[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by JAM3S

lol there was no firefight. Once he was pinned down they just decided to burn it down.

There was most certainly a firefight only minutes earlier in which two officers were shot, one of whom died.

Originally Posted by JAM3S

They just didnt want to send their SWAT team in to get massacred.

It would also be pretty stupid to risk the lives of SWAT members by sending them into a house with an armed quadruple murderer.

I'm pretty sure it's going to come out that he shot himself when he realized that there was no other option other than walking out the door. I would be right there condemning the police if he walked out with his hands up and they shot him but that's just not what happened.

[Uber V8]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

There was most certainly a firefight only minutes earlier in which two officers were shot, one of whom died.

It would also be pretty stupid to risk the lives of SWAT members by sending them into a house with an armed quadruple murderer.

I'm pretty sure it's going to come out that he shot himself when he realized that there was no other option other than walking out the door. I would be right there condemning the police if he walked out with his hands up and they shot him but that's just not what happened.

Still having a hard time with this argument. If he murdered one person or 1,000 people, he's still one person vs. a fukin SWAT team....team...team

If they are afraid of one guy, then maybe we need to start sending robots into these situations??

Also, not sure if a TV could survive an inferno. For Dorner to be chillin (wordplay) inside of a burning cabin watching the news to see where people are outside of the cabin is a bit far fetched.

I also could be wrong, but never read him being mentioned in a basement.

[KingOfJericho]

So send in the team team team and hope that the one armed and trained former cop doesn't take out one or two or three before being overwhelmed by the team team team? You've got four people dead and you want to send more in to face him while he has the advantage of hiding unseen? Please don't become a police captian.

This guy had many opportunities to surrender peacefully but chose to take option B: to be hunted. He knew that.

[carve]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

They were sent away because they were uncertain if the cabin had a TV in it and if they were engaged in a firefight, the positions of the police would be given away. It's actually pretty smart, but conspiracy theorists will always look at it from the other perspective.

That's a new reason- it used to be because of stray gunfire. How he'd be watching TV in a house with the power cut and most of the walls torn down is a mystery though.

They could accomplish the same thing by putting the video on a delay. That'd actually be even better, since his eyes would be glued to the TV and see them starting to form up just after the door gets busted in.

[carve]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

So send in the team team team and hope that the one armed and trained former cop doesn't take out one or two or three before being overwhelmed by the team team team? You've got four people dead and you want to send more in to face him? Please don't become a police captian.

This guy had many opportunities to surrender peacefully but chose to take option B: to be hunted. He knew that.

What's the rush? He'd have to come out eventually. Pump tear gas or knock-out gas in there first. He could've had a hostage, you know. It wasn't their house to burn down, the guy deserved a trial, and they could've been putting others at risk.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by carve

What's the rush? He'd have to come out eventually. Pump tear gas or knock-out gas in there first. He could've had a hostage, you know. It wasn't their house to burn down, the guy deserved a trial, and they could've been putting others at risk.

This is all I was thinking, whats the rush, he is contained the officers outside have good cover etc.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by carve

What's the rush? He'd have to come out eventually. Pump tear gas or knock-out gas in there first. He could've had a hostage, you know. It wasn't their house to burn down, the guy deserved a trial, and they could've been putting others at risk.

The "rush" was impending nightfall but I think the real rush was that he had eluded them in the past and they really wanted to contain him quickly. It's not as if they threw in hand grenades and killed him instantly. I believe that they were trying to smoke him out. If he came out with his hands up and they shot him dead, I would be really angry as well. That didn't happen. He could have walked out the door and surrendered but he didn't (and I'm pretty sure he knew this and decided to shoot himself). Let's not forget, it wasn't HIS house either but you guys seem to completely ignore that fact. It wasn't the cops house to burn down but it sure as shit wasn't his to use as a hideout in a standoff with cops.

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by carve

What's the rush? He'd have to come out eventually. Pump tear gas or knock-out gas in there first. He could've had a hostage, you know. It wasn't their house to burn down, the guy deserved a trial, and they could've been putting others at risk.

They could of and should of handled it very differently. There is no reason why they had to burn down the house.

