[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

Times have changed. You can't compare cars from a decade ago to cars now. Regulations have changed forcing car companies to change powertrains and meet safety regulations all while trying to give the masses what they want.

BMW isn't unique if you look at where other cars in its class is heading. The current G80 M3 is about the size of a E39 M5 and weighs more but does it make it a bad car? Nope. Current 5 series is about the size of old 7 series. If you want a small nimble track capable car then go by a civic type r or a porsche cayman. The only thing in the bmw line up is the M2 and even that's not exactly light weight. The M5 was always meant to be a autobahn weapon.

There might be some wiggle room in not wanting an Ariel Atom but also not wanting a 5368 pound sedan.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Agree. Given that BMW engineers can hide the weight it is a shame that they didn't add an additional 800-900 pounds to further keep the car planted.

😂😂

[x622]

Originally Posted by playswcars

Sat in it today at my dealer. What I can say is the car is huge on the outside, without any gain of interior space. It didn't feel more spacious than my G80. Trunk size is also similar. Back seat is small for such a huge car, with tight door bottom openings.

One of the things I noticed immediately was the perceived lack of quality. Outside, the paint had some of the worst orange peel I've ever seen on a brand new car.

The interior is a step backwards in every sense. Or rather, two steps back. The materials, sense of quality and features are truly disappointing. There is so much hard, cheap plastic. The piano black in the middle of the interior already looked like crap in a brand new car. Seats are cheap and feel like an insult after knowing the previous F90/X5M seats. The area below the headrest where the "M5" logo is made of some of the thinnest, cheapest, hollow plastic I've seen in a long time. If you extend the headrest, a big piece of foam suddenly becomes visible. I cannot comprehend how you can go from the F90 seat to this.

The leather also felt strange to me. They're still calling it "Merino" but the texture, look and a certain sort of "sheen" it has make it look and feel cheaper than the Merino of previous generations.

The speaker grilles for the Bowers system are fully made of plastic, and underneath the dash runs a thick strip of cheap hard plastic. The same goes for the door cards and window switch area. So much black plastic and there isn't even a galvanic option anymore.

Another thing that looks crap in person is the "glass" interaction bar running across the interior. It's made of plastic and it looks like plastic. The touch recognition of the capacitive buttons is also hit or miss.

Another thing that really annoyed me was the new iDrive controller. It is completely capacitive now and doesn't physically depress anymore. Depending on how you have your fingers set on it, it would work or not work. Or it would do the opposite of what you want. It's hard to describe without feeling it yourself but the new controller requires an abnormal amount of force to get it do something. I found myself prefering the touchscreen, which is tragic.

Overall very disappointing. I wasn't left with that feeling of "Damn, I gotta have this" like I did with previous M5s or the G80 for example. Getting back inside my G80 CS felt like a class above the new M5 with all the stitched leather, bucket seats and carbon center console.

I suspect there will be heavy discounts to encourage sales once the launch hype settles.

Jesus christ. That was my other big concern. After sitting in the new garbage that BMW makes, I gotta say I'm really gonna miss my older BMWs that I traded in with the expectation that they would make better and better stuff.

That looks worse than my ancient (by today's standards) f80. Time to move to a different brand I guess.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by SexyRoger

TG was good. I really like the new M5. It's an autobahn stormer. In any other country outside of EU. Why? you'll lose your licence. Fascism made it illegal to drive a car and made speed a crime.

Meanwhile they allow terroists, murderers rapists, drunk drivers and illegal immigrants to do as they please. Ask yourself why?

I would choose the new M5 over all old gens of M5 and over the Panamera.

Oh? Over on the 5er forum, The wafter crowd has assured me that the inability to drive faster than 55-65 mph in daily use is no damper on the fun of the car.

I must say that cars like this are nearly pointless outside of Germany. I would say with the exception of track use, but no one tracks a 5 series in any serious way.

[KevinM]

I'm actually impressed with the reviews, all things considered. Especially with the Touring option, the G9X may prove itself yet.

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by anthony412

Why are many saying to wait for the LCI (other than maybe for reliability tweaks)? Has there been anything notable confirmed for improvement on the hybrid motor?

Side note: the interior looks far less premium than my G80 (with full leather). Even the lack of detail on the color-blocked seats is a head scratcher. I say this as someone who will likely buy a G99 regardless, unless we get a G84 touring in America.

The LCI will bring the Panoramic Vision interface with it which is why I’d want to be waiting for.

My other hope is that maybe they will improve the interior material quality a bit to better match what a 5er should be but that is probably just a pipe dream.

[shoe3k]

Originally Posted by x622

Jesus christ. That was my other big concern. After sitting in the new garbage that BMW makes, I gotta say I'm really gonna miss my older BMWs that I traded in with the expectation that they would make better and better stuff.

