[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Guys
I’m not arguing.
Based on tens of videos by carwow and others we know F90C is a 10.9-11.1 second car.
And based on what we have seen so far G90 is a 11.3 car.
I’m not gonna kill your emotions about G90. It should be a good car but not quicker than F90C and probably F90 base.
We can wait to see if othe G90 in different colors can go faster but sofar
F90C is 0.2 second quicker than G90( in green ☺️)

the real question though: are you really gunna notice or care on the street? Feel like this is arguing semantics, the more relevant thing is how's its driveability in everyday use and the instant-ev torque fill combined with the already torquey S68 is a winner there

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Guys
I’m not arguing.
Based on tens of videos by carwow and others we know F90C is a 10.9-11.1 second car.
And based on what we have seen so far G90 is a 11.3 car.
I’m not gonna kill your emotions about G90. It should be a good car but not quicker than F90C and probably F90 base.
We can wait to see if othe G90 in different colors can go faster but sofar
F90C is 0.2 second quicker than G90( in green ☺️)

Hehe
The csr overall is better then the f90 if you use the car how it is intended to be a fast GT car /daily driver for the family
If you track the car which is again what is not supposed to be done then the f90 is for sure better
I daily drove my m8 and i liked it but i truly prefer this car over it for daily tasks although technically i am paying way more for this car
It is not the best car but i am not regreting my decisions if any i am happy that i got it
I just can not get over the exhaust lol
I may have to get an aftermarket one

[HoldenTudiks]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Guys
I’m not arguing.
Based on tens of videos by carwow and others we know F90C is a 10.9-11.1 second car.
And based on what we have seen so far G90 is a 11.3 car.
I’m not gonna kill your emotions about G90. It should be a good car but not quicker than F90C and probably F90 base.
We can wait to see if othe G90 in different colors can go faster but sofar
F90C is 0.2 second quicker than G90( in green ☺️)

All I am seeing is a car that is 1000 pounds heavier, better daily usability, meaner stance, up to date technology, has the same performance as the "supposedly best m5 ever". That's a win for G90 in my book.

[CarlosM4]

Let's face it.

Whoever owns the G90 is not going to accept that the F90 is faster, and whoever favours the F90, will think the G90 is crap. The discussion is pointless

I drove the G90 M5 extensively (have one on order), I really liked the extra layer of comfort, some of the new tech, and the instant torque fill. But its far less visceral, its less exciting and handles way worse. Its performance is the same as the standard F90 M5 non LCI stock.

[masd79]

Originally Posted by HoldenTudiks

All I am seeing is a car that is 1000 pounds heavier, better daily usability, meaner stance, up to date technology, has the same performance as the "supposedly best m5 ever". That's a win for G90 in my book.

That sums it up very well!

[supershaft]

I picked up my MBB g90 today and I have to say overall I’m very impressed. I did feel a big difference with handling and braking driving another g90 with the glass roof so I’d say the carbon package is almost required.

The car is stupid fast and puts a smile on my face so yeah I finally came around. Is the f90 faster? Yes but not by much and the g90 is far more comfortable than the f90 and also coming from my cayenne turbo coupe the only downside I see is the interior quality is just miles behind Porsche. To be fair my cayenne coupe was 198k

[A_]

Just last year I thought the new M5 G90 would be as fast as the M5 CS F90. It turned out to be slower than the M5 Comp.

This is the first time ever that a new generation is slower than an older one.

No amount of explaining that it is a regular m5 version and not a comp or cs version will help.

There has always been a jump in performance and a big difference between m5 generations.

I know how M5 G90 owners feel. I'm sure they are angry and disappointed. They will openly deny it. I understand them. I used to feel the same way when I bought an M6 F13 Competition 600ps LCI with euro6 homologation. The car was slower than my M6 F13 Competition 575ps PRELCI with euro5 homologation. I had to install a box to improve performance. BMW didn't officially want me to upload the soft from euro5 homologation to euro6.

At the moment the new M5 G90 is NO BENCHMARK as it used to be. The car is slower and more comfortable, but that's not what the m5 was about. It was the fastest 4 door limousine on the market! If someone wanted a slower and more comfortable car they bought the 540/550i.

Instead of the M5 badge it should have had M560e. That's my 50 cents to this conversation.

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by supershaft

I picked up my MBB g90 today and I have to say overall I’m very impressed. I did feel a big difference with handling and braking driving another g90 with the glass roof so I’d say the carbon package is almost required.

Not for me. After having a CF roof for the past 10 years, I am ready for a change. I'm sure the performance "gains" are there, to some nominal degree, but I can tell you from my own personal experience that I eventually got tired of how dark my interior became without a panoramic moonroof. I'm sure it might not be anywhere near as bad with a silverstone interior, but with full black leather, eventually I just decided I needed more light in the cabin.

As far as the other CF exterior stuff, I can do on my own.

So that package better not be required

[FloridaM5]

Originally Posted by A_

Just last year I thought the new M5 G90 would be as fast as the M5 CS F90. It turned out to be slower than the M5 Comp.