[KingOfJericho]

It seems that you guys care more about an unused mountain cabin than four human lives. All that I keep reading is "but the house..." "wasn't their house to burn..." "I can't believe they set fire to the house!" but nothing about "they weren't his lives to take." You guys have a very twisted way of thinking.

[Litos]

i kind of wish he's still out there somewhere....

with all that blazing shit he talked in his manifesto, it would suck that he got burned up in a cabin only 7 days later.

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

Im not an expert on the grenades LEO's use but im pretty sure the "pyro"technic grenade they shot in there was meant to start a fire. Otherwise they would have used regular CS grenades.

The main thing that bothers me is the government gives our troops crappy and restrictive rules of engagement for dealing with insurgents overseas but gives law enforcement free reign to mow down and kill American citizens without cause.

[KingOfJericho]

without cause? holy shit dude...

[carve]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

It seems that you guys care more about an unused mountain cabin than four human lives. All that I keep reading is "but the house..." "wasn't their house to burn..." "I can't believe they set fire to the house!" but nothing about "they weren't his lives to take." You guys have a very twisted way of thinking.

Not burning the cabin down would get those guys back? How do you figure? If the four lives are what you're thinking about, then you're OK with cops doing revenge killings.

Arson is illegal, even if you're a cop.

[Uber V8]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

So send in the team team team and hope that the one armed and trained former cop doesn't take out one or two or three before being overwhelmed by the team team team? You've got four people dead and you want to send more in to face him while he has the advantage of hiding unseen? Please don't become a police captian.

This guy had many opportunities to surrender peacefully but chose to take option B: to be hunted. He knew that.

1st let me say, I'm definitely not mad at you or anything KOJ, just a friendly debate...

with that being said, no, I would NEVER be a police captain. As stated before, I'm not sure of SWAT's exat role in these situations other than to defuse the situation. Yes, there can be many different ways to get the job done, but what I'm suggesting is merely my opinion.

Originally Posted by Litos

i kind of wish he's still out there somewhere....

with all that blazing shit he talked in his manifesto, it would suck that he got burned up in a cabin only 7 days later.

+1 although I don't condone the lost ones.

But hey, we still aren't 100% sure yet...

[carve]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

without cause? holy shit dude...

He was hiding in a surrounded cabin that was being torn apart. Unless he's actively fighting, the only cause to kill him is revenge. If it was a warzone and not a neighborhood, then I suppose such action might occasionally be called for.

[kevinbahnz]

I'm sure glad they got him , doesn't matter how they did it, at least no one else got hurt.

[Uber V8]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

without cause? holy shit dude...

Originally Posted by carve

He was hiding in a surrounded cabin that was being torn apart. Unless he's actively fighting, the only cause to kill him is revenge.

exactly...

A person could have murdered 10 cops 10 hours ago and then you catch that person walking in the streets. A cop cannot just shoot and kill that person upon arrival based on what they already know he/she did earlier.

This attack became personal when cops started getting murdered.

[S_M]

Originally Posted by kevinbahnz

I'm sure glad they got him , doesn't matter how they did it, at least no one else got hurt.

It's still not confirmed...

[Uber V8]

Originally Posted by kevinbahnz

I'm sure glad they got him , doesn't matter how they did it, at least no one else got hurt.

They got who?

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

without cause? holy shit dude...

I should have clarified....

Without cause..... the 3 Americans who are lucky to be alive for committing the crime of driving a pickup truck. The only reason they are alive is because of the extreme incompetence and poor shooting ability of the average cop.

I know you said you didnt condone that, but those officers wont see anything bad happen to them for what is simply attempted murder in my book. Cops are given way too much power and reform is badly needed.

[Its_lobelt]

I hope someone takes issue and actually sues the LAPD and Sheriffs depts. I couldn't care less about Dorner and what he did was wrong. But if someone outside of law enforcement took the law into their own hands and did something like the sheriffs did, they wouldn't see the light of day any more.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by carve

Not burning the cabin down would get those guys back? How do you figure? If the four lives are what you're thinking about, then you're OK with cops doing revenge killings.

Arson is illegal, even if you're a cop.

If you listen to the tapes you can hear the cops say that they heard a single gunshot within the cabin, indicating that he likely shot himself. I don't see how that is a revenge killing.