[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

We didn't even get a full/legit review yet...

These initial press drives with the camo car rarely tell us anything.

Love how everyone is quick to jump to conclusions without any real review but read off a spec sheet and pretend like they know how the car feels to drive. Not sure how everyone is suddenly into HP and torque but personally, if BMW nailed the chassis tuning, I would take that instead of this never ending increase of HP between generations.

Well that’s true but we have a pretty good indication of what the car is about and it’s disappointing to most of us. Or alot of us. I was hoping I wouldn’t be but honestly I knew I probably would be.

Hp /tq is importance to buyers of cars like these always. Nothing new there. The handling is important too of course and they did a good job there with what they had to work with. M chassis engineers are amazing but they can only do what they can do. The car is mad heavy and it is what it is. The main gripe I have aside from weight is the car is significantly slower than the f90 and they are intentionally leaving performance on the table like they did with the xm/label Red Bull shit. No comp trim? wtf? Ya ok. So I get to spend 140+ on this thing so I’m 6 months they can introduce the real one the comp model with 80-100 hp more that will actually give the slight performance improvement we should have had from day 1? Ya uhhhh No. f that. I’m so out on that bs. I worked be so mad if they pulled that crap. This car should and could be over 800 hp which is what this heavy pig needs to beat last gen and I don’t think I’m going to spend all that money and deal when massive depreciation when I will want to Get the comp version next year. I’m good. I think I’m going to pass off this car. Sadly. I’ve been waiting for this car to debut due 2 years. Ugh

[Siren_G]

I think it’s the estate that’s going to sell really well. Not so sure about the saloon

[Schn3ll]

Terrible.

Slower, way heavier, less fun - but hey you might save 3mpg! No one that buys cars like this cares about gas prices, big miss by BMW again.


They should also fire all their pink haired designers, these cars are a jumbled mess that no one can say is aesthetically beautiful now let alone 10 years from now.

[wesleyan92]

People losing their $hit, but all for naught.

Some of the hyperbole here is so over the top.

Car looks spectacular. I am so glad the launch color is more traditional and not something edgy.

Can’t wait to go back to the M5 (Year 2 or 3) after my “bridge” M8 lease is up in 2026.

[Schn3ll]

Originally Posted by x622

Nice cope but the AMG GT E sucks to drive, and so does the Panny hybrid.. and the cayenne hybrid.

Wut? Tell me you’ve never driven these cars without telling me you’ve never driven these cars.

[M3JetPilot]

Honest question for everyone. Is there a size and weight for a vehicle that pushes it outside of being a Motorsport type of vehicle? If BMW did a 7,000 lb Minivan M is it still Motorsport at that point?

[robopp]

Porsche added hybrid and 100% lambda 1 to the 911 GTS and only added 150lbs. Meanwhile, BMW adds 1000lbs and produces a vehicle that’s inferior to the one it’s replacing. In what world does that make sense? If Porsche can do it, BMW can too. They’re just not trying.

[CarlosM4]

Bentley did a Full PHEV Continental (launched the same day) and its lighter than the M5 G90. The M5 has got no active sway bars, active engine mounts and it weighs as much as the moon.

The official performance figures released are the same as the stock F90 M5, albeit a bit quicker to 200 (0.2s)

Its a disappointment to be honest.

Most likely there will be Competition CSL and CS versions with less weight, added chassis tech and more power, making this a stupid proposition as of right now

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by robopp

Porsche added hybrid and 100% lambda 1 to the 911 GTS and only added 150lbs. Meanwhile, BMW adds 1000lbs and produces a vehicle that’s inferior to the one it’s replacing. In what world does that make sense? If Porsche can do it, BMW can too. They’re just not trying.

Porsche did it right. They use hybrid assistance to get rid of turbo lag and support ICE where it lacks the most. Bmw put much bigger battery with electric motor to be able to use it in electric mode only for that 40 miles or so. That made that tremendous weight increase. Power to weight of this car is much worse than F90 that remained lighter despite adding xdrive. It’s all about EU regulations for the lineup to be under certain CO2 emissions. Too bad they used M5 to lower it. Car looks like bloated pig now. Suddenly M3 looks like fantastic proposition.

[J-RO]

The rear seems odd .

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

Honest question for everyone. Is there a size and weight for a vehicle that pushes it outside of being a Motorsport type of vehicle? If BMW did a 7,000 lb Minivan M is it still Motorsport at that point?

you can take a look at vehicles competing in specific classes. Usually some of the drivetrain h/w and tech, cooling, chassis etc. from the race vehicle is used in the production vehicle as well.

A minivan or suv designated as some motorsport vehicle is an oxymoron from a functional point of view for racing and hpde events. Weight and balance, fuel consumption, cg, tire and brake wear are the top concerns even for folks attending advanced hpde. Even Tirerack Street Survival drivers ed for teens will not allow high CG vehicles if they are at high risk of roll-over.

As an example, if you take this new m5 to hpde and have a flat tire, you will need to think about lifting it. Or you may crack a brake pad or have some other issue. You will be managing 5.5-6k lbs. At some point this is not feasable for single owners. Will you need to trailer it to events instead so that you don’t get stranded? Miata next to you will be having fun all day long while you have a very complex 150k queen that is in bad mood.

Here is an example, check out specs:
https://www.bmwusa.com/motorsport/bmw-m4-gt3.html

F82 gt4:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...rience-review/

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by robopp

Porsche added hybrid and 100% lambda 1 to the 911 GTS and only added 150lbs. Meanwhile, BMW adds 1000lbs and produces a vehicle that’s inferior to the one it’s replacing. In what world does that make sense? If Porsche can do it, BMW can too. They’re just not trying.

