[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

That’s a whole lotta car there. She’s a thic girl as they say lol. As in it’s to freaking tall. Just like the sedan. The ridiculous unneeded batteries have made the car to high and out of proportion and needlessly heavy. This thing is heavier than the sedan right? What’s the extra weight on this thing 200 lbs I would guess? lol what a joke. Honestly if Audi don’t fuck yup the rs7 sedan/wagon the way bmw has here they will eat bmw ‘s lunch.

The next gen RS7 is said to be a PHEV, too…. So get used to the weight.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by D52M550

No, sorry but they did make F90’s with sunroofs. 100%

Maybe so but I’ve not seen one. I saw a statistic/production counts here on these forums that less than 20% of M5’s have sunroof. So probably BMW decided the take rate wasn’t high enough to make it standard. I’ll bet it was a cost saving move more than weight saving.

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by BimmerBahn

The next gen RS7 is said to be a PHEV, too…. So get used to the weight.

I don't have to get used to it. I just won't buy that either. It's pretty easy for me. If I don't like what they are offering no one says I have to buy it.

[bruza]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

Maybe so but I’ve not seen one. I saw a statistic/production counts here on these forums that less than 20% of M5’s have sunroof. So probably BMW decided the take rate wasn’t high enough to make it standard. I’ll bet it was a cost saving move more than weight saving.

My F90 has a sunroof, use it regularly too.

[carseatsm5]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

The F90 did not have a sunroof. Slick top in body color or CF only.

They could be optioned with a sunroof.

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

I don't have to get used to it. I just won't buy that either. It's pretty easy for me. If I don't like what they are offering no one says I have to buy it.

Cool story… you, do you. 👍🏻👍🏻

[B-1Pilot]

I don't see Silverstone.... may be a challenge for my SA, but I'm not completing my order till I can get SS or PMS and full leather.

[ST3]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

G90/99 is going to burn through pads faster than an RS6.

Brakes will be fine…tires, not so much. Every time you go in to a corner “hot” your going to feel that extra weight transferring to the rubber.

There are only two benefits I can see in this new M5 design - longer lasting brakes under normal driving, and a silent ride without needing to fire up the engine to go to the grocery store. Everything seems like a negative. Time will tell…

[BimmerBoy123]

Originally Posted by B-1Pilot

I don't see Silverstone.... may be a challenge for my SA, but I'm not completing my order till I can get SS or PMS and full leather.

I was told Silverstone was not available. Full leather I believe will start in March of 2025 along with Individual exterior and interior.

[John Tanglewood]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

Regen braking will keep pads and rotors good for a long time. Unless you are tracking the M5 Touring, ceramics will be a waste of money.

Wrong. I don't like cleaning my wheels, and these wheels are a pain to clean. So ceramics it is.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by John Tanglewood

Wrong. I don't like cleaning my wheels, and these wheels are a pain to clean. So ceramics it is.

Very little friction braking in PHEVs (and BEVs) result in very little brake dust on your wheels. If you want ceramic brakes, go for it, but if only buying to reduce brake dust, they really aren't needed.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

Very little friction braking in PHEVs (and BEVs) result in very little brake dust on your wheels. If you want ceramic brakes, go for it, but if only buying to reduce brake dust, they really aren't needed.

I have ceramics on my RS6 and love them for 3 reasons (and none of the reasons really have to do with braking performance).

1) zero brake dust
2) last the life of the vehicle (pads and rotors last about 15k miles on the RS6 and are about $5k)
3) they are 75 pounds lighter than the steel brakes. 75 pounds of rotating, unstrung mass is HUGE!

It sounds like items 1 and 2 won’t really matter on the M5 since the regen will handle a lot of braking. My wife has a Lexus PHEV, while I cannot comment on brake life yet, there seems to be very little brake dust. Given this, one of the only advantages of ceramics would be weight savings. The ceramics are 50 pounds lighter than the steels.

As a reminder, you may think “I’m going to track the car so I will get ceramics”. Unless you have DEEP pockets get steels. At tracks temps/usage ceramic brakes last no longer than steels, they are just better at resisting brake fade. I have a neighbor with an AMG sedan with ceramics. He managed to go through a set with just 2,500 miles on the car by tracking it. Most people with Porsche GT’s who track them put on steel rotors and pads.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by B-1Pilot

I don't see Silverstone.... may be a challenge for my SA, but I'm not completing my order till I can get SS or PMS and full leather.

I’ve been gone from BMW ‘s for a while. I assume “SS” is Silverstone but what is PMS?

And I 100% agree with you. My X5M had full leather. I loved it, but not enough to wait extra if I have to go individual to get it.

[RAUDERRIPPER]

Originally Posted by ledphut

I’ll definitely own one, but likely will wait until the bugs are ironed out and hopefully the Comp or CS version drops.

There will not be a competition version.

Can’t speak to a CS variant but unlikely.

[[/:\] GP9000]

Originally Posted by Crazy1323

I’ve been gone from BMW ‘s for a while. I assume “SS” is Silverstone but what is PMS?

And I 100% agree with you. My X5M had full leather. I loved it, but not enough to wait extra if I have to go individual to get it.

Pure Metal Silver. Considered as one of the most complex (and expensive) BMW Individual colors.
Here‘s an old video about its creation.

BMW Individual - Pure Metal Silver

[DHDCF]

I think pms and aurora diamond are 10k each. Eeks.

[stormchaser]

I can afford it, but why only the M Sport version? It's a car that you can't appreciate in the States. The Audi looks better, in my opinion, but the new tech in BMW is top-notch. Please bring us an average wagon or, better yet, a smaller package (3 series. Your coupes make no sense either). I could consider it if the five had not gotten so heavy or grown. I drove the M version of the sedan and liked the concept, but it's too much of a car for most of us. Better off buying an A4 ALLROAD, or A6 Alllroad.

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by DHDCF

I think pms and aurora diamond are 10k each. Eeks.

That’s not bad. The exclusive Ara Blue Crystal on my R8 was $7900. Seems like pure silver is a rather difficult color to do.

[Race_Doc11]

The back looks terrible because of the dented areas where the red reflectors are.

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

... Unless you are tracking the M5 Touring, ceramics will be a waste of money...

This is a common misconception.

If you TRULY are tracking your car (like I do my M4), then CCB's are crazy expensive! Unless you have really deep pockets - like an F1 team...

After a couple of seasons I had to remove them. At 12K for a set of rotors, 1500 for pads, and 6K for the tool required to accurately measure the remaining carbon, they are just way too expensive for a track car.

I actually removed mine and went to a RadiCal Racing setup from Essex. 95% of the stopping for 10% of the price...

However, I do put CCB's on all my street cars (if available) as they keep the wheels much cleaner (and effectively last forever on the street - unlike the track).

$0.02