[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RM7

My parents aborted when they were essentially locked inside during the summer due to the oppressive heat (and traffic). At high altitude in the desert, the evenings/night/morning is much more pleasant, the temp at high noon is still not as high not to mention not nearly as humid, and it's overall much nicer to live with some forest and terrain nearby.

Yeah, I don't know what the drive is either, it seems the place to go when you want to give up on life. Obesity rates tell the tale IMO.

It's a to each their own thing. Awful handy we have just about every climate and terrain to choose from. Personally, I'd be a depressed pasty white mess living in Alaska. It's like mid 50's and drizzle...mid July?
Nope, not for me.

Besides, how many hit songs have ever been written about Alaska?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by gonzo

It's a to each their own thing. Awful handy we have just about every climate and terrain to choose from. Personally, I'd be a depressed pasty white mess living in Alaska. It's like mid 50's and drizzle...mid July?
Nope, not for me.

Besides, how many hit songs have ever been written about Alaska?

Mid 50s in alaska is more like 65 elsewhere due to the sun angle. Its absolutely fantastic for doing anything outside.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by gonzo

It's a to each their own thing. Awful handy we have just about every climate and terrain to choose from. Personally, I'd be a depressed pasty white mess living in Alaska. It's like mid 50's and drizzle...mid July?
Nope, not for me.

Besides, how many hit songs have ever been written about Alaska?

I always find that to be misleading, the drives required to get to all the climates in TX are insane and they are not nearly as diverse as you are making it, yes, extreme southwest has some nice dersert with a few, not many, mountainous areas, but this is like 3 states away by most standards and you might as well just drive to (live in) NM. The varied climates there are much closer together, with far more accessible public land.

I’ve literally driven all across TX, this is not a good place to live IME. Plus, they get you on sales tax and other ways to make up for what you think you are getting away with.

[Mason Hatcher]

Originally Posted by RM7

I always find that to be misleading, the drives required to get to all the climates in TX are insane and they are not nearly as diverse as you are making it, yes, extreme southwest has some nice dersert with a few, not many, mountainous areas, but this is like 3 states away by most standards and you might as well just drive to (live in) NM. The varied climates there are much closer together, with far more accessible public land.

I’ve literally driven all across TX, this is not a good place to live IME. Plus, they get you on sales tax and other ways to make up for what you think you are getting away with.

It's OK, we're full

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RM7

I always find that to be misleading, the drives required to get to all the climates in TX are insane and they are not nearly as diverse as you are making it, yes, extreme southwest has some nice dersert with a few, not many, mountainous areas, but this is like 3 states away by most standards and you might as well just drive to (live in) NM. The varied climates there are much closer together, with far more accessible public land.

I’ve literally driven all across TX, this is not a good place to live IME. Plus, they get you on sales tax and other ways to make up for what you think you are getting away with.

Well, that would be misleading being it takes like 17 days to drive tip to tip in Texas lol

I was referring to The USA.

[Accucon4202]

EV's are dead until they solve the time charging issues, battery materials, waste, longevity, and oh by the way, upgrade the infrastructure. Not in our lifetime people! Buy combustion autos, truth be told, they are more environmentally friendly....

[Car-Addicted]

Lets not kid ourselves, walking and maybe bicycles are environmentally friendly. You can be environmentally conscious in your lifestyle no matter what you drive or where you live or consume. I do think a lot of ICE cars have a lower impact on the environment than EV's but it's an impossible to quantify due to the complexities of computing production, life cycle and recycling.
I think there is a lot of hypocrisy out there with folks claiming to save the planet with their EV's while hopping on a jet several times a year or have a number of animals in their household.
I respect folks that are honest and support EV because they are fast or because their situation makes them a good value. Lets see if the EV's continues to grow sales when tax payers are no longer making their down payments. If the ridiculous CAFE standard are rolled back you can also expect a drop in ICE car prices from the savings on buying carbon offset credits.
Bottom line for me is this is all about control and income redistribution and not about the environment. Folks should be able to buy what ever they want to buy with out the foot of big government on their necks.

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by RM7

My parents aborted when they were essentially locked inside during the summer due to the oppressive heat (and traffic). At high altitude in the desert, the evenings/night/morning is much more pleasant, the temp at high noon is still not as high not to mention not nearly as humid, and it's overall much nicer to live with some forest and terrain nearby.

Yeah, I don't know what the drive is either, it seems the place to go when you want to give up on life. Obesity rates tell the tale IMO.

