[Car-Addicted]

Liars piss me off
Carbon dioxide levels rising ‘faster than ever’ amid unprecedented heat: Report
Saul Elbein - 06/06/24
Levels of planet-heating carbon dioxide gas in the atmosphere are rising “faster than ever,” according to a report published Thursday.
That spells serious disruption for the climate in decades to come — even as human society struggles to adapt to the effects of warming already “locked in” by historic burning of fossil fuels.
On Thursday, scientists from the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and Scripps Oceanographic Institute found that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere had reached a record 427 parts per million.
And that wasn’t all. “Not only is [carbon dioxide] now at the highest level in millions of years, it is also rising faster than ever,” Scripps director Ralph Keeling said.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...e-heat-report/
You might note that at 4400 ppm, the earths temperature was roughly the same as it is today! AND an ice age occurred while CO2 was over 4,000 ppm!
So what is the AGW scam really about? Global income redistribution, as admitted by IPCC officials!
In the last 600 million years of Earth’s history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm.
Global Temperature and Atmospheric CO2 over Geologic Time



Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya — 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).

Check out Saul Elbein Bio and you will likely find nothing related to a science back ground. Just more yellow journalism.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Didn't think is was my job to change the article posted in Top Speed. You could probably insure a Bugatti Veyron for that much a month but do you think $2,371 to $2,874 a year is reasonable?
I will add a note to the post to suggest the time frame is wrong to illuminate confusion.

It’s not just Rivian

A friend of mine, mid 50s divorcee, lives in the country with a mostly clean driving record for the past 10 or so years, got quoted 3900 a year for his new Ioniq 5 N. He did eventually get a more reasonable rate but he still said it was more than he wished it would be

[Schn3ll]

Originally Posted by kyriian

It’s not just Rivian

A friend of mine, mid 50s divorcee, lives in the country with a mostly clean driving record for the past 10 or so years, got quoted 3900 a year for his new Ioniq 5 N. He did eventually get a more reasonable rate but he still said it was more than he wished it would be

There is a lot of concern on behalf of insurance companies over the battery pack damage totaling out the vehicles, not irrationally so either.

The upside is that the insurance company will save him from making a big mistake buying a hype train EV that looks like a toddler designed it that will be victim to a huge depreciation hit like every other EV. If he ever wants to find another wife, look elsewhere. That car is like kryptonite to any self respecting woman.

Edit: whoops he already bought it… maybe doing actual research on actual running costs before purchases like this is a thing of the past?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

There is a lot of concern on behalf of insurance companies over the battery pack damage totaling out the vehicles, not irrationally so either.

The upside is that the insurance company will save him from making a big mistake buying a hype train EV that looks like a toddler designed it that will be victim to a huge depreciation hit like every other EV. If he ever wants to find another wife, look elsewhere. That car is like kryptonite to any self respecting woman.

Edit: whoops he already bought it… maybe doing actual research on actual running costs before purchases like this is a thing of the past?

I've mentioned this before, look at the long term probablity of where you will be with an EV from spiralling insurance costs, untold depreciation and the thought that your unmarked immaculate EV could be crushed with unsustainable insurance cost payout should the lipo battery suddenly fail.

[Car-Addicted]

German EV Sales Crater 31% In May, Tesla Says Hold My Beer
Statistics released for May 2024 indicate that German electric vehicle sales have dropped by a significant 30.6 percent compared to the same month in 2023. This downturn in Germany’s EV registration figures underscores a broader trend of diminishing consumer interest in electric vehicles, prompting automakers to reassess their long-term strategies.
On the other hand, of the 236,425 new cars registered in Germany last month, petrol-powered registrations grew by 2.1 percent, with the largest share of 38 percent. Diesel was a close second, with 19 percent of the market and an increase of 3.2 percent.
Overall, Tesla suffered the steepest decline of any brand in May, with sales plummeting 64% year-over-year. Year-to-date, their performance remains equally weak, with a 41.4% decrease.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/ge...-hold-my-beer/

Two years from now we will see the same trend for hybrids if the companies don't start doing some real engineering and not more marketing driven drivel.

