no one liked the water tank injection... it also had some trouble selling

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by SoCali E36

That’s what the M550i was for.

BMW: "best I can do is a pure EV M-lite, same goes for the 7 too cause F you"

[SoCali E36]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

BMW: "best I can do is a pure EV M-lite, same goes for the 7 too cause F you"

Pretty much

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

Weight matters. Oh hell it matters.

The Panamera Turbo E-Hybrid is not a better handling car than the F90. I am sorry, it just isn't. It may have a better lap time on the Nurburgring, as BMW never bothered to take the car with agressive rubbers and a balls to the wall manufacturer driver to go full out for the quickest possible lap time.

The Panamera and S63 AMG have a wider range of assistances and chassis gyzmos that the G90 does not. So the G90 will never handle like them.

This boggled my mind, but the S63 AMG E Performance handles and feels a lot more sporty than the G90 M5. On the other hand, its way too stiff for a S Class.

I just installed the winter pirellis and the car handles great and gets outside of corners faster then my M8 maybe the hankook is the problem for some ppl dono
I tried the car on sharp corners with high speed and it delivered
Yes it feels numb and feels heavy when breaking and cornering but it handles very well

[marshler]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

I just installed the winter pirellis and the car handles great and gets outside of corners faster then my M8 maybe the hankook is the problem for some ppl dono
I tried the car on sharp corners with high speed and it delivered
Yes it feels numb and feels heavy when breaking and cornering but it handles very well

I love driving mine but having no experience with Hankook I am trying to wear them out ASAP to switch to P Zeros

[Rafichicago]

Harris driven enough cars in various conditions that average M5 buyer can easily trust his “feel” for it. He did not bash the car in this short review. He just called it M7 which is pretty much on point. He also said some materials feel cheap in comparison to it’s predecessor and that’s the case as well. What I find quite funny is that even though M5 is/was always street car he couldn’t take it on the track. And it has “Track” option in driving modes.

[Oswiff]

Honest question, if Chris Harris had said the G90 was the greatest m5 ever made and it looked amazing, would it really change anyone who has criticized its weight, looks, etc’s personal opinion about how they feel about it?

Did those who purchased the f90 buy it because a auto journalist loved it?

Now I do believe the f90 was one hell of a car, I leased it twice. But I also leased two Panamera GTS’s which many consider one of the ugliest cars in the Porsche lineup. I think the rs6 is light years better looking than the g99. I had one and ordered a performance but Audi didn’t change the car but a different wheel, matte carbon, a few HP bump and an interior color option then jacked the price up $20k without carbon ceramics.

Am I going to rip my new g90 on a track and drift it til the tires need replacing? No. Am I going to love every aspect of it? Absolutely not. In the two days I could already pick apart certain things - the interior does lack the feel of a $130k car. I do find it needlessly large. I have a feeling that front intake is going to be hit by road debris that I will be very annoyed about. But do I appreciate that BMW tried their best to keep the price competitive? Absolutely. I think it looks much better in person than photos and videos. Does it fit what I want in a luxury sport sedan? So far my answer is yes.

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

So he thinks it feels more like a M7, that's a positive in my book

Thinks it's a easy buy over the RS6, struggled to name alternatives to it other then a Bentley (would've been cool to get a model name there mr. car reviewer), strangely didn't mention the panamera at all.

thinks interior could be nicer, pretty common observation. The all black spec didn't help that.


pretty much what I expected from Chris, he's a purist at heart so this spaceship was always going to test his impartiality. I bet if you put michelins on that thing and gave him some good dry roads he'd come away with a different impression, those uk roads look horrid for testing a car like this.

M5 is like an M7 (luxury, big, etc, with power, but not limo?) as a conclusion being welcomed here is really not the take I could have expected. I thought people want their M5s fast and nimble, not a large car that usually needs a driver. Very interesting.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Tallest

M5 is like an M7 (luxury, big, etc, with power, but not limo?) as a conclusion being welcomed here is really not the take I could have expected. I thought people want their M5s fast and nimble, not a large car that usually needs a driver. Very interesting.

I want a highway bomber that's comfortable but also won't fall apart when I want to rip some corners, if I wanted a track car wannabe I'd buy a G80 CS or something

So I much prefer hearing it's more like a M7 then "this thing is trying to be a M3 CS and it just can't do it plus now it's not comfortable".

