[nordmanmg]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

any chance you can shine a flashlight in that lower grill opening and see what's in there, if it's not aluminum tweeters it's gotta be the source of engine noise cause the rest of the b&w speakers are accounted for elsewhere.

I can’t see anything through the fabric, but when music is on, it comes from top speaker and very bottom one. I don’t think there is a speaker behind the fabric.
But I might be wrong

[nordmanmg]

Originally Posted by hdahman

G90 vs f90 , What about leg room on back seat. As well as suspension?

Way more room in the back seat of a G90 over F90
G90 drives noticeably smoother in normal driving mode.
But this could be because my F90 seats on MPHAS

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by nordmanmg

Way more room in the back seat of a G90 over F90
G90 drives noticeably smoother in normal driving mode.
But this could be because my F90 seats on MPHAS

I agree 100%
This car drive way smoother on a relaxed driving modes and you are in triple digits very easily something that i did not feel in my previous m8s on relaxed settings

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by nordmanmg

I can’t see anything through the fabric, but when music is on, it comes from top speaker and very bottom one. I don’t think there is a speaker behind the fabric.
But I might be wrong

weird, wtf is BMW up to

[Evinrude1975]

Originally Posted by nordmanmg

I want to mention, that BMW also made The Digital Key functionality way better then in F90,
You don’t need to open up your “wallet” in your cellphone, and place your phone next to the handle to unlock the car, and then place it in the tray to activate the ignition.
In G90, once you set up Digital Key, you don’t even have to pull out your phone anymore, car recognizes the key when you walk up to the car and unlocks it for you, you get in and push the start/stop button and you good to go

Thanks! eventually we can register an improvement

[Logical]

So they add electric nonsense. Then take away true M5 features such as massage seats and soft close doors.

Great write up….I’ll keep my stage2 F90.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Logical

So they add electric nonsense. Then take away true M5 features such as massage seats and soft close doors.

Great write up….I’ll keep my stage2 F90.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

You laugh, but those features have been mainstays of the car for what 15-20 years? Not much funny about the level of cost cutting on the features and interior quality of the G90 IMO.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by WWM3

You laugh, but those features have been mainstays of the car for what 15-20 years? Not much funny about the level of cost cutting on the features and interior quality of the G90 IMO.

sry just a hilarious statement about a M division product, "if it doesn't massage me and help me out all the times when I fail to close my own doors I won't be buying it".

Cost cutting is industry wide right now, I fail to see the point in obsessing over it. It is what it is, you either spend 200-300k on a Porsche that probably still has cost cutting impacts to it or accept what inflation and stupid emissions regs have done to cars.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

sry just a hilarious statement about a M division product, "if it doesn't massage me and help me out all the times when I fail to close my own doors I won't be buying it".

Cost cutting is industry wide right now, I fail to see the point in obsessing over it. It is what it is, you either spend 200-300k on a Porsche that probably still has cost cutting impacts to it or accept what inflation and stupid emissions regs have done to cars.

I don't agree at all. As always, vote with your wallet.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

sry just a hilarious statement about a M division product, "if it doesn't massage me and help me out all the times when I fail to close my own doors I won't be buying it".

Cost cutting is industry wide right now, I fail to see the point in obsessing over it. It is what it is, you either spend 200-300k on a Porsche that probably still has cost cutting impacts to it or accept what inflation and stupid emissions regs have done to cars.

I’ve owned M5s since my first E39 6 spd…owned 4 of them…every generation. 3 of the F85/86 series and a couple M3’s….and have spent countless hours and thousands modifying them. Breaking news….The whole point of the brand is to make us feel “special”. One of the most amazing memories I had was my E60 V10 was when I felt something crawling on me while doing 80 miles an hour in a corner and realized the seats were adjusting to my seating position. It had active seats…awesome feature. Makes you feel like you’re driving something truly different.

Every car is fast now. Tesla makes a bunch lol. Any shop can give you big Dino numbers if you throw enough money at them. If it’s just another car with basic shit I’ll pass and perhaps this brand is not what it once was….

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by WWM3

I don't agree at all. As always, vote with your wallet.

so what else am I supposed to buy if I'm looking for a 4-door sedan that's well made fast af and has current tech....? Best I could come up with was the panamera GTS for 50-60k more, the rest are either overpriced for the quality (mercedes) or dated (audi) or a GM product (caddy ct5).

[Logical]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

sry just a hilarious statement about a M division product, "if it doesn't massage me and help me out all the times when I fail to close my own doors I won't be buying it".

Cost cutting is industry wide right now, I fail to see the point in obsessing over it. It is what it is, you either spend 200-300k on a Porsche that probably still has cost cutting impacts to it or accept what inflation and stupid emissions regs have done to cars.

I’ve been owning these cars looong before they made the “packages”. Back when it was a gentlemen’s ultimate sleeper car and owners didn’t need sissy badges to tell people there car could compete. Back when there was ONE version…the M5. And they all had the same options. Unfortunately I fear it’s not cost cutting. The F95/96 has massage seats and soft close. I was given a basic X3 as a loaner (when my F90 went in for recall), and it had many of the M features, and it was a basic X3. It kind of pissed me off as an M enthusiast for 30 yrs.