That looks worse than my ancient (by today's standards) f80. Time to move to a different brand I guess.

I'm not sure what the guy you're quoting is talking about when it comes to interior volume and trunk space. The new 5 series is still significantly larger for interior passenger volume and trunk space. Personally, I can't fit in a g80 rear seat when the front seat is in my driver position, but have no problems doing the same thing in an i5 m60.

I do agree about questioning the interior material quality. I want to sit in one before I make a judgement, but definitely would like to have full merino as an option.

[RPiM5]

The RBR review is the one I like the most as he expresses the best compelling argument as to why one should want to buy a G90. And that is the G90’s ability to not waste gas burning it in 8 cylinders while puttering about town. I do wonder just how much gas I simply wasted in my E60 and F10 M5’s driving 20-30 miles an hour in traffic frustratingly going nowhere fun. Probably 10’s of thousands of dollars. Lol!!

I leased an i5 M60 earlier this year and I gotta say it’s a pretty great car. Besides the killer deal I got on the M60, I am really enjoying the BEV aspect of the car and the efficiency as well as my own personal use case for the i5 M60 which is 90% highway miles as I use it to commute to work sometimes. I was originally thinking that I would just lease the i5 M60 and when my lease was up in 2027, hopefully the LCI G90 M5 would be out and much improved, but thinking about getting the G90 M5 which will be less efficient than the BEV, makes me wonder. I already have my F10 M5 and my G20, and am planning on getting another E60 M5 to fill one of my garage spaces, then what does the G90 M5 really provide me?

I actually really like living with the G60, is it as good as the F10 or the G30? No not in every respect, but it does have some good things going for it, even for the BEV models. The i5 eDrive40 and the M60 are pretty great at fulfilling daily driver duties if you can make a Full BEV work for your lifestyle at this moment in automotive history (I’m mostly talking about public charging infrastructure).

My personal plans are to get another E60 M5, build it up, straight pipe it, and have it as a once in a while weekend car along with my F10 M5. I am also considering ordering an LCI G20 330e as my 2nd daily driver/spouse car, as it has gotten better and holds some advantages over my pure ICE G20 (with some people having reported being able to achieve 40 miles of pure electric range in the LCI 330e). As far as the G90 goes, in my calculations as far as financials are concerned, it’s a terrible prospect to buy one, the only option will be to lease one, as the technology is just moving too fast for the G90 to hold any kind of value now or in the future. For me, I guess the only reason I’d get a G90 is just for the badge, as the i5 M60 is simply more efficient with about 85% of the performance of the G90.

But who knows what BMW will do with the G90? I’m hoping the LCI G90 will have solid state batteries which will improve range and maybe reduce weight. If that’s the case, maybe I’ll get one, and 3 years from now we will see how the values of the G90 have progressed too.

But if BMW is reading this post, as a G60 owner, I can absolutely say without a doubt that one thing that will improve the G60/G90 greatly in the future, is to put Soft Close Doors back on the car. Several times, my passengers and I have had to resort to slamming the doors a bit to get them to close properly. It’s ludicrous to think why BMW didn’t put this simple feature on all current 5-Series. Sometimes, I really don’t understand their product development these days.

As it is, I suppose the G90 is a pretty good car considering the world we are living in now, I’m just hoping the LCI G90 will be that much better in the future to actually compel me to buy one.

Oh it’s also a shame about the slow downshifts in the G90 as shown by some reviewers in their videos. This is one thing the F10 M5 excels at. The DCT will be immortal!

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

The RBR review is the one I like the most as he expresses the best compelling argument as to why one should want to buy a G90. And that is the G90’s ability to not waste gas burning it in 8 cylinders while puttering about town. I do wonder just how much gas I simply wasted in my E60 and F10 M5’s driving 20-30 miles an hour in traffic frustatingly going nowhere fun. Probably 10’s of thousands of dollars. Lol!!

I leased an i5 M60 earlier this year and I gotta say it’s a pretty great car. Besides the killer deal I got on the M60, I am really enjoying the BEV aspect of the car and the efficiency as well as my own personal use case for the i5 M60 which is 90% highway miles as I use it to commute to work sometimes. I was originally thinking that I would just lease the i5 M60 and when my lease was up in 2027, hopefully the LCI G90 M5 would be out and much improved, but thinking about getting the G90 M5 which will be less efficient than the BEV, makes me wonder. I already have my F10 M5 and my G20, and am planning on getting another E60 M5 to fill one of my garage spaces, then what does the G90 M5 really provide me?

I actually really like living with the G60, is it as good as the F10 or the G30? No not in every respect, but it does have some good things going for it, even for the BEV models. The i5 eDrive40 and the M60 are pretty great at fulfilling daily driver duties if you can make a Full BEV work for your lifestyle at this moment in automotive history (I’m mostly talking about public charging infrastructure).