Racist and it has nothing to do with EV's.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Lets not kid ourselves, walking and maybe bicycles are environmentally friendly. You can be environmentally conscious in your lifestyle no matter what you drive or where you live or consume. I do think a lot of ICE cars have a lower impact on the environment than EV's but it's an impossible to quantify due to the complexities of computing production, life cycle and recycling.
I think there is a lot of hypocrisy out there with folks claiming to save the planet with their EV's while hopping on a jet several times a year or have a number of animals in their household.
I respect folks that are honest and support EV because they are fast or because their situation makes them a good value. Lets see if the EV's continues to grow sales when tax payers are no longer making their down payments. If the ridiculous CAFE standard are rolled back you can also expect a drop in ICE car prices from the savings on buying carbon offset credits.
Bottom line for me is this is all about control and income redistribution and not about the environment. Folks should be able to buy what ever they want to buy with out the foot of big government on their necks.

i can't think of anything else that it could be.

[eliphil]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Lets not kid ourselves, walking and maybe bicycles are environmentally friendly. You can be environmentally conscious in your lifestyle no matter what you drive or where you live or consume. I do think a lot of ICE cars have a lower impact on the environment than EV's but it's an impossible to quantify due to the complexities of computing production, life cycle and recycling.
I think there is a lot of hypocrisy out there with folks claiming to save the planet with their EV's while hopping on a jet several times a year or have a number of animals in their household.
I respect folks that are honest and support EV because they are fast or because their situation makes them a good value. Lets see if the EV's continues to grow sales when tax payers are no longer making their down payments. If the ridiculous CAFE standard are rolled back you can also expect a drop in ICE car prices from the savings on buying carbon offset credits.
Bottom line for me is this is all about control and income redistribution and not about the environment. Folks should be able to buy what ever they want to buy with out the foot of big government on their necks.

Well said, big govt has gone way to far with to much overreach

[Car-Addicted]

Biden pulls back on tightened car and truck fuel standards
July 17, 2024
The new CAFE standards for the popular classes of vehicles will require more modest mileage improvements than the Biden administration had called for last year.
Under the rule, formally known as the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards, all light-duty vehicles overall must meet an average of 50.4 mpg in 2031, down from 55.7 mpg in last year’s proposal. The current average is 39.1 mpg. For SUVs and pickups, the requirement will be 45 mpg. That’s up from the 35.2 mpg they average now, but it’s less than the 52.2 mpg that the agency had proposed last year.
Administration officials defended the move by saying the eased requirements for gasoline-fueled vehicles will allow automakers to focus on building more electric cars and trucks
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/0...dards-00162297

Maybe we should have elections every couple of months if it brings some sanity?

[Car-Addicted]

Why is Elon Musk supporting Trump if he is anti-EV?
Jul 17th, 2024
Musk’s decision to back Trump appears to be a strategic move for his company and his wealth, driven by his belief that removing government subsidies will ultimately benefit Tesla more than its competitors. He has argued that “Take away the subsidies. It will only help Tesla.” A 2015 report from the Los Angeles Times reported that Musk’s companies had received nearly $5 billion in government subsidies.
https://en.as.com/latest_news/why-is...-is-anti-ev-n/

Interesting, not that the Los Angeles Times can be trusted to have their numbers right but I think this is more ideological than financial (the joy of having "FU" money). I'm thinking he is talking about the $7,500 rebate and not the money he gets from sale of carbon credits but the math is not adding up? What ever the reason he will absolutely lose sales now that he is no longer the darling of the left. While he may or may not be ideological you can bet a lot of EV buyers are!

Tesla Hits Record High Sales from Carbon Credits at $1.79B
Elon Musk’s Tesla generated a substantial $1.79 billion from carbon credit sales last year, as revealed in their Q4 2023 and annual financial report, bringing its total earnings from such credits since 2009 to nearly $9 billion.


https://carboncredits.com/tesla-hits...dits-at-1-79b/

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Interesting, not that the Los Angeles Times can be trusted to have their numbers right but I think this is more ideological than financial (the joy of having "FU" money). I'm thinking he is talking about the $7,500 rebate and not the money he gets from sale of carbon credits but the math is not adding up? What ever the reason he will absolutely lose sales now that he is no longer the darling of the left. While he may or may not be ideological you can bet a lot of EV buyers are!

He has always been an a-hole through and through. He had a slick veneer before because he wasn't just surrounded by sycophant and yes men, there was REAL talent working for him before including building his image for the public to consume.

Most people who have this much wealth generally are a-holes, you don't become rich by being nice

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Why is Elon Musk supporting Trump if he is anti-EV?
Jul 17th, 2024
Musk’s decision to back Trump appears to be a strategic move for his company and his wealth, driven by his belief that removing government subsidies will ultimately benefit Tesla more than its competitors. He has argued that “Take away the subsidies. It will only help Tesla.” A 2015 report from the Los Angeles Times reported that Musk’s companies had received nearly $5 billion in government subsidies.
https://en.as.com/latest_news/why-is...-is-anti-ev-n/

Interesting, not that the Los Angeles Times can be trusted to have their numbers right but I think this is more ideological than financial (the joy of having "FU" money). I'm thinking he is talking about the $7,500 rebate and not the money he gets from sale of carbon credits but the math is not adding up? What ever the reason he will absolutely lose sales now that he is no longer the darling of the left. While he may or may not be ideological you can bet a lot of EV buyers are!