[M5Rick]

Could be travelling on a nice open desert stretch and your Lipo battery fails when before long a brigade of Harley motorcycle Hells Angel chapter turns up to help you
Still want a EV ?

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Sorry, the statement, "The same thing happens with gas cars, we just don't think about it that much" (regarding temporary range loss) is utter BS. ICEV do not lose 25% to 40% of temporary range loss (i.e. MPG drop) in winter or summer. I have 18 years and 400,000+ miles of MPG data to prove this.

Also ICEV refueling time is unaffected by temperature.

Mine can lose 20% to 30% during school holidays - less traffic to to keep you to 50mph

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

Edit: whoops he already bought it… maybe doing actual research on actual running costs before purchases like this is a thing of the past?

Not gonna say too much about him, but he is at director level kinda earning power, probably a drop in the bucket really

As a peon, I probably research the heck out of anything that cost more than 50 bucks to make sure the purchase make sense, but who knows maybe a car really is something people just buy without a second thought?

[Car-Addicted]

Does this seem like a sign these are selling like hotcakes?
Porsche Will Pay You $4,500 To Defect From Another EV Brand
If you’re currently leasing an EV (Tesla included) or have an active finance plan for one, Porsche is willing to give you up to three $1,500 credits to go towards the purchase or lease a brand-new Taycan. How many credits you receive depends on how much time is left on your existing Tesla lease, but if you’re currently considering switching to a Taycan, this is a great time to do it.
Through this unusually generous offer from Porsche, which is part of the "Welcome to Porsche" campaign, you can receive one credit if your remaining vehicle lease period is between 31 and 60 days, two credits if it’s between 61 and 90 days and three credits (that add up to $4,500) if you have between 91 and 180 days left.
https://insideevs.com/news/722505/po...est-other-evs/

gblansten, this deal has your name on it, brother!

[bosstones]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

My current commute in my E90 is 13 miles one way and it still pulls 27 MPG, the same as it did on my 80-mile 1-way trip I did from 2008 thru 2021. I have empirical data to back this claim. My start and ending fuel records.

This photo is from May 28, 2024.

Glad to know I'm not the only one that does this. Although, I was originally more curious how the OBC's MPG readout compared to miles drive ÷ gallons added (and also as a barometer for a sign of needing to clean off the intake valves). Then logging it became habitual.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by bosstones

MPG readout compared to miles drive ÷ gallons added (and also as a barometer for a sign of needing to clean off the intake valves).

Ah the good old Italian tune-up still works today! A couple shifts after the valves just start to float and your problems are gone one way or another.

[Schn3ll]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Not gonna say too much about him, but he is at director level kinda earning power, probably a drop in the bucket really

As a peon, I probably research the heck out of anything that cost more than 50 bucks to make sure the purchase make sense, but who knows maybe a car really is something people just buy without a second thought?

A car purchase is the second largest purchase anyone can make (boats and a few luxury items notwithstanding). I’m at that level and still research the hell out of my car purchases.

It depends on the person not what they make. There are some out there that make $1M+ a year and have more debt than you can even imagine.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Does this seem like a sign these are selling like hotcakes?
Porsche Will Pay You $4,500 To Defect From Another EV Brand
If you’re currently leasing an EV (Tesla included) or have an active finance plan for one, Porsche is willing to give you up to three $1,500 credits to go towards the purchase or lease a brand-new Taycan. How many credits you receive depends on how much time is left on your existing Tesla lease, but if you’re currently considering switching to a Taycan, this is a great time to do it.
Through this unusually generous offer from Porsche, which is part of the "Welcome to Porsche" campaign, you can receive one credit if your remaining vehicle lease period is between 31 and 60 days, two credits if it’s between 61 and 90 days and three credits (that add up to $4,500) if you have between 91 and 180 days left.
https://insideevs.com/news/722505/po...est-other-evs/

gblansten, this deal has your name on it, brother!

That's not even a modest start to the Porsche tax.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by bosstones

Glad to know I'm not the only one that does this. Although, I was originally more curious how the OBC's MPG readout compared to miles drive ÷ gallons added (and also as a barometer for a sign of needing to clean off the intake valves). Then logging it became habitual.

