[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

Seen and driven the G70 3.3T. Not as impressed as you were. Found the interior to be a bit ran of the mill and the dashboard reeks Hyundai Sonata right down to the infotainment system. Decent car but probably a far better buy used after the first year depreciation (35-40%) has hit the first owner.

Good effort. I am sure the next gen will be far better. The G70 still six years behind the G20.

And for me a sedan has to offer decent back seat accommodations. With 2 very tall kids is a must.

Close but no cigar. I would take a G20 M340i over the G70 3.3T twice daily and four times on Sunday

Well it's not fair to compare the current gen G70 to the new G20. It is a complete generation apart. Now once you compare it with the new design language seen in the G80, that's a much better comparison and also a massive leap in quality and design.

I spent some time in the G90, which in a sense is still behind the new G80 in design so I can get a feel of the materials. In that case, it was on par if not better than what BMW offered.

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Subarus are crap as well

Consider yourself blessed

Love is what makes a Subaru a Subaru!

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by SabineBimmer

Isn't JD Power a market-research firm that companies pay into, in order to get said research? And only if you pay into the company are you then eligible to receive these awards?

https://jalopnik.com/everything-you-...r-a-1818818969

I've seen mention of this before and have since not given any f***s about them. Have you all seen those God-awful Chevy ads? Lol

Yep, probably pay-to-play. I really don't give much weight to JD Power survey results; other than the mail-in survey they send you to fill out when you buy a new car (and especially since my "new" Porsche has recurring issues and was on top when I bought it). Consumer reports might be more realistic.

. ..and yes! Those Chevy commercials are sooo annoying! I put them on mute when they come on.

[Unknown_Car]

All fake. More money paid higher you sit. Honda blows away bmw like nothing in reliability out of the house and few miles away.

[Miko M]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Chevy & Ford both stopped making cars, so that's mostly based on trucks and crossovers

I am making parts for Bronco now and it should be revealed on July 13 and I am still making changes to the part and wait.... they don't even test it.

Every part should be tested for durability before you should start selling. That's why Ford has more recalls then anyone else.

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I am making parts for Bronco now and it should be revealed on July 13 and I am still making changes to the part and wait.... they don't even test it.

Every part should be tested for durability before you should start selling. That's why Ford has more recalls then anyone else.

So true and a lot of these problems are for minor issues (like not being able to navigate your infotainment systems) and they weigh those equally to mechanical issues; therefore not a reliable survey.

It seems the more basic cars have less advanced technology, therefore less problems. Silly IMO.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

All fake. More money paid higher you sit. Honda blows away bmw like nothing in reliability out of the house and few miles away.

Honda isn't what it used to be..

[Dagamus_NM]

Originally Posted by 335xi Beast

Dont get me started on the N63 engine. Lets just say both of my past 550i's were a joke. They took off at least 2 years of my life!!

LOL. My 550i has been fine but it has an n63tu as well as a route 66 warranty to 120K or October 2025. My little brother had the car for three years before me without problems.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by super51fan

It's almost as if they should take a small subsets of cars, let's say 100, and find the average problems from each of those subsets

It really is amazing how few people really understand or choose to ignore how the ratings are tabulated. It always boils down to people being skeptical about any result that doesn't fall in line with their own preconceived notions generated from internet hearsay or anecdote. The reality is that these ratings are as reliable a measuring stick as we have.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

All fake. More money paid higher you sit. Honda blows away bmw like nothing in reliability out of the house and few miles away.

Did you just walk out of a time machine from 1995? They have had a lot of issues with the 1.5L turbo engine and oil dilution hence the warranty extension for over a million vehicles. Their paint is amongst the worst in the industry as are their infotainment systems. It's not just JD Power as Consumer Reports also mirrors the findings;

https://www.designnews.com/electroni...honda-declines

[RMNB]

Originally Posted by Dagamus_NM

LOL. My 550i has been fine but it has an n63tu as well as a route 66 warranty to 120K or October 2025. My little brother had the car for three years before me without problems.

You're a lucky sob. I got 2 bad apples I suppose. My indy just mentioned BMW charges 3k for a new engine with all the accessories that go with it. Cheap right! No. Just applying more makeup on an ugly pig. Problems galore so they give folks a little break on cost knowing this keep brand loyalty. Only quick fix option they based upon keeping us brain washed for these cars. Hell, I still am.