Tesla Hits Record High Sales from Carbon Credits at $1.79B
Elon Musk’s Tesla generated a substantial $1.79 billion from carbon credit sales last year, as revealed in their Q4 2023 and annual financial report, bringing its total earnings from such credits since 2009 to nearly $9 billion.


https://carboncredits.com/tesla-hits...dits-at-1-79b/

If anyone is tracking Elon's true motives, just know that he is always doing whatever is best for him and his corporation lol... and everything will make sense. The guy is an all out opportunist and nothing else. He wants to pay as little taxes as possible, have as few employee protections, no unions and just pump out as many of his cars as is possible. He is not the good guy everyone thinks he is.

[ASAP]

Also - on the EV front... the recent tariffs on Chinese EVs just prove everything we know... this is all a business scam... there is a good product offered for cheaper and at a larger scale but we can't have it because foreign agenda blah blah... i seem to remember when this was a competitive free market... those days are long gone.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Also - on the EV front... the recent tariffs on Chinese EVs just prove everything we know... this is all a business scam... there is a good product offered for cheaper and at a larger scale but we can't have it because foreign agenda blah blah... i seem to remember when this was a competitive free market... those days are long gone.

Maybe so but IMO government intervention is the cause. The key here is "Private Public Partnerships" The Communists evolved into this when Communism failed. America is rapidly moving in that direction with government picking winners and losers. Now Governments pumps huge amounts of capital into projects like electrification and that is no longer a free market. I doubt you would feel the same if cheap government supported products cost you your job or destroyed your community?

China Invests $546 Billion in Clean Energy, Far Surpassing the U.S.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ssing-the-u-s/

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Maybe so but IMO government intervention is the cause. The key here is "Private Public Partnerships" The Communists evolved into this when Communism failed. America is rapidly moving in that direction with government picking winners and losers. Now Governments pumps huge amounts of capital into projects like electrification and that is no longer a free market. I doubt you would feel the same if cheap government supported products cost you your job or destroyed your community?

China Invests $546 Billion in Clean Energy, Far Surpassing the U.S.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ssing-the-u-s/

Just to make sure I understand?

1. The US provides incentives to companies and govt tax credits to consumers to spur a new business and technology - EVs.

2. Competitor comes in that can offer a similar product or better for cheaper. US places a tariff on this competitor to protect its own business and jobs. Hence driving costs forward and allowing internal companies to raise prices.

3. Said competitors country owns most of the battery mills and 100% of the battery refining process that we must use EVEN for our own EVs because we don't think that's clean. The refining process is too dirty for us and inconvenient.

4. We use said competitors country for all other cheap junk due to their labor cost advantage for everything else and it's OK.

No matter what side of the political aisle you sit on... this my friend is what is known as a "circle jerk"... and the US consumer is being played.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by ASAP

No matter what side of the political aisle you sit on... this my friend is what is known as a "circle jerk"... and the US consumer is being played.

I think you've got it But still the issue is the only control we have over China's imports are tariffs. With out tariffs American jobs will be lost. I suspect this will be played out in the EU. Cheap EV's will damage the auto industry in Europe.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I think you've got it But still the issue is the only control we have over China's imports are tariffs. With out tariffs American jobs will be lost. I suspect this will be played out in the EU. Cheap EV's will damage the auto industry in Europe.

i dont buy any politician that sells protecting american jobs... in fact I even laugh... AI and all tech companies would have been long regulated it that was true... as would have ev's in general... but alas someone is making money off this so big bad regulations anti capitalist blah blah

[gonzo]

Call Musk what you will but he's putting a lot of good out along with the questionable. There are tangibles to put eyes on at least. Buy/use or don't. Simple as that.


On the other hand. P'os like this dance around scot free...

20 LLC's, 12 banks, 157+ suspicious activity reports. No business, no products, no expertise in anything.
Nothing to show. Nothing.

[Dégoûté]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Also - on the EV front... the recent tariffs on Chinese EVs just prove everything we know... this is all a business scam... there is a good product offered for cheaper and at a larger scale but we can't have it because foreign agenda blah blah... i seem to remember when this was a competitive free market... those days are long gone.

We are watching a change in hegemon; the alternative is war.

[gonzo]

Climate Change Joe is out and his back is covered in shiv wounds.
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