My personal plans are to get another E60 M5, [...]

The i5 gets refreshed in early 2025 so we’ll see what kind of battery tech it gets. I would doubt that it would be anything significant like solid state batteries. Probably some minor tweaks to the batteries and motors to improve overall range. The LCI for the 5 series overall, including G90/99, is supposed to bring the Panoramic Vision technology but that hits in early 2027 so again less than three years away so I wouldn’t expect any major changes to the batteries there either.

[mitch65]

I was at the Dealer with a friend who was looking the the i5 M60. They are giving them away !! He was offered 13% off plus the $8500 in rebates on a $95,600 msrp car, with no trade in. Payment on a 36/10K was only $845 Plus tax with only $2800 Drive Off including 9.5% tax. Wondering if the G90 sells slowly next year if we will be looking at $1300 lease payments instead of the $2100 being quoted now. We took the i5 M60 for a spin and sure, it was quick but it felt so cheap inside, too much hard plastic and those strange door pulls inside the door ?? F90 owners will miss the soft close doors. Car handles well but just feels big compared to my F90. It felt like you were driving a 7 Series. Need to test drive the G90 to compare.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by chicagofan00

The i5 gets refreshed in early 2025 so we’ll see what kind of battery tech it gets. I would doubt that it would be anything significant like solid state batteries. Probably some minor tweaks to the batteries and motors to improve overall range. The LCI for the 5 series overall, including G90/99, is supposed to bring the Panoramic Vision technology but that hits in early 2027 so again less than three years away so I wouldn’t expect any major changes to the batteries there either.

Indeed, I already read about it for the i5. The e-motors will get upgraded to be more efficient, but I think the power output will remain the same as well as the battery tech.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by mitch65

I was at the Dealer with a friend who was looking the the i5 M60. They are giving them away !! He was offered 13% off plus the $8500 in rebates on a $95,600 msrp car, with no trade in. Payment on a 36/10K was only $845 Plus tax with only $2800 Drive Off including 9.5% tax. Wondering if the G90 sells slowly next year if we will be looking at $1300 lease payments instead of the $2100 being quoted now. We took the i5 M60 for a spin and sure, it was quick but it felt so cheap inside, too much hard plastic and those strange door pulls inside the door ?? F90 owners will miss the soft close doors. Car handles well but just feels big compared to my F90. It felt like you were driving a 7 Series. Need to test drive the G90 to compare.

That’s one reason I got the i5 M60 over the G90 M5. Total discounts, incentives and rebates, had me walking out the door with such a low car payment, it was almost as much as much as my G20. I spoke with many dealers about the G90 M5, no discounts for the foreseeable future, and $2,200 lease payments will be the norm for a while. From a leasing perspective it just didn’t make sense.

True, the MSRP of the G90 M5 is great if you compare it to its direct competitors, it’s almost a steal really, but when you start calculating the G90’s true value as a financial transaction, the numbers don’t add up, but it’s even worse for cars like the Panamera E-Hybrid or Mercedes GT63. I guess people just like flushing money down the toilet?? 🤷‍♂️

I’d rather spend $50 grand more than what a loaded G90 M5 costs and get a used 12 year old Ferrari 458 for around $200k these days, and you can rest assured the 458’s values are not going down any time soon.

[Blue Sky]

How is it that the i5 M60 is getting refreshed in 2025? It only came out as a 2024 model, and 2025 incoming hasn’t hit the dealers yet. I think we need to see a quote that there’s anything like a refresh coming for this car, other than some minor options changes.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by gblansten

There might be some wiggle room in not wanting an Ariel Atom but also not wanting a 5368 pound sedan.

It's the way of the world...e63, Panamera, rs6 are all going to be 5000lbs sedans with hybrid tech. Its emissions , regulations and country specific requirements. Global cars has very many needs to meet.

Only way it will go back down is if emissions change and or batteries get much much lighter as that is the bulk of the weight gain.

The CT5 blackwing will be the last lightweight sedan to ride into the sunset as caddy said it's being replaced with an EV. If thr CT5 blackwing was a global car GM would have to do the same as it would be cost prohibited to sell and fail emissions.

[LowerEast]

Originally Posted by TLK

How is it that the i5 M60 is getting refreshed in 2025? It only came out as a 2024 model, and 2025 incoming hasn’t hit the dealers yet. I think we need to see a quote that there’s anything like a refresh coming for this car, other than some minor options changes.

From the new model information on this forum.

In production until 06/30.

03/25: i5 models refreshed (improvements to the batteries and/or motors, power output doesn't change). eDrive40 dropped with the refresh.