That new M5 is FAT PIG just like the new F96…perhaps they removed the features because they added weight to the 2.5 TON saloon .

2.5 tons is embarrassing frankly….its a 1000 lbs heavier than the F90.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

so what else am I supposed to buy if I'm looking for a 4-door sedan that's well made fast af and has current tech....? Best I could come up with was the panamera GTS for 50-60k more, the rest are either overpriced for the quality (mercedes) or dated (audi) or a GM product (caddy ct5).

Perhaps try the F90 M5 CS they stripped that of all the features that you don’t want and it will hold value a lot more than any new M5.

[nordmanmg]

Originally Posted by Logical

So they add electric nonsense. Then take away true M5 features such as massage seats and soft close doors.

Great write up….I’ll keep my stage2 F90.

They will add all that as an optional features later on.
We might even see a Burmeister-3D as an optional sound system. Who knows

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Logical

I’ve been owning these cars looong before they made the “packages”. Back when it was a gentlemen’s ultimate sleeper car and owners didn’t need sissy badges to tell people there car could compete. Back when there was ONE version…the M5. And they all had the same options. Unfortunately I fear it’s not cost cutting. The F95/96 has massage seats and soft close. I was given a basic X3 as a loaner (when my F90 went in for recall), and it had many of the M features, and it was a basic X3. It kind of pissed me off as an M enthusiast for 30 yrs.

That new M5 is FAT PIG just like the new F96…perhaps they removed the features because they added weight to the 2.5 TON saloon .

2.5 tons is embarrassing frankly….its a 1000 lbs heavier than the F90.

F95/6 are still older gen, they were developed so many years ago compared to the G90. They'll be getting the same treatment next go around, same as the next gen RS6/7 and so on. At least the S68 is still here in the G90 and it's not a B48 or pure EV. It's emissions regs to blame, not the manufacturers. The hybrid panamera turbo S is the same weight but I never heard even a quarter of the whining about that as with the G90.


This hybrid powertrain is new, cost per unit/COGS is still high on it for BMW especially compared to the standard S68/M-xdrive combo in the F95/6/F90 etc that they've been pumping out for a long time now.


They could've jacked the price of the G90 up closer to the M8 and given us all the stuff but then you'd be complaining about the price and 'voting with your wallet' for that reason instead. They undoubtedly ran the numbers and concluded they'd lose less buyers by cutting a couple things out like soft close doors and massaging seats then by raising the price.

Originally Posted by Logical

Perhaps try the F90 M5 CS they stripped that of all the features that you don’t want and it will hold value a lot more than any new M5.

F gen is dated + would have to buy a used performance car which I don't do. Plus I'm not too interested in a CS model, this G90 is where it's at. Comfortable, fast af, but still cool with hitting .9-1G lateral around a banked entry/exit ramp.

[Alan l.]

According to F90 owners its the greatest M5 of all time..... just like how the previous F10, E60, E39 owners all said when the new model came out lol

[imperfectluck]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

F gen is dated + would have to buy a used performance car which I don't do. Plus I'm not too interested in a CS model, this G90 is where it's at. Comfortable, fast af, but still cool with hitting .9-1G lateral around a banked entry/exit ramp.

Imo dated or used isn't always a big factor as the G8x is selling well used and we know of the current state of Porsche GT cars on the used market.

The most important part imo was the one that was brought up about the character of the car. I've seen those that have gone from a G8x to an F8x (or E92 M3). Different strokes for different folks is the beauty we have available to us still.

[nordmanmg]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

Imo dated or used isn't always a big factor as the G8x is selling well used and we know of the current state of Porsche GT cars on the used market.

The most important part imo was the one that was brought up about the character of the car. I've seen those that have gone from a G8x to an F8x (or E92 M3). Different strokes for different folks is the beauty we have available to us still.

I don’t know, I have older cars and I don’t mind driving them, but after G80 and F90, E39 or E60 feel’s obsolete kinda. They’re great cars nonetheless. But I get more fun out of G80 then E39 M5, not that I don’t like e39, because I love it. It’s awesome to rip some twisty roads in it, but in the meantime, g80 gives you even more in same drive.
But you’re right, different people like different things

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

sry just a hilarious statement about a M division product, "if it doesn't massage me and help me out all the times when I fail to close my own doors I won't be buying it".

Cost cutting is industry wide right now, I fail to see the point in obsessing over it. It is what it is, you either spend 200-300k on a Porsche that probably still has cost cutting impacts to it or accept what inflation and stupid emissions regs have done to cars.

You mean seat massaging and soft close door is a must for M division?

[nordmanmg]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

You mean seat massaging and soft close door is a must for M division?

They had soft close as an option for E60 M5 and then for F10 and F90 as well, that’s why people expect that option to be available on G90 as well

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by nordmanmg

They had soft close as an option for E60 M5 and then for F10 and F90 as well, that’s why people expect that option to be available on G90 as well

Correct but this is not what we expect as a MUST for M division.
I had soft close on 650, M6 and M8 but not on M3 and M4 and didn’t care much.
I only expect Benz S class, Panamera or Rolls-Royce to have this option as a MUST … LOL