Oh, this started in the 1970's. My older brother got me into recording the data. Back in the day when cars were analog, you had to track mileage to figure out if you needed a tune-up or if the engine wasn't running in its best state of tune. It's just pure habit now; I feel it's unnatural not to record the fill up data.

[dizz81]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

My current commute in my E90 is 13 miles one way and it still pulls 27 MPG, the same as it did on my 80-mile 1-way trip I did from 2008 thru 2021. I have empirical data to back this claim. My start and ending fuel records.

This photo is from May 28, 2024.

How do you track all that? Just put the numbers in to your spreadsheet or you have an app for that haha j/k

[Car-Addicted]

Scientists make breakthrough in EV battery technology with self-extinguishing capabilities
June 7, 2024
In common lithium-ion batteries, ions move between two electrodes through a substance called an electrolyte. Liquid versions are flammable when worst-case short-circuits happen, causing temperatures to quickly rise hundreds of degrees. The findings from Clemson could eliminate that possibility, which is one of the few concerns preventing some potential electric vehicle buyers from switching to a cleaner ride.
"It replaces the most commonly used electrolyte, which is highly combustible — a medium composed of a lithium salt and an organic solvent — with materials found in a commercial fire extinguisher,"
"Driving a stainless steel nail through a charged battery simulates an internal short circuit; if the battery catches fire, it fails the test. When we drove a nail through our charged batteries, they withstood the impact without catching fire,"
"If the industry embraces it, we expect that companies will be able to manufacture nonflammable batteries using their existing lithium-ion battery facilities,"

https://www.thecooldown.com/green-te...on-technology/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

So much pie in the sky reporting on EV batteries, by design.

I suspect there is a lot of good effort being placed on developing this technology. Not like there hasn't been enough tax payer money being spent. It's not that EV and battery technology is not the future, it that is be forced onto the market before it's time. If these clowns are not careful they might turn off a complete generation on electric vehicles.

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I suspect there is a lot of good effort being placed on developing this technology. Not like there hasn't been enough tax payer money being spent. It's not that EV and battery technology is not the future, it that is be forced onto the market before it's time. If these clowns are not careful they might turn off a complete generation on electric vehicles.

Sometimes you have to force things as inertia will mean it never change otherwise.

But if you want to look at what Tax payers money has been wasted, look to all the tax breaks offered by Governments - e.g. a Foxconn project, brokered by former Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker spent 500 million tax dollars before Foxconn pulled out. The look at the figures being thrown around for chip fabs to be built in USA, EU etc.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by JimmyTheHand

But if you want to look at what Tax payers money has been wasted, look to all the tax breaks offered by Governments - e.g. a Foxconn project

I'm not sure I agree with you on this particular technology. We have a big time chip issue thanks to years of stupid practices. The China / Taiwan situation is not good for America. The Foxconn project is a cluster "f" but there are many to blame IMO.

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I'm not sure I agree with you on this particular technology. We have a big time chip issue thanks to years of stupid practices. The China / Taiwan situation is not good for America. The Foxconn project is a cluster "f" but there are many to blame IMO.

The Foxconn deal was for making LCD panels not chips I believe and I suspect likely a template for all the others tax deals being thrown around, i.e. private sector milks the deals and fails to deliver.

[M5Rick]

It has been said that gas cars catch fire more than EV's, that would probably be true to please EV lovers, but there are far more gas cars than EV's.
Just 7% of cars in GB are EV's or hybrid.

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It has been said that gas cars catch fire more than EV's, that would probably be true to please EV lovers, but there are far more gas cars than EV's.
Just 7% of cars in GB are EV's or hybrid.

A fleet found EVs were 20 times less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles - Link

Then there from Link

An additional study by that agency and an American insurer found that just 25 out of 100,000 EVs suffer fire damage.

By comparison, 1530 per 100,000 ICE cars experience fire, and hybrid vehicles suffer a much higher risk of 3475 per 100,000​​​​.

Now I expect as most EVs are fairly new so as cars age and not looked after/get mistreated the balance will look less favourable, but it is a long way to fall.