[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Never needed any car, fancy suit, or other props.

But you got dem doe. Amirite?

Originally Posted by silvergray545

One is while on a date so she can't be considered a random.

The other would be at a bar. Random.

#amateurhour

Edit: I totally missed the birthday boy part. Damn you!

I will be damned!

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Biorin

I strongly dislike having someone pay for me. Obviously if we're spending a decent amount of time together to where it becomes a "you get this one, I'll get the next one" sort of thing, that's different. I've seen too many examples of women using men for free things, and too many examples of men using money as a way to control/get what they want out of women. It's such a turn off. I'm probably more biased against having someone pay than I should be, but it is what it is. Money, for me, is freedom to do what I want, when I want, how I want. If it's someone else's money on someone else's terms, that's not worth it to me.

The internet can be closed for the rest of the day. Nothing else need be said.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by Biorin

I strongly dislike having someone pay for me. Obviously if we're spending a decent amount of time together to where it becomes a "you get this one, I'll get the next one" sort of thing, that's different. I've seen too many examples of women using men for free things, and too many examples of men using money as a way to control/get what they want out of women. It's such a turn off. I'm probably more biased against having someone pay than I should be, but it is what it is. Money, for me, is freedom to do what I want, when I want, how I want. If it's someone else's money on someone else's terms, that's not worth it to me.

Edit: That was kind of ranty and not quite on topic, but it irks me... I had so many friends in college who went out with the sole intention of getting men to buy them drinks.

Quite ranty.

You're also an apparent anomaly amongst your species, so this makes sense, to me.


1MOREMOD, more aliens are surfacing.

[Biorin]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

Quite ranty.

You're also an apparent anomaly amongst your species, so this makes sense, to me.


1MOREMOD, more aliens are surfacing.

My best friend at work tells me that I have a penis. She says this is further evidenced by the fact that I respond to this by saying "yeah, a REALLY BIG penis!"

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

But you got dem doe. Amirite?



I will be damned!

Yeah. When I was younger my triage would always be to show up on a first date in my dad's work truck. If anything was said, the date lasted about 30 minutes.

[silvergray545]

Originally Posted by Biorin

I strongly dislike having someone pay for me. Obviously if we're spending a decent amount of time together to where it becomes a "you get this one, I'll get the next one" sort of thing, that's different. I've seen too many examples of women using men for free things, and too many examples of men using money as a way to control/get what they want out of women. It's such a turn off. I'm probably more biased against having someone pay than I should be, but it is what it is. Money, for me, is freedom to do what I want, when I want, how I want. If it's someone else's money on someone else's terms, that's not worth it to me.

Edit: That was kind of ranty and not quite on topic, but it irks me... I had so many friends in college who went out with the sole intention of getting men to buy them drinks.

Originally Posted by MKSixer

The internet can be closed for the rest of the day. Nothing else need be said.

Originally Posted by Verbiage

You're also an apparent anomaly amongst your species, so this makes sense, to me.

All of this.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by Biorin

My best friend at work tells me that I have a penis. She says this is further evidenced by the fact that I respond to this by saying "yeah, a REALLY BIG penis!"

All the better for fucking people's stereotypes and misconceptions.

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by Biorin

Money, for me, is freedom to do what I want, when I want, how I want.

I wish I could explain this succinctly to my millennial children. They have occasionally questioned me about why "making money" is seemingly so important to me. I have explained that there are a couple aspects to it:
- As a man of Gen X it is, for better or worse a societal version of keeping score. It is not about the money - it is about competitiveness. This is the stereotypical part, I guess, but I am not going to sugar coat the truth.
- It is about freedom and opportunity. I can be far more altruistic now than I could if I made 1/10th of what I do. My capacity to help others would be severely diminished.
- It is about THEIR freedom and opportunity too. It allows them to choose a path. If they choose to do something that doesn't make them a lot of money - that's fine - but I will do everything in my power to make sure that is a choice they get to make. Hopefully, they will choose something that makes them happy AND enables them to help others.

/rant

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

I wish I could explain this succinctly to my millennial children. They have occasionally questioned me about why "making money" is seemingly so important to me. I have explained that there are a couple aspects to it:
- As a man of Gen X it is, for better or worse a societal version of keeping score. It is not about the money - it is about competitiveness. This is the stereotypical part, I guess, but I am not going to sugar coat the truth.
- It is about freedom and opportunity. I can be far more altruistic now than I could if I made 1/10th of what I do. My capacity to help others would be severely diminished.
- It is about THEIR freedom and opportunity too. It allows them to choose a path. If they choose to do something that doesn't make them a lot of money - that's fine - but I will do everything in my power to make sure that is a choice they get to make. Hopefully, they will choose something that makes them happy AND enables them to help others.

/rant

Perfection.

You and Biorin have closed the internet for the day.

[Verbiage]

Society and entitlement have fucked the generalized concept of mainstream youth's appreciation and awareness of "money", and the perks that come along with it.

I grew up around a bunch of spoiled kids, many of which are probably on this forum. It's not news, unfortunately.

