[Esteban]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Whisk(e)y is just corn juice
Beer is just barley/hop juice

Yeah, and vodka is potato juice… and such.

[Tommy-G]

Way to take the wind out of my sails guys...thanks

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Tommy-G

Way to take the wind out of my sails guys...thanks

Sorry Tommy, we're just having some fun. Good luck. I hope you are successful.

PS - just don't become a grouchy old man without it.

[tranquility]

It's eye-opening that this is such a vice/addiction for many ppl, luckily I never had that prb or any real craving, it just generally tastes nasty unless it's srsly dressed up in sweet liquor for me, like Baileys or Kahlua. I personally don't get it, esp for ppl to abuse it to the extreme for it to have dire health, relationship and/or legal consequences.

Another shocking thing hearing Bill Burr, he finally kicked this habit, along w cigars, since he feels responsible now w a wife and 2 kids...but then he turns around and says he would indulge w his wife on vacation alone by smoking weed and doing edibles and mushrooms(!)....WHAT?! LOL.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Tommy-G

Way to take the wind out of my sails guys...thanks

Just tell people you’re on a juicing diet.

[Burnt C6]

Originally Posted by tranquility

It's eye-opening that this is such a vice/addiction for many ppl, luckily I never had that prb or any real craving, it just generally tastes nasty unless it's srsly dressed up in sweet liquor for me, like Baileys or Kahlua. I personally don't get it, esp for ppl to abuse it to the extreme for it to have dire health, relationship and/or legal consequences.

Another shocking thing hearing Bill Burr, he finally kicked this habit, along w cigars, since he feels responsible now w a wife and 2 kids...but then he turns around and says he would indulge w his wife on vacation alone by smoking weed and doing edibles and mushrooms(!)....WHAT?! LOL.

I talk with a lot of people in Recovery. For many of them it wasn't a choice. The addiction / craving had taken over them. I was fortunate enough that it didn't get there but I wasn't to far from being that person and it was causing a lot of problems in my life. Most of us that have made the decision to stop have to make that decision every morning. Do I live my life to the fullest in the way that I was created to do or become the person I had been? There is a Video called Pleasure Unwoven by Dr Kevin McCauley. Great Video that will explain a lot for you in case you are interested.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Burnt C6

I talk with a lot of people in Recovery. For many of them it wasn't a choice. The addiction / craving had taken over them. I was fortunate enough that it didn't get there but I wasn't to far from being that person and it was causing a lot of problems in my life. Most of us that have made the decision to stop have to make that decision every morning. Do I live my life to the fullest in the way that I was created to do or become the person I had been? There is a Video called Pleasure Unwoven by Dr Kevin McCauley. Great Video that will explain a lot for you in case you are interested.

I do have sympathy for those ppl but I really wonder is it just in their minds, or genetics, cultural, etc? Are they really helpless like an involuntary sickness or did they make a choice and let it spiral out of control?

[freakystyly]

Alcohol tolerance is a slippery slope. It changes the more you drink until... it doesn't.
Also I think genetics do play a part.

[Burnt C6]

Originally Posted by tranquility

I do have sympathy for those ppl but I really wonder is it just in their minds, or genetics, cultural, etc? Are they really helpless like an involuntary sickness or did they make a choice and let it spiral out of control?

For every person the answer will be different. I don't think that anyone chose to become addicted but the line can be crossed pretty easily. Recovery isn't easy, it takes a lot more work for someone to stay Sober than it does to stay in the addiction.

[rebekahb]

I can't get behind the genetics thing 100%. I come from a long line of alcoholics and drug addicts. I was the first one on my dads side of the family not to be an addict. My sister wasn't either. My Mom's adopted and recently learned her parents were alcoholics. If you want to go the genetics route I definitely had the cards stacked against me. I chose not to go down that road. I saw how drugs and alcohol fucked up their lives. I wanted no part of that. When I was younger I didn't drink alone or at home. Even now that I'm older I rarely drink at home. If I do, it's a glass or wine or two. Do I think you can be predisposed? Yes, but it's an easy cop out to use that as an excuse. If you grew up in that life, you see how it wrecks the life of the addict and those around. I feel like trauma and lack of coping skills are larger culprits that bring people to addiction. Even though my Dad has been sober for many years his life is still a large mess. While I was typing this I got a text from someone he owes money to.

I prefer to keep alcohol in moderation. I really enjoy a good glass of wine with dinner. On Fat Tuesday, I partied like a rock star and was hung over. I just don't enjoy that feeling anymore. I don't drink during the week just because there is no point to me.

[Tommy-G]

I'm not sold on genetics either. My parents NEVER drank and still dont, not even a glass a wine a year. At 23yrs old I got into the club life and was drinking (never drugs) and never had a problem.
Ever since the pandemic and sitting home, I started to feel like crap. Not hungover, just like crap after a weekend of chilling in the pool drinking or watching TV around the house. I put on about 20 pounds and I'm not liking it.
I dont get a drunk feeling
I dont get a typical hangover
I just want to feel better and do better.

