[BTM]

Originally Posted by samwoo2go

But when I have a revolution, it would be to over throw the current government, not America itself. when all said and done, another government will be set up that represents America or in theory, anarchy will be set up, but it would still be American anarchy filled with Americans.

You would overthrow the American government. Countries are simply political jurisdictions with geographic borders. Check out how big Germany got during WWII. Did all of the people in France suddenly turn German? No, but they were living in Germany, and were subject to the German government.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

True. I am not an American.

I'm a Canadian and proud to be so.

Canada is in North America
Canadians are from Canada
Canadians are North American
You are Canadian
You are North American
You are an American

Anyone from here is an American

[texasmojo]

This happens in the Hispanic community as well.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by samwoo2go

lastly just out of curiosity, can you define "American" for me? As in what constitutes as an American and what should I do more, and what should I not do to befit your standards of assimilation? Because Im just dying to see how many non white protestant examples you can give me.

I got lots of time today

Americans are anybody that came to this country with hopes of making a better life HERE.

We are people who left other countries that had oppressive governments, or simply had no opportunity to support the life that we wanted for ourselves and our children.

Americans are people who came here learned the language and social norms of the land, they put down the flag of whatever country they came from that was not good enough, and picked up Old Glory.

My Grandfather was one of these people. He came from Sweden with a suitcase and little else. Once here he learned English, he did not teach his native language to his children, nor did he ever speak it that I recall.

Interestingly, I find that it is primarily second and third generation Americans (and immigrants who have hopes of returning to their homeland) who seek a connection to their historical “roots” it is not the people who fled those shitty countries in the first place.

So you ask, who or what is an American, and you try to put us all in a nice tidy box (white protestants, you are such an ass) so you can feel better about yourself, and more progressive. Americans will accept anybody that wants to be an American, just take a look around.

I am Mister-Ski-Mask, and I approve this message

[BTM]

American isn't a mindset or definable by actions. It's an arbitrary designation.

[LateBraking]

Originally Posted by dragon1761

Do you get the notation that girls are more white washed than guys? Like they feel embarassed when they speak in an Asian dialect even though they can speak it? For some reason all the girls that are chinese can speak it, yet they op not to, even my sister.

Bullshit with Koreans. Korean girls speak Korean to Korean guys even if the guy speaks English better, since they think it's all suuuuuuuuper cute and shit. If said Korean guy can't speak Korean too well, then they look down on them like they're a piece of shit. I fucking hate that shit (FYI I am Korean, and though I can understand it, my spoken grammar is imperfect).

[ABQ325i]

I wouldn't call Sweden a shitty country, might have shitty weather but it is far from being a shitty country.

Not everyone leaves their homeland because they don't like it, some of us have a sense of adventure and want to explore the world, try new things. I was born and raised in England and didn't move to the US until my late 20's. I didn't leave England because I thought it was a shitty country, I wasn't oppressed, I simply wanted to try something new.

I am English until I die, I live in the USA, I love the USA, I will defend the USA but I will not put down the flag to my homeland, denounce it or forget it.

[NYCGarbagePrince]

Originally Posted by ABQ325i

I wouldn't call Sweden a shitty country, might have shitty weather but it is far from being a shitty country.

Not everyone leaves their homeland because they don't like it, some of us have a sense of adventure and want to explore the world, try new things. I was born and raised in England and didn't move to the US until my late 20's. I didn't leave England because I thought it was a shitty country, I wasn't oppressed, I simply wanted to try something new.

I am English until I die, I live in the USA, I love the USA, I will defend the USA but I will not put down the flag to my homeland, denounce it or forget it.

You're a minority. There is a reason during your citizenship ceremony they have you say the pledge of allegiance. Unless of course during that ceremony you were just faking it.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by ABQ325i

I wouldn't call Sweden a shitty country, might have shitty weather but it is far from being a shitty country.

Not everyone leaves their homeland because they don't like it, some of us have a sense of adventure and want to explore the world, try new things. I was born and raised in England and didn't move to the US until my late 20's. I didn't leave England because I thought it was a shitty country, I wasn't oppressed, I simply wanted to try something new.

I am English until I die, I live in the USA, I love the USA, I will defend the USA but I will not put down the flag to my homeland, denounce it or forget it.

In his time it was shitty for him, or he wouldn't have left.

If you are honest with yourself, something was lacking in England for you or you wouldn't put down permanent roots here (unless you fall into the category I mentioned before of people who intend to make some money and go back home).

Exploring the world is something you do on vacation, looking for a better life is something else entirely.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

You're a minority. There is a reason during your citizenship ceremony they have you say the pledge of allegiance. Unless of course during that ceremony you were just faking it.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Provided he is a citizen, nothing here excludes people from fondness for their country of origin

[NYCGarbagePrince]

Originally Posted by BTM

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Provided he is a citizen, nothing here excludes people from fondness for their country of origin

He is a minority because he came here under very different circumstances than most.

While you are correct in theory, the purpose of the pledge of allegiance was just that.

Allegiance doesn't exist without devotion.

[BTM]

But allegiance to one thing does not preclude allegiance to another.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by BTM

But allegiance to one thing does not preclude allegiance to another.

yes it does

Let’s say you are meeting your wife for dinner in a nice restaurant. She is sitting at a table waiting for you, but at the table next to hers is your old girlfriend (to whom you swore allegiance, many years ago) she wants to catch up with you. Which table do you sit at?

[BTM]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

yes it does

Poor analogy aside, dual citizenship allows for "multiple allegiances." Allegiance as a word stems from "ally." Are you to tell me that as a country the USA can only have 1 ally? In practice, we have many.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by BTM

Poor analogy aside, dual citizenship allows for "multiple allegiances." Allegiance as a word stems from "ally." Are you to tell me that as a country the USA can only have 1 ally? In practice, we have many.

My point is that there is only one number one.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

My point is that there is only one number one.

Agreed, but this is not a provision of an allegiance, which is a provision of loyalty and devotion.

[Minefield]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

Americans will accept anybody that wants to be an American, just take a look around.

I'm looking at Latinos, Muslims/Arabs, Asians...

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by BTM

Agreed, but this is not a provision of an allegiance, which is a provision of loyalty and devotion.

It is if the two parties you have allegiance to are opposing. Normally this isn't the case, but for this arguement it is.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

It is if the two parties you have allegiance to are opposing. Normally this isn't the case, but for this arguement it is.

In opposition an allegiance doesn't exist. You cannot logically pledge loyalty to both an entity and the entity that negates it. There is no allegiance to either entity.

[gun6slinger9]

Can someone explain to me what US culture is?

Canada has a mosaic with many different cultures where some mix and some dont
The US has a melting pot where everything is mixed. However with new cultures coming in daily wont this "mix" change?

So really, what is the US culture, unless you are referring to nascar, guns, and being obese... Then i would have to say that is redneck culture.

Flamesuit on

[Minefield]

The U.S. is not exactly a melting pot; it's WASP majority dominated.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by BTM

In opposition an allegiance doesn't exist. You cannot logically pledge loyalty to both an entity and the entity that negates it. There is no allegiance to either entity.

What are you talking about?

Let’s say you were a German immigrant circa 1935, your dual allegiance (that you say is possible) is compromised when WW2 breaks out. You pick a side, your true allegiance is clear.