[imperfectluck]

Originally Posted by XM Label

Love how so many people are complaining about a missing stick shifter….its called evolution. Back in the day when we only had manual shifters the stick made sense. A stick shifter for an automatic transmission is just a way to put it into gear and to appease those who want to go back to the good old manual days. I personally like the lack of stick shifter and think they are moving in the right direction. For those who feel that losing a stick for an automatic transmission car makes a any car less sporty, please refer to Ferrari, McLaren, or lamborghinis not as sports cars because they all lack a stick…

It has a functional purpose when your hands aren’t at 9 and 3 and you aren’t letting the car do the shifting for you.

Interestingly enough you left Porsche out of the “sports cars” category, you say back in the day as if manufacturers have ceased to make manuals.

You may like the removal of it and that’s fine for you. The day we “evolve” into manual gearboxed Porshces plummeting in price compared to their PDK variants then your statement will have some merit to it.

[AP]

The stick is also useful to put the gearbox in a sportmode, you can do this without having to look .

[vinny84]

People acting like the shift lever is a manual that BMW is taking away from them. It’s still an automatic

[XM Label]

Originally Posted by AP

The stick is also useful to put the gearbox in a sportmode, you can do this without having to look .

I can do this by programming M1 or M2 button. Don’t have to look to press.

[weingarm]

Originally Posted by ASAP

what is panoramic vision

This very informative video shows Panoramic Vision in action (an integral part of iDrive 10). Coming to the Neue Klasse cars (late-2025) and just about everything in the BMW lineup from 2027 onwards.

Since the G90 comes out before that, it retains iDrive 8.5 (the "old" tech). I'm sure there will be M-specific features to Panoramic Vision once we see it in the G90 and other M products.

[XM Label]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

It has a functional purpose when your hands aren’t at 9 and 3 and you aren’t letting the car do the shifting for you.

Interestingly enough you left Porsche out of the “sports cars” category, you say back in the day as if manufacturers have ceased to make manuals.

You may like the removal of it and that’s fine for you. The day we “evolve” into manual gearboxed Porshces plummeting in price compared to their PDK variants then your statement will have some merit to it.

The manual gearbox will die in my lifetime…..there I said it here today…remember when Porsche said they would not make a hybrid 911? It’s here soon. Times change, and one day we will see an all electric 911 (blasphemy)….and people will still buy them!

[Blue87]

Also, for the record, everyone who is worried about performance for this using the hybrid powertrain from the XM label, You have nothing to worry about. This will be a proper sports sedan. Unless you have driven a car with this new powertrain, please wait for the actual reviews. I can tell you first hand, my XM label does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds and handles otherworldly for a 6000+ pound vehicle.

Your last sentence sums up the weight concerns. My x5 M50 is top quality and handles well for a 5300 lb SAV, but handling is nowhere near the S2000 I have. You always feel the weight. However, like you mentioned, I'm looking forward to the reviews.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Fantastic 5

The stick in the center console is critical. I use it actively when I drive, along with the shift paddles. I always drive in manual. It allows me to have the best of both worlds …a shifter they mimics a manual and paddles like the best dual clutches….

Taking away the center console stick takes away another form of input of the transmission which provides less control.

Really not happy.

On my ICE Jaguar, I set it once to manual and used paddle shifters. It really makes no difference to me whether that is moving a big stick to do that or pressing a lever downward. On my i5, it’s like moving to full regen. Press down from neutral to drive, press down again for B mode. I’m thinking on the M5, you press down for drive then once more for sport. You should already have electronic parking, so there is no need for that setting.

[Hansn]

I was hoping to finally replace my 1998 Compact 3 series manual with a 5 series. Guess it wont happen again!! 🥵😡

When will they start making a 5 series that is a proper sportscar? I feel like my life is over before that happens.. And now you are telling me they are projecting things onto the entire length of the windshield? I want a 5 series that handles on track that i can shift like the F1 cars of old, with one hand on the steeringwheel! 🤠🤡

My biggest question is when BMW decided to make a tank of a 4 door 180mph autobahn-cruiser instad of a nimble sports car that i can drive through cones on the weekend. There is something they are getting totally wrong in Germany..