[Biorin]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

Society and entitlement have fucked the generalized concept of mainstream youth's appreciation and awareness of "money", and the perks that come along with it.

I grew up around a bunch of spoiled kids, many of which are probably on this forum. It's not news, unfortunately.

What I always thought was interesting to witness were friends (in high school) who traveled around the world constantly, supporting charities in Tibet, volunteering in Argentina, etc., but looked down on money and/or people who didn't do the same. It's wonderful to volunteer your time, but don't act as if someone who cannot afford $1k roundtrip every couple of months is somehow less charitable.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by Biorin

What I always thought was interesting to witness were friends (in high school) who traveled around the world constantly, supporting charities in Tibet, volunteering in Argentina, etc., but looked down on money and/or people who didn't do the same. It's wonderful to volunteer your time, but don't act as if someone who cannot afford $1k roundtrip every couple of months is somehow less charitable.

Exactly. I was never privileged coming up, and can say that I am a more productive user and distributor of my finances, as a result.

What you mention is exactly what I see on social media, the infinite masquerade ball of overseas trips and lack of "sponsorship" mentions while the leg-humping-ness ensues. Craziness.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Biorin

I strongly dislike having someone pay for me. Obviously if we're spending a decent amount of time together to where it becomes a "you get this one, I'll get the next one" sort of thing, that's different. I've seen too many examples of women using men for free things, and too many examples of men using money as a way to control/get what they want out of women. It's such a turn off. I'm probably more biased against having someone pay than I should be, but it is what it is. Money, for me, is freedom to do what I want, when I want, how I want. If it's someone else's money on someone else's terms, that's not worth it to me.

Edit: That was kind of ranty and not quite on topic, but it irks me... I had so many friends in college who went out with the sole intention of getting men to buy them drinks.

Some people just like to do nice things for other people even though the person they are doing it for can well afford to do it themselves.
__________________________

My father always told me that once you have a roof over your head and food in the fridge, money is for convenience and charity. jtodd_fl keep telling your kids, if it can sink into my thick skull, it can sink into anyone's.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Biorin

What I always thought was interesting to witness were friends (in high school) who traveled around the world constantly, supporting charities in Tibet, volunteering in Argentina, etc., but looked down on money and/or people who didn't do the same. It's wonderful to volunteer your time, but don't act as if someone who cannot afford $1k roundtrip every couple of months is somehow less charitable.

I think this is a very important aspect of giving to keep in perspective. It can hurt someone much more to give $20 than it hurts most people who give $2,000.

It almost always works out that people giving less are giving more of what they have to give, while people who give more tend to give less of what they have to give.

[Sara]

There is nothing wrong with a guy paying on a date.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

I think this is a very important aspect of giving to keep in perspective. It can hurt someone much more to give $20 than it hurts most people who give $2,000.

It almost always works out that people giving less are giving more of what they have to give, while people who give more tend to give less of what they have to give.

Kun-few-shus say.

[UglyBuzzard]

I figured out very early how my friends that were hot girls could help me out. They would get guys that were so cheesy or did not take the hint to buy them drinks and hand them to me. It would out well for us. I rarely paid for drinks and it was funny how many girls like top shelf single malt. FWB has many meanings.

[UglyBuzzard]

Originally Posted by Sara504

There is nothing wrong with a guy paying on a date.

Agreed. But, nothing wrong with a girl taking her guy out on a date as well.

First date, the guy should pay, open doors, give up coat, lay in puddle so girls shoes don't get wet, buy condoms, refrain from dutch ovens, sleep in the wet spot, and eat the breakfast she makes in the morning.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by UglyBuzzard

Agreed. But, nothing wrong with a girl taking her guy out on a date as well.

First date, the guy should pay, open doors, give up coat, lay in puddle so girls shoes don't get wet, buy condoms, refrain from dutch ovens, sleep in the wet spot, and eat the breakfast she makes in the morning.

I loled.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

I wish I could explain this succinctly to my millennial children. They have occasionally questioned me about why "making money" is seemingly so important to me. I have explained that there are a couple aspects to it:
- As a man of Gen X it is, for better or worse a societal version of keeping score. It is not about the money - it is about competitiveness. This is the stereotypical part, I guess, but I am not going to sugar coat the truth.
- It is about freedom and opportunity. I can be far more altruistic now than I could if I made 1/10th of what I do. My capacity to help others would be severely diminished.
- It is about THEIR freedom and opportunity too. It allows them to choose a path. If they choose to do something that doesn't make them a lot of money - that's fine - but I will do everything in my power to make sure that is a choice they get to make. Hopefully, they will choose something that makes them happy AND enables them to help others.

/rant

My worst nightmare is my sons becoming hipsters.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Sara504

There is nothing wrong with a guy paying on a date.

Hey, you gotta pay to play...somehow.

Pay for dinner for them to stay, pay for sex for them to go away (hookers).

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

My worst nightmare is my sons becoming hipsters.

My worst fear is my daughter marrying your hipster son!