This is the first time ever that a new generation is slower than an older one.

No amount of explaining that it is a regular m5 version and not a comp or cs version will help.

There has always been a jump in performance and a big difference between m5 generations.

I know how M5 G90 owners feel. I'm sure they are angry and disappointed. They will openly deny it. I understand them. I used to feel the same way when I bought an M6 F13 Competition 600ps LCI with euro6 homologation. The car was slower than my M6 F13 Competition 575ps PRELCI with euro5 homologation. I had to install a box to improve performance. BMW didn't officially want me to upload the soft from euro5 homologation to euro6.

At the moment the new M5 G90 is NO BENCHMARK as it used to be. The car is slower and more comfortable, but that's not what the m5 was about. It was the fastest 4 door limousine on the market! If someone wanted a slower and more comfortable car they bought the 540/550i.

Instead of the M5 badge it should have had M560e. That's my 50 cents to this conversation.

Considering all of the f90 vs g90 posts so far, this is definitely my favorite.

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by A_

Just last year I thought the new M5 G90 would be as fast as the M5 CS F90. It turned out to be slower than the M5 Comp.

This is the first time ever that a new generation is slower than an older one.

No amount of explaining that it is a regular m5 version and not a comp or cs version will help.

There has always been a jump in performance and a big difference between m5 generations.

I know how M5 G90 owners feel. I'm sure they are angry and disappointed. They will openly deny it. I understand them. I used to feel the same way when I bought an M6 F13 Competition 600ps LCI with euro6 homologation. The car was slower than my M6 F13 Competition 575ps PRELCI with euro5 homologation. I had to install a box to improve performance. BMW didn't officially want me to upload the soft from euro5 homologation to euro6.

At the moment the new M5 G90 is NO BENCHMARK as it used to be. The car is slower and more comfortable, but that's not what the m5 was about. It was the fastest 4 door limousine on the market! If someone wanted a slower and more comfortable car they bought the 540/550i.

Instead of the M5 badge it should have had M560e. That's my 50 cents to this conversation.

no one who is truly objective here will disagree that it's slower than the f90. it's still a great car and I loathe to say this but for the money it's pretty good

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by A_

No amount of explaining that it is a regular m5 version and not a comp or cs version will help.

I know how M5 G90 owners feel. I'm sure they are angry and disappointed. They will openly deny it. I understand them. I used to feel the same way when I bought an M6 F13 Competition 600ps LCI with euro6 homologation. The car was slower than my M6 F13 Competition 575ps PRELCI with euro5 homologation. I had to install a box to improve performance. BMW didn't officially want me to upload the soft from euro5 homologation to euro6.

At the moment the new M5 G90 is NO BENCHMARK as it used to be. The car is slower and more comfortable, but that's not what the m5 was about. It was the fastest 4 door limousine on the market! If someone wanted a slower and more comfortable car they bought the 540/550i.

Instead of the M5 badge it should have had M560e.

Wow, that's not at all inflammatory lol. I can't tell if you're purposely trolling G90 owners or not.

Regardless, there you have it ctelimad you're not actually happy with your purchase. And if you state that you are, you're actually in full-fledged denial but hopefully you'll come around.


/sarcasm

[A_]

Originally Posted by supershaft

no one who is truly objective here will disagree that it's slower than the f90. it's still a great car and I loathe to say this but for the money it's pretty good

It is fast but slower than the old F90 as shown by Mat at carwow. This is a huge marketing embarrassment for BMW. Here in Poland they give big discounts on the new M5. Maybe someone will buy if they get a good price. What annoys me most about the new M5 G90 is the interior. Very poor quality. Cheap plastics. No leather on the door sides and dashboard.

[FloridaM5]

Originally Posted by Bluex

Wow, that's not at all inflammatory lol. I can't tell if you're purposely trolling G90 owners or not.

Regardless, there you have it ctelimad you're not actually happy with your purchase. And if you state that you are, you're actually in full-fledged denial but hopefully you'll come around.


/sarcasm

Hilarious. Like i said, my favorite post yet. I’m so mad at bmw for making this car. And then I’m even more mad they made me buy it. And then to top it off, they said I can never get rid of it, ever, even if I hate it. Grrrr.

…and don’t forget, you are actually very mad too…

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Bluex

Wow, that's not at all inflammatory lol. I can't tell if you're purposely trolling G90 owners or not.

Regardless, there you have it ctelimad you're not actually happy with your purchase. And if you state that you are, you're actually in full-fledged denial but hopefully you'll come around.


/sarcasm

Thank you man
People always know you more then yourself
I should start asking for business card from some people maybe they can help me go through life and changes and provide some support given most of the forum people are psychiatrist/psychologist

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by FloridaM5

…and don’t forget, you are actually very mad too…

Dammit. I didn't even realize that until you pointed it out. And here I was trying to get through the whole week without being mad at BMW for something or other.

Oh well, best laid plans and all that....