[5.M0NSTER]

This is the 3rd or 4th year of quality study showing US manufactures as well as Hyundai/Kia higher, or as high as BMW. Minus FCA of course, Chrysler has been bottom of the barrel for a long while.

Kudos to Koreans, kudos to BMW, Kudos to GM and Ford.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I have a different take on Ford. Considering how we beat our Ford's to death and they more or less run all day between 3 shifts without much rest, the cars/SUV's hold up well. The same applies to the Chevy's in our fleet.

I wonder how our BMW's would hold up being run/operated 20-21 hours a day while never being shut off, driven hard during those 20-21 hours......every single day.

I saw the first G21 police car in Munich the other day btw. Some german states discontinued the F31 because the trunk was too small, but Bavaria keeps going.

Don't know how much they are beaten around though.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by 335xi Beast

You're a lucky sob. I got 2 bad apples I suppose. My indy just mentioned BMW charges 3k for a new engine with all the accessories that go with it. Cheap right! No. Just applying more makeup on an ugly pig. Problems galore so they give folks a little break on cost knowing this keep brand loyalty. Only quick fix option they based upon keeping us brain washed for these cars. Hell, I still am.

I learned long ago to avoid BMW V8's after my dad's E39 540i and my friend's E38 740i. Their Inline-6's are much less problematic.

[04cobra]

These surveys are worthless IMO. If someone brings in the car because they cant connect their phone via bluetooth, thats considered an issue.

[thez99]

Originally Posted by Whyte_Diamonds

Agreed. VW ruined my German car experience. I vowed never to buy another German car again. Went Japanese the next remaining vehicles then rolled the dice on the F80. Lol

I completely disagree with both of you on vw. I’ve had 4 diff gti models dating back to a mk5 all new in their current years and have been equally happy and impressed with them all. Very few issues with them overall. I only traded my last car which was a mk7 gti with 23k miles because I was able to find the 135i I’m in now and doing so significantly reduced my payment and the amount of owed towards the car. May not seem like a big deal to most but I’m def not rich by any means, so I took it. Though I love having a 135i again I do very much miss quite a few things about my gti. Namely the seats and seat/pedal position which are completely different from the 1er. I honestly thought I’d never go back to leather seats and I did and kind of wish I could’ve supplemented the sexy Interlagos seats from my gti. The gti had an amazing amount of cargo space given it was a hatch and a 4 door. Also really liked the way the car handled around curves and higher speed turns where the 135 stock has a harder time with sways and obviously understeer. There’s plenty to love about the 1er but honestly I’ve been very happy with vw over the years. I’m keeping my 1er and I’ll likely mod the suspension a bit but I’ve done most of the modding I want to do at this point

[Mingwan]

The irony of Genesis being number one.

[SabineBimmer]

Hearing a lot about BMW reliability and agree fully. Lease them, don't own them.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

These surveys are worthless IMO. If someone brings in the car because they cant connect their phone via bluetooth, thats considered an issue.

Cars cost thousands of dollars. Shouldn't we expect them to perform simple things like connect to the phone if it's a feature included in the price you paid? I would argue phone connection is more important to the average driver dependant on hands free communication than say rock chips or a rattling noise from an exhaust.

[x5mannn]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

It really is amazing how few people really understand or choose to ignore how the ratings are tabulated. It always boils down to people being skeptical about any result that doesn't fall in line with their own preconceived notions generated from internet hearsay or anecdote. The reality is that these ratings are as reliable a measuring stick as we have.

True
I had J D Power call me after three days of ownership. I had not even driven the car as it was delivered to me and put in my garage and I went on a business trip. I told them that right off and they said ok it will only take 5 minutes and they tried to ask me 75 questions. Like how did I like the infotainment, how was the paint, did I have rattles , how did I feel about the seats, how were the colors. I told them look I didn't drive it , I didn't play with it , I am not answering your questions. The interviewer didn't care , kept asking away.
It's like it doesn't matter if you drive or use the car , it's only how you feel about it new. I don't know which rating that was but I would not believe anything they say.
This would definitely hurt those manufacturers whose infotainment have large learning curves like the euro manufacturers.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I am making parts for Bronco now and it should be revealed on July 13 and I am still making changes to the part and wait.... they don't even test it.

Every part should be tested for durability before you should start selling. That's why Ford has more recalls then anyone else.

That's why they've been called F'd Over Raw Deal, for lightyears

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by J-RO

Love is what makes a Subaru a Subaru!

Looking for love 💕 in all the wrong places...

Bless their little hearts