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by g21

interestingly it's pretty stunning when you're sitting behind the wheel but you'll never catch me using it.

not buying another BMW

Coming from a F90 LCI, it's a little surprising to see this. On a positive note, at least it has an iDrive knob. My wife's '23 X1 has that annoying console shifter WITH NO iDrive knob and you have to reach out to the touch screen for almost everything, while is not only annoying, but IMO, a safety issue as well. Other than that. great SAV.

Hopefully manufacturers start to wake up and smell the coffee (or in this case, gear oil), but unlikely Probably just a few basic buttons. For the rest, it's "Hey BMW" I guess.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60129...s-regulations/

[NPTM]

The only thing I like about where BMW is going is the fact that it makes me love my F87 more and more

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by Hansn

I was hoping to finally replace my 1998 Compact 3 series manual with a 5 series. Guess it wont happen again!! 🥵😡

When will they start making a 5 series that is a proper sportscar? I feel like my life is over before that happens.. And now you are telling me they are projecting things onto the entire length of the windshield? I want a 5 series that handles on track that i can shift like the F1 cars of old, with one hand on the steeringwheel! 🤠🤡

My biggest question is when BMW decided to make a tank of a 4 door 180mph autobahn-cruiser instad of a nimble sports car that i can drive through cones on the weekend. There is something they are getting totally wrong in Germany..

The current G80 M3 is your last chance to get what you seek. I suggest you do it now before it’s too late. Keep in mind that the G80 is quite close to the size of the E39 5 series and it strikes a great balance between being big enough to use for everything, but small enough to handle wonderfully.

[sikotic]

Originally Posted by Dnshift

No shift lever?!

first thing I noticed

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by Evinrude1975

The curb weight is 2435kg

Unfortunately In the picture we cannot see the elephant in the rear seat

Them electric horses are heavy.

[Motorwerke_man]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

It has a functional purpose when your hands aren’t at 9 and 3 and you aren’t letting the car do the shifting for you.

Exactly!

Cue the 'OMG it's an automatic, why are you pretending to be shifting anyways?' tribe

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Hansn

I was hoping to finally replace my 1998 Compact 3 series manual with a 5 series. Guess it wont happen again!! 🥵😡

When will they start making a 5 series that is a proper sportscar? I feel like my life is over before that happens.. And now you are telling me they are projecting things onto the entire length of the windshield? I want a 5 series that handles on track that i can shift like the F1 cars of old, with one hand on the steeringwheel! 🤠🤡

My biggest question is when BMW decided to make a tank of a 4 door 180mph autobahn-cruiser instad of a nimble sports car that i can drive through cones on the weekend. There is something they are getting totally wrong in Germany..

Based on what you’re looking for, I think you’re in the wrong segment.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by XM Label

Times change, and one day we will see an all electric 911 (blasphemy)….and people will still buy them!

People will buy them because they want a 911, not because they want an EV. If an inferior 911 is all that’s available they’ll buy it.

[Athena]

This is a shame, I really haven’t been won over by the new exterior design for the 5, but seeing that the light switch shifter has permeated such a prolific M car is unfortunate. The silver lining is that the traditional physical shifter can be retrofitted on the MY23+ cars. A painful expense, but hopefully they have an option for it, though I think it’ll be unlikely.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

The current G80 M3 is your last chance to get what you seek. I suggest you do it now before it’s too late. Keep in mind that the G80 is quite close to the size of the E39 5 series and it strikes a great balance between being big enough to use for everything, but small enough to handle wonderfully.

+1. The M3 is outstanding.

[weingarm]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

The current G80 M3 is your last chance to get what you seek. I suggest you do it now before it’s too late. Keep in mind that the G80 is quite close to the size of the E39 5 series and it strikes a great balance between being big enough to use for everything, but small enough to handle wonderfully.

Very true.

The G80/82 (base 6MT versions) and G87 (6MT) are the last BMW models at the proverbial fork in the road between BMWs’ mechanical past vs their future toward electrification and automation. They’re light(er), have manual transmissions, and handle nimbly.

Not saying what comes next won’t be fast/quick (of course they will be faster/quicker). But 5000+lb sports cars with an automatic transmission (or no transmission at all) will never feel like a 3750lb M2/3/4 with a 6MT.

Get one while you still can.

[evoi19]

I wished they incorporated the g80 front end somehow 🍿

[Nkr15]

Originally Posted by evoi19

I wished they incorporated the g80 front end somehow 🍿

I’ve been on the fence with getting this one, but if they put the g80 front end I would definitely go put down a deposit today.