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by Oswiff

Honest question, if Chris Harris had said the G90 was the greatest m5 ever made and it looked amazing, would it really change anyone who has criticized its weight, looks, etc’s personal opinion about how they feel about it?

Did those who purchased the f90 buy it because a auto journalist loved it?

Now I do believe the f90 was one hell of a car, I leased it twice. But I also leased two Panamera GTS’s which many consider one of the ugliest cars in the Porsche lineup. I think the rs6 is light years better looking than the g99. I had one and ordered a performance but Audi didn’t change the car but a different wheel, matte carbon, a few HP bump and an interior color option then jacked the price up $20k without carbon ceramics.

Am I going to rip my new g90 on a track and drift it til the tires need replacing? No. Am I going to love every aspect of it? Absolutely not. In the two days I could already pick apart certain things - the interior does lack the feel of a $130k car. I do find it needlessly large. I have a feeling that front intake is going to be hit by road debris that I will be very annoyed about. But do I appreciate that BMW tried their best to keep the price competitive? Absolutely. I think it looks much better in person than photos and videos. Does it fit what I want in a luxury sport sedan? So far my answer is yes.

Do you think that weight is the only reason why new M5 is not loved on the forums ? I think that it’s not the only reason. Even though we could afford one my wife and I (yes she likes cool cars and driving them) we will pass on this one. Even if something called M5 competition or red label or whatever they will call it will arrive. I’ve seen one in person. One more was there at the dealership and she was like: it’s really cheap inside. I don’t bash anyone for liking it. Some have plenty of disposable income and even if they realize that they don’t like it they’ll switch after 2-3 months. We are not there so our purchase decision have to be much more thoughtful and not impulse buys. Above tire discussion in posts above is ridiculous as well. Thinking that tires will suddenly make night and day difference is naive. I know that tires made huge factor few weeks ago with Carrera GT Nurburgring lap time. But it had been 20 years between tires development.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Oswiff

Honest question, if Chris Harris had said the G90 was the greatest m5 ever made and it looked amazing, would it really change anyone who has criticized its weight, looks, etc’s personal opinion about how they feel about it?

Did those who purchased the f90 buy it because a auto journalist loved it?

Now I do believe the f90 was one hell of a car, I leased it twice. But I also leased two Panamera GTS’s which many consider one of the ugliest cars in the Porsche lineup. I think the rs6 is light years better looking than the g99. I had one and ordered a performance but Audi didn’t change the car but a different wheel, matte carbon, a few HP bump and an interior color option then jacked the price up $20k without carbon ceramics.

Am I going to rip my new g90 on a track and drift it til the tires need replacing? No. Am I going to love every aspect of it? Absolutely not. In the two days I could already pick apart certain things - the interior does lack the feel of a $130k car. I do find it needlessly large. I have a feeling that front intake is going to be hit by road debris that I will be very annoyed about. But do I appreciate that BMW tried their best to keep the price competitive? Absolutely. I think it looks much better in person than photos and videos. Does it fit what I want in a luxury sport sedan? So far my answer is yes.

Likely not... but is there any world were he would have said that in?

This is a guy that is all about dynamics and weight / suspension is just a huge component of that... he actually praised the G80 WAY more than I expected him to... did that change my opinion of the G80? Well no... its still a very isolated driving experience... i think in the end his opinion was somewhat similar to this... we just kind of get what we get now.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

Do you think that weight is the only reason why new M5 is not loved on the forums ? I think that it’s not the only reason. Even though we could afford one my wife and I (yes she likes cool cars and driving them) we will pass on this one. Even if something called M5 competition or red label or whatever they will call it will arrive. I’ve seen one in person. One more was there at the dealership and she was like: it’s really cheap inside. I don’t bash anyone for liking it. Some have plenty of disposable income and even if they realize that they don’t like it they’ll switch after 2-3 months. We are not there so our purchase decision have to be much more thoughtful and not impulse buys. Above tire discussion in posts above is ridiculous as well. Thinking that tires will suddenly make night and day difference is naive. I know that tires made huge factor few weeks ago with Carrera GT Nurburgring lap time. But it had been 20 years between tires development.

so what are you getting instead? That's half the equation with the G90... what alternatives are there

[x3sm]

M7

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

so what are you getting instead? That's half the equation with the G90... what alternatives are there

Keeping F90. I like it. There’s no situation in which one has to buy new car.