This right here is it. Exactly.

[Stlthnmrdrd]

Coolant expansion tank at the same exact spot again.

Lets see how this one holds up.

[Rossocorsa]

Originally Posted by robopp

Porsche added hybrid and 100% lambda 1 to the 911 GTS and only added 150lbs. Meanwhile, BMW adds 1000lbs and produces a vehicle that’s inferior to the one it’s replacing. In what world does that make sense? If Porsche can do it, BMW can too. They’re just not trying.

Porsche did hybrid right and innovated with e-turbo. No only does it pass emissions and is lambda=1, the engine is much more responsive, has a wider and higher torque and hp graph, and they shaved 9s at the nurburgring from the prior gen. They add 150lb. That’s what BMW should have done, but instead got super lazy.

No wonder they are pricing the new m5 for shit. They know it won’t sell well.

[jackaleyess]

Originally Posted by Defragster

510cm long, 500kg heavier, and has the same trunk space and leg space as M3/M4, but way less usefull due to ridiculous shape of trunk.

50k € more then m3/m4, but same 0-100 (or even worse, same on paper ). Will drive way worse in turns, nightmare to park.

No carbon fibre on the steering wheel. M3/m4 - carbon.
Plastic paddle shifters, while m3/m4 gets full carbon.

No carbon fibre diffuser in the package.

No real shifter, only paddles.

Looks good, but that front camera offset - whoever approved that should just be fired immediately, lol.

Love the new interior combos, especially orange/black with green exterior.

Overall, m3 /m4 over this any given day. I see zero reason to get this and i would wait for panamera gts in july with v8 and no hybrid bs if i was looking to spend that much for a saloon.

Exactly, my nxt M would be just M3/M4. Sadly they have discontinued the beautiful M8.

BMW really needs a reform in their design and engineering department. It seems like it has been infiltrated by ppl of diversity without the love for driving machines.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by jackaleyess

Exactly, my nxt M would be just M3/M4. Sadly they have discontinued the beautiful M8.

BMW really needs a reform in their design and engineering department. It seems like it has been infiltrated by ppl of diversity without the love for driving machines.

I don't think there is an issue with the engineering department.
They come up with good stuff if they want (M5 CS, the current gen M2/M3 G8x), the mesmerizingly quick and fun to drive X5/X6 M Competition.

The thing is, for the new M5 they started with a flawed concept from the get go. Its too heavy.

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

We didn't even get a full/legit review yet...

These initial press drives with the camo car rarely tell us anything.

Love how everyone is quick to jump to conclusions without any real review but read off a spec sheet and pretend like they know how the car feels to drive. Not sure how everyone is suddenly into HP and torque but personally, if BMW nailed the chassis tuning, I would take that instead of this never ending increase of HP between generations.

Car with power to weight ratio worse more than 10% will not be better. Maybe we are quick to jump to conclusions but it’s based one one thing. Physics. It has gazzilion of options and settings and it will be worse than previous car in every aspect except for one. Comfort. You will see how reviews will say how it’s more comfortable than it’s predecessor. Comfort is one of things that you can make better despite vehicle being heavier. Check out RR and Bentleys. They’re not exactly featherweight. Nobody complains about it though. Because they were never sport sedans. And that’s what M5 has always been. Pinnacle of sport sedan. It is not anymore. It’s another overpriced luxury offering that’s plenty to choose from on the market.

[HXS]

No one noticed the Hankook tires?!

[GaoKS]

BMW needs to perform a suspiscion of espionage internal affairs investigation into their M division design team to see if there are hidden, long standing allegiances to other brands on their teams. I smell a rat. Only plausible explanation.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by 335i101

Is anyone else pissed that it’s slower? I realize it’s fast enough, but I can’t think of any car where the newest generation was slower than its predecessor.

I am #1 on the waitlist at my dealership and I am having second thoughts. I realize it’s still quick as hell and it has other stuff like pure ev mode, better mileage, etc…but I don’t care about that stuff.

I don’t even car that it’s 1000lbs heavier as I have another car to drive if I am looking for speed and handling….but I am sort of in shock that someone could by a 2018 model and for 50k and beat the 727hp 2025 model…

Heck, I don’t even care if it had the same acceleration as the previous model, but why are they going backwards?!?

The G90 will be faster than the f90... even with the weight . Bmw has already indicated this...also the power to weight ratio is not apples to apples with an ev kicker... it adds an instant 200hp and 330 ft lbs of torque..right now all the time ...


It could make 650hp from 3000 rpm all the way and by 4500 make 717 and hold it. During each gear change

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

Honest question for everyone. Is there a size and weight for a vehicle that pushes it outside of being a Motorsport type of vehicle? If BMW did a 7,000 lb Minivan M is it still Motorsport at that point?

anybody that purchased an M car post say 2020-2021... I would say no lol... the M minivan would still sell... the old school guys like me, the G80 is about at the very upper limit of weight

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by Defragster

510cm long, 500kg heavier, and has the same trunk space and leg space as M3/M4, but way less usefull due to ridiculous shape of trunk.

50k € more then m3/m4, but same 0-100 (or even worse, same on paper ). Will drive way worse in turns, nightmare to park.


Overall, m3 /m4 over this any given day. I see zero reason to get this and i would wait for panamera gts in july with v8 and no hybrid bs if i was looking to spend that much for a saloon.

Now imagine EU market where the hybrid part lowers the price to make it on par with a well spec M2, what would you think ? It's the case where I live. It's 50K cheaper than my G80 and about the same as a G87.