[freakystyly]

What about people who get "fighty" on the brown stuff? People who get super talkative? People who pass out vs puke? I don't know... I don't think those things are learned are they? Everyone's different I don't think it isn't at least partially genetic.

[Maynard]

Best answer thus far is that addiction is multiply-determined; there is pretty clearly a genetic route, as well as behavioral/psychological one. The latter includes all the trauma/distress that makes people want to drink to forget - unfortunately most addiction programs don't do so well at addressing this underlying motivation.

Some genotypes overproduce an irritating metabolite that only more alcohol can dampen - it is like a physiological version of going to a loanshark to pay bills: the more you drink, the more you need to drink (until you pass out). The only real way to control it is to not drink. Also some suspicions that there are in-utero or translational effects that can strongly predispose people to either seek intoxication or not be able to exert much self-control once intoxicated. Genetics is seldom 100%, so you don't always end up like your bio parents. And none of this excuses the problem drinking, it just makes it much harder to regain control.

[Germanauto]

Just got back from 7 straight nights of drinking, Miami then NYC. Got sloshed one of the nights in Miami, puked and hungover yada yada. Otherwise I didn't go too hard. Just enough to get buzzed and talk to babes.

Needless to say, I'm avoiding alcohol for a while.

[Hawkeye]

Are there any benefits to driving a BMW instead of a Honda? I'd say because it is fun and provides a pleasurable experience. Is there any benefits to racing cars? Any benefits to anything that increases risk for the sake of enjoyment?

Do you only eat food that is healthy for you?

This is a dumb question. If you don't find enjoyment in drinking then don't do it. If you do then go for it, but like with everything else, moderation is key.

[Nuckle]

I am drinking some good red wine now. How much is not relevant.

[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by Maynard

Best answer thus far is that addiction is multiply-determined; there is pretty clearly a genetic route, as well as behavioral/psychological one. The latter includes all the trauma/distress that makes people want to drink to forget - unfortunately most addiction programs don't do so well at addressing this underlying motivation.

Some genotypes overproduce an irritating metabolite that only more alcohol can dampen - it is like a physiological version of going to a loanshark to pay bills: the more you drink, the more you need to drink (until you pass out). The only real way to control it is to not drink. Also some suspicions that there are in-utero or translational effects that can strongly predispose people to either seek intoxication or not be able to exert much self-control once intoxicated. Genetics is seldom 100%, so you don't always end up like your bio parents. And none of this excuses the problem drinking, it just makes it much harder to regain control.

Originally Posted by Maynard

Best answer thus far is that addiction is multiply-determined; there is pretty clearly a genetic route, as well as behavioral/psychological one. The latter includes all the trauma/distress that makes people want to drink to forget - unfortunately most addiction programs don't do so well at addressing this underlying motivation.

Some genotypes overproduce an irritating metabolite that only more alcohol can dampen - it is like a physiological version of going to a loanshark to pay bills: the more you drink, the more you need to drink (until you pass out). The only real way to control it is to not drink. Also some suspicions that there are in-utero or translational effects that can strongly predispose people to either seek intoxication or not be able to exert much self-control once intoxicated. Genetics is seldom 100%, so you don't always end up like your bio parents. And none of this excuses the problem drinking, it just makes it much harder to regain control.

A friend of mine who was born diabetic drinks whiskey - a couple glasses no prob - midday afternoon - says it greatly helps his blood sugar or something. Any truth to that?

[its55]

I have two drinks / week, only on friday and saturday evenings, usually combined with dinner. I find it to be relaxing. Mostly I like sipping a good whiskey or bourbon (neat). Sampling the different brands is fun and interesting to me. The key to drinking (like most things) is to not do it in excess. Just drinking to get hammered is pretty senseless IMO as you just end up paying a price for it later.

[its55]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

A friend of mine who was born diabetic drinks whiskey - a couple glasses no prob - midday afternoon - says it greatly helps his blood sugar or something. Any truth to that?

Its an excuse to drink - obviously if he just needs some extra sugar there are more healthful ways.

[TTM0TION]

Wine is the nectar of the Gods.

[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by its55

Its an excuse to drink - obviously if he just needs some extra sugar there are more healthful ways.

Originally Posted by its55

Its an excuse to drink - obviously if he just needs some extra sugar there are more healthful ways.

I forget exactly how he explained it unfortunately - something about sugar alcohols I forget - maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in, he's a smart dude - but it does seem worrisome.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

I forget exactly how he explained it unfortunately - something about sugar alcohols I forget - maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in, he's a smart dude - but it does seem worrisome.

Even my Dr tells me the alcohol consumption can "distract" the liver from releasing glycogen and thereby reduce bs levels.
Having been Insulin-dependent for 41 years, and drinking for 38 of those, it hasn't been MY experience