[SexyRoger]

Originally Posted by ledphut

So I just drove a loaded 2024 Macan S that made the current X3 look & feel like a turd. (No disrespect to X3 owners)

Although way more money, newest Cayenne Turbo or GTS has X5/X7 beat on everything except iDrive.

Forget subjectives, I’m talking driving dynamics, quality of materials, fit/finish.. etc.

Not trying to ruffle feathers, but those with discerning taste that can mentally step away from owners bias and nostalgia will always find the Porsche product to be superior.

That’s why Porshe owners are dickheads! They know they are behind the wheel of the finest cars on the road.

Please chime in dickhead P-Car guys & gals!

I agree. I traded the M2 for a Macan and felt that Macan was so much better in every way. Especially handling, felt M2 to be a turdomatic. Porsche there is no substitute, sports cars, that is a weapon. BMW makes such a good looking M5, it has features of the V10 M5 in the front and a retro feel. So impressed w BMW it's now back to the front again. So happy.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Yeah, but Mercedes are better cars and cost more. They don't really compare directly. I owned an S63 AMG and BMW has nothing remotely comparable, nor does Audi.

I have a 2023 S8 currently, and it's about 10 years behind the 2023 Merc S580 in terms of features and tech. The S63 is just a whole different level above that.

I dont believe S63 Coupe is a better car than M8 Coupe…
And I dont think in any performance spec S63 coupe can beat M8 coupe ☺️
Even the look is not t winner

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Yeah, but Mercedes are better cars and cost more. They don't really compare directly. I owned an S63 AMG and BMW has nothing remotely comparable, nor does Audi.

I have a 2023 S8 currently, and it's about 10 years behind the 2023 Merc S580 in terms of features and tech. The S63 is just a whole different level above that.

i mean, that’s the point of the S63. M5 definitely isn’t supposed to compete with it

[zuschnell]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

No signs of massaging seats, rear comfort access or soft close doors yet right?

Come on man, that would add way too much weight. That would be ridiculous

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

I’ve driven the ‘24 Macan S and own 2 X3 30i’s and a G30 540i. The Macan definitely drives better than the X3, the materials are somewhat better until you compare to the X3M. I wanted to really like the Macan but at $90k decently equipped, it’s a 5-10% better driving vehicle at a 20% premium. Most Porsche’s are like that. Not arguing they are better driving dynamics, but the premium to get that isn’t worth it for many.

X3M is great value for money but its shit ride quality and overall build quality also make it not worth the money. the M40i/M50i is way better in terms of handling at least.

Originally Posted by ellipsis212

Not “on the road” per se.

Porsche owners are mostly sitting in the car inside of their climate controlled, dust free garages making vroom vroom sounds so as not to put any miles on it and diminish the precious’s value.

my 992 gt3 is about to crest 19k miles in 2 years of ownership with a few trackdays in between. if theres one thing we can all agree on is that people who sit on cars as an investment suck which is also why we have to deal with stupid ADMs.

[JM322]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

You obviously know I was exaggerating. However Panamera Tutbo with comparable performance starts at 191K. How is it in same or similar class ?

Wait 4 years and you can get it for 85….

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by JM322

Wait 4 years and you can get it for 85….

I know. I honestly was talking about new for new. Just some people have tendencies to compare cars from different class price points but I see your point. Used for used we can still compare to many others.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

9k price increase. Not too bad. Was expecting a higher increase

This is how i know inflation is strong, when 9k isnt too bad

[carseatsm5]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

This is how i know inflation is strong, when 9k isnt too bad

Been thinking the same thing! Fewer features, worse interior, $9K increase and lots of comments how that’s not bad.

[Namelss]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

No signs of massaging seats, rear comfort access or soft close doors yet right?

Cadillac did the same thing from CTS to CT5. Removed rear comfort access, rear sunshades, deleted leather in some places that used to be covered as well as some other creature comforts that escape me at the moment. It’s just the way of the industry I guess.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by zuschnell

Come on man, that would add way too much weight. That would be ridiculous

What’s another 100lbs in the BMW M world anymore, they killed/mutated the M5 DNA anyway

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by carseatsm5

Been thinking the same thing! Fewer features, worse interior, $9K increase and lots of comments how that’s not bad.

Yep, we are screwed in terms of inflation. 9k is almost a 8% rise in the base MSRP

Although, I was expecting a much bigger hike, given how much everything else rose.

[Car-Addicted]

This puts things in prospective and not in a good way.
The M5 weighs more than many electric performance sedans. Talk about losing the plot.
BMW just debuted the new 2025 M5: A twin-turbocharged, V-8, all-wheel-drive hybrid sports sedan with 717 horsepower. It also weighs 5,390 pounds, which makes it heavier than some electric sedans, SUVs, and even a pickup truck.
That list includes:
2022 Chevrolet Tahoe 2WD (5,356 lbs)
2024 Ford F-150 Supercrew 4WD (4,941 lbs)
2024 Lucid Air Sapphire (5,336 lbs)
2023 Mercedes Maybach S-Class (5,346 lbs)
2024 Range Rover Sport (5,090 lbs)
It's an absolute monster in terms of curb weight, and compared to the previous generation, it's slightly slower on paper. BMW claims its sprint to 60 miles per hour takes 3.5 seconds, compared to the old car's 3.2-second sprint. Its power-to-weight ratio is also worse than the old car—it's over 1,000 pounds heavier than the outgoing M5.



The outgoing Dodge Charger Hellcat weighed 4,570 pounds, a full 820 pounds less. The latest CT5-V Blackwing—the M5's direct American competitor—is lighter by a jaw-dropping 1,267 pounds. It's not even like the M5 is a much bigger car, either. The CT5's wheelbase is within two inches of the 5 Series.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...9e763293&ei=27

Soon the last good M cars will be found on Bring a Trailer

[Ibiza]

Too bad the M5 can’t be speced without the battery and resultant $9,000 off set credit.

[CarlosM4]

Prices are out for the new M5 in Brazil (pre-order) and holy cow, its almost the same price as the Panamera Turbo Hybrid here (around 50k R$ cheaper which is 10k USD).

Insane price. Maybe not in the USA, but I believe in many parts of the world, the M5 will be in direct confrontation with the Panamera Turbo Hybrid.

[ManSter420]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

No signs of massaging seats, rear comfort access or soft close doors yet right?

massage seats are useless in BMWs idk about other makers.
Also vented seat. why is it even there lmao