[GJBFI]

Originally Posted by A_

Just last year I thought the new M5 G90 would be as fast as the M5 CS F90. It turned out to be slower than the M5 Comp.

This is the first time ever that a new generation is slower than an older one.

No amount of explaining that it is a regular m5 version and not a comp or cs version will help.

There has always been a jump in performance and a big difference between m5 generations.

I know how M5 G90 owners feel. I'm sure they are angry and disappointed. They will openly deny it. I understand them. I used to feel the same way when I bought an M6 F13 Competition 600ps LCI with euro6 homologation. The car was slower than my M6 F13 Competition 575ps PRELCI with euro5 homologation. I had to install a box to improve performance. BMW didn't officially want me to upload the soft from euro5 homologation to euro6.

At the moment the new M5 G90 is NO BENCHMARK as it used to be. The car is slower and more comfortable, but that's not what the m5 was about. It was the fastest 4 door limousine on the market! If someone wanted a slower and more comfortable car they bought the 540/550i.

Instead of the M5 badge it should have had M560e. That's my 50 cents to this conversation.

Poor guy... Another one who just needs a little love and attention. I'll give it to you ❤️❤️❤️

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by A_

It is fast but slower than the old F90 as shown by Mat at carwow. This is a huge marketing embarrassment for BMW. Here in Poland they give big discounts on the new M5. Maybe someone will buy if they get a good price. What annoys me most about the new M5 G90 is the interior. Very poor quality. Cheap plastics. No leather on the door sides and dashboard.

you want a marketing embarrassment just wait until Audis new gen of RS7/avant get dropped on the public with a V6 PHEV powertrain while costing 5 figures more then a G90/99.

This is the new reality, take it up with the EU bureaucrats forcing insane emissions targets on it's automakers.

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by Bluex

Not for me. After having a CF roof for the past 10 years, I am ready for a change. I'm sure the performance "gains" are there, to some nominal degree, but I can tell you from my own personal experience that I eventually got tired of how dark my interior became without a panoramic moonroof. I'm sure it might not be anywhere near as bad with a silverstone interior, but with full black leather, eventually I just decided I needed more light in the cabin.

As far as the other CF exterior stuff, I can do on my own.

So that package better not be required

hey man I don't disagree with your choice. I just wanted a bit better handling and if I want open sky I have my 750s convertible to take out

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by supershaft

hey man I don't disagree with your choice. I just wanted a bit better handling and if I want open sky I have my 750s convertible to take out

No, no, I get it. With my first CF roof I said pretty much the same thing. "It would be a waste to get a moonroof on this car", but now that i've lived with CF roofs for 10 years I get the perspective of why others choose not to.

For a DD I just need a bit more light in the cabin now and for any car that i'd spec a panoramic moonroof on wouldn't be a car i'd be tracking anyway.

I've always been a fan of how cool CF roofs look.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by A_

Just last year I thought the new M5 G90 would be as fast as the M5 CS F90. It turned out to be slower than the M5 Comp.

This is the first time ever that a new generation is slower than an older one.

No amount of explaining that it is a regular m5 version and not a comp or cs version will help.

There has always been a jump in performance and a big difference between m5 generations.

I know how M5 G90 owners feel. I'm sure they are angry and disappointed. They will openly deny it. I understand them. I used to feel the same way when I bought an M6 F13 Competition 600ps LCI with euro6 homologation. The car was slower than my M6 F13 Competition 575ps PRELCI with euro5 homologation. I had to install a box to improve performance. BMW didn't officially want me to upload the soft from euro5 homologation to euro6.

At the moment the new M5 G90 is NO BENCHMARK as it used to be. The car is slower and more comfortable, but that's not what the m5 was about. It was the fastest 4 door limousine on the market! If someone wanted a slower and more comfortable car they bought the 540/550i.

Instead of the M5 badge it should have had M560e. That's my 50 cents to this conversation.

i agree 100%.... i may sound like a G90 hater but the reality is that I am sure it's a very fine car on its own right but calling it an M5 was just poor marketing speak and really kind of an offense to the M badge... the moment they announced this car was going to be 5400 lbs or equivalent weight to a bmw x7, we all knew where this would head in the driving dynamics department or at least some knew...

then they made a wagon version to make every one feel good at nearly 6k lbs... or encroaching on the US 6000 lb weight deduction for heavy vehicles ... i think if this was called an m560e performance like you said, it would have been great and no one would have thought of the "m5 qualities"... but even the comparos to heavy EVs are bad as their weight distribution is at the bottom of the car and actually allows them to handle better... this is mass all over

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

you want a marketing embarrassment just wait until Audis new gen of RS7/avant get dropped on the public with a V6 PHEV powertrain while costing 5 figures more then a G90/99.

This is the new reality, take it up with the EU bureaucrats forcing insane emissions targets on it's automakers.

does it matter? if the v8 doesnt sound good or is muted and the v6 makes the same power? we crossed all logic 1000 lbs ago

[A_]

The way you react to my post may mean there is something to it. Too much emotion in the words. I am with you wholeheartedly ❤️