03/27: Interface switch to Panoramic Vision. Passenger screen becomes available as an option.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by shoe3k

I'm not sure what the guy you're quoting is talking about when it comes to interior volume and trunk space. The new 5 series is still significantly larger for interior passenger volume and trunk space. Personally, I can't fit in a g80 rear seat when the front seat is in my driver position, but have no problems doing the same thing in an i5 m60.

I do agree about questioning the interior material quality. I want to sit in one before I make a judgement, but definitely would like to have full merino as an option.

The first time I checked out an i5 M60 I was blown away by the cheapness of the interior. A G80 is a much nicer place to be and offers the same amount of space.

[Blue Sky]

Originally Posted by LowerEast

From the new model information on this forum.

In production until 06/30.

03/25: i5 models refreshed (improvements to the batteries and/or motors, power output doesn't change). eDrive40 dropped with the refresh.

03/27: Interface switch to Panoramic Vision. Passenger screen becomes available as an option.

I believe you are referring to this post: https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

That seems kind of thin information. I searched for this on the web, and bloggers are really just referring to this post.

[LowerEast]

Originally Posted by TLK

I believe you are referring to this post: https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

That seems kind of thin information. I searched for this on the web, and bloggers are really just referring to this post.

Yes, referring to that post. For a long time it has proved to be a very reliable source for information on upcoming BMW models and has been almost always correct. I’d be shocked if it was incorrect about an update that’s less than 6 months away.

[nick380]

Most of those reviews feel so fake and artificial. They scream "BMW please give me more cars". No one mentions any of the features lost. Soft closed doors, rear window shades, massage seats... the lowered priced is explained through that alone. Now throw in performance that barely rivals the prior F90 Comp. in straight line speed. It's already known on the track the F90's weight is an issue, the G90 only amplifies this further. The F90 was an evolution. No one mentions that it lost weight compared to the F10 WHILE gaining AWD. M division folks aren't stupid, but if all these reviews just stroke the companies ego no proper changes will be prioritized. This car is merely a Frankenstein chassis built to comply with EU regulations. As BMW Blog stated in their review the F90 will be better M experience vs the G90, and that alone is what makes the G90 a failure in my opinion. The next generation EV only M5 will far outperform this one in every metric besides sound for obvious reasons. I'd even wager weight. I'll just wait for that.

[hb]

Originally Posted by nick380

Most of those reviews feel so fake and artificial. They scream "BMW please give me more cars". No one mentions any of the features lost. Soft closed doors, rear window shades, massage seats... the lowered priced is explained through that alone. Now throw in performance that barely rivals the prior F90 Comp. in straight line speed. It's already known on the track the F90's weight is an issue, the G90 only amplifies this further. The F90 was an evolution. No one mentions that it lost weight compared to the F10 WHILE gaining AWD. M division folks aren't stupid, but if all these reviews just stroke the companies ego no proper changes will be prioritized. This car is merely a Frankenstein chassis built to comply with EU regulations. As BMW Blog stated in their review the F90 will be better M experience vs the G90, and that alone is what makes the G90 a failure in my opinion. The next generation EV only M5 will far outperform this one in every metric besides sound for obvious reasons. I'd even wager weight. I'll just wait for that.

An insight into these events. Time is limited, very limited I would say and you need to prioritize. So personally I like to focus on the driving experience because the event is setup around that. Then at a later date, usually weeks later, when we get a car for a week or so, then we go into other details. Things like soft close doors, quality and all of that was already addressed by most of us in previous "static" reviews of the car.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by nick380

Most of those reviews feel so fake and artificial. They scream "BMW please give me more cars". No one mentions any of the features lost. Soft closed doors, rear window shades, massage seats... the lowered priced is explained through that alone. Now throw in performance that barely rivals the prior F90 Comp. in straight line speed. It's already known on the track the F90's weight is an issue, the G90 only amplifies this further. The F90 was an evolution. No one mentions that it lost weight compared to the F10 WHILE gaining AWD. M division folks aren't stupid, but if all these reviews just stroke the companies ego no proper changes will be prioritized. This car is merely a Frankenstein chassis built to comply with EU regulations. As BMW Blog stated in their review the F90 will be better M experience vs the G90, and that alone is what makes the G90 a failure in my opinion. The next generation EV only M5 will far outperform this one in every metric besides sound for obvious reasons. I'd even wager weight. I'll just wait for that.

I second your comment. I am not a hater, and I am open to change, but I am not sure of the path BMW is heading with this M5. It feels kind of half baked. It is too heavy compared to ICE or EV cars, and it feels too cheap to be a luxurious car (although its as heavy as one)

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I second your comment. I am not a hater, and I am open to change, but I am not sure of the path BMW is heading with this M5. It feels kind of half baked. It is too heavy compared to ICE or EV cars, and it feels too cheap to be a luxurious car (although its as heavy as one)

i know this has been said 20 times now... but its the weight of a Rolls Royce Ghost lol... there is just something inherently wrong w that