[brianeck]

"Doesn't drive as heavy as it looks" is a hilarious sales pitch tagline for a car. I feel like it's the same excuse/mantra I had back in college when debriefing a night out where I picked up a partner that I might not have otherwise interacted with outside of the heavy use of alcohol.

It's an excuse, not a feature.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by brianeck

"Doesn't drive as heavy as it looks" is a hilarious sales pitch tagline for a car. I feel like it's the same excuse/mantra I had back in college when debriefing a night out where I picked up a partner that I might not have otherwise interacted with outside of the heavy use of alcohol.

It's an excuse, not a feature.

Did you drive one?

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by E92Bean

I never really understood the hate for the m5. I thought it’s really supposed to be the big, high hp sport luxury sedan vs the m3. Not sure what people expected.

Exactanundo. If you want a smaller, nimbler, 4 Door Sedan, the M3 is clearly the better choice.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

Do you think that weight is the only reason why new M5 is not loved on the forums ? I think that it’s not the only reason. Even though we could afford one my wife and I (yes she likes cool cars and driving them) we will pass on this one. Even if something called M5 competition or red label or whatever they will call it will arrive. I’ve seen one in person. One more was there at the dealership and she was like: it’s really cheap inside. I don’t bash anyone for liking it. Some have plenty of disposable income and even if they realize that they don’t like it they’ll switch after 2-3 months. We are not there so our purchase decision have to be much more thoughtful and not impulse buys. Above tire discussion in posts above is ridiculous as well. Thinking that tires will suddenly make night and day difference is naive. I know that tires made huge factor few weeks ago with Carrera GT Nurburgring lap time. But it had been 20 years between tires development.

Yes tires make a huge difference even in everyday driving
I had winter pirellis sottezero and michellins summer ps4s and pzero summers and all season michellin on my previous M8s and I can tell you that they drastically change the way the car drives and feels
Even tire inflation (how many psi) can change the car how it drives and handles
It is the only connection between the car and the road and it is not naive my friend
If tires are not important why formula 1... have pit stops to change tires

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Totally agree
It is just a new driving experience
I also drove mine 800 miles so far and can say the same
Again I would have paid for all the whistle and bells if they gave me the options and I think most of m5 owners would have done so
The question is why they did not offer those extras as options?!

I’m happy CCBs are not standard as I wouldn’t want to have been forced to pay an extra €10,500 for them, had it been baked into a higher MSRP.

As for other options:

I reckon every part needs to go through rigorous testing, type certification etc.

They decided what they needed to launch when they did and ensured suppliers could deliver and focussed on that.

Other stuff will come along and be added to the options list as time passes.

Personally, I’m happy massage seats and soft close are not on the car as standard as I either have or have had them on other cars and don’t value them.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Yes tires make a huge difference even in everyday driving
I have winter pirellis sottezero and michellins summer ps4s and pzero summers and all season michellin on my previous M8s and I can tell you that they drastically change the way the car drives and feels
Even tire inflation (how many psi) can change the car how it drives and handles
It is the only connection between the car and the road and it is naive my friend
If tires are not important why formula 1... have pit stops to change tires

I dont think his point was winter tire vs summer tire.
I dont think his point was today’s tires vs 20 years ago tires either.
And I dont think his point was regular tire ( mp4s) vs track oriented ( cup2/r) or furmula 1 tires either.
His point was 2024 hankook summer tire vs 2024 mp4s tire
And if you think there is night and day difference then BMW cheated customers by putting trash tired on new $130k M5

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Yes tires make a huge difference even in everyday driving
I had winter pirellis sottezero and michellins summer ps4s and pzero summers and all season michellin on my previous M8s and I can tell you that they drastically change the way the car drives and feels
Even tire inflation (how many psi) can change the car how it drives and handles
It is the only connection between the car and the road and it is not naive my friend
If tires are not important why formula 1... have pit stops to change tires

This was not what I meant. Formula one argument when talking about road car is… I’ll stop here. What I meant is that hankook even though it’s not the best tire out there, is not Chinese crappy tire like product as some seem to present it as. Michelins will not make that car drive drastically different and hide any of its major flaws. Current M5 is a product of compromises and the best BMW could probably do today. I want new model to be better than it’s predecessor better in every possible measure. Is it ?

[Greer]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

I expect the G90 to improve in its iterations like the F90 improved with the LCI comp and the CS

BMW M if you are reading this please make this happen!

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

This was not what I meant. Formula one argument when talking about road car is… I’ll stop here. What I meant is that hankook even though it’s not the best tire out there, is not Chinese crappy tire like product as some seem to present it as. Michelins will not make that car drive drastically different and hide any of its major flaws. Current M5 is a product of compromises and the best BMW could probably do today. I want new model to be better than it’s predecessor better in every possible measure. Is it ?

There is no major flaws in everyday driving
I push my cars hard and this car does not drive like an M lite car with body roll....
The car handles like an M car
Yes the f90 and G90 m3 are more nimble but this is not a problem if you do not track the car
How many people track their f90 m5 to feel the difference 1%?!
It is more practical with EV option , more space in the back , more comfortable and as fast or little faster then the previous one and the interior layout is more modern and has more presence and feels different then the rest of the lineup
Yes it has cheap interior bits and lost few options but overall it is a better car for daily
Again if people looking for sports car handling and drive go buy a 911 or maybe an M3 (although M3 is not a sports car maybe cs is the closest that it can get)
To my surprise I thought I will miss my M8s more but turned out not the case
The only thing I miss is soft closing doors and full leather option but it is not a big deal for me

[EUPremier]

Hmmm, dunno about aspects of his review.

I like Chris Harris, Tiff Needell et al, look forward to their reviews and await Harris’ track review of G90.

However, they’re quite academic at the end of the day:

These guys earn money by driving all manner of vehicles. The get eyeballs by being entertaining. They’re in and out of vehicles all month and, as this review attests, they’re not evaluating the vehicle to the same standard we buyers are.

Diminuation of the “brilliant” electro-ICE interface due to a marginally better one existing in a car costing $125,000 more is just ridiculous.

Cribbing about the size of the key without mentioning that all you really need is your Smartwatch to ‘Arrive & Drive’ is tantamount to deception if it weren’t for the fact that I reckon Harris is simply ignorant of the feature.

Continuing with complaints about Comfort Access being only available on the front doors? Failing to mention that proximity access to 4-doors & boot is standard, its behaviour fully-customisable in iDrive and works with each and all of standard keys, Smartphone & Smartwatch -even if their batteries are dead! Like come on man, do some research.

Failing to mention the handsfree boot/trunk control using one’s foot being standard fitment indicates further sensationalism of a faux omission on BMW’s part.

Further evidence of the disconnect between journos and the buying public is the fiscal piece amounting to an ‘also ran’ in the assessment of the vehicle. The cost of ownership is a crucial element. It’s a huge piece in both the UK & EU and he finally gives it some houseroom but admits to being ‘too lazy’ to figure out how important the PHEV piece is to UK G90 ownership!?!?

I will credit him for for finally saying the obvious: Cars are fast enough these days.
Anyone who describes the G9x as slow is an idiot. It really is as simple as that.

For the real-deal buyers of this car who want great road feel, hypercar performance, style and tech… this has all the elements of M… they will not be disappointed on their daily commute while the journos move on to the next Rimac or Buggati shoot in the South of France!

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

There is no major flows in everyday driving
I push my cars hard and this car does not drive like an M lite car with body roll....
The car handles like an M car
Yes the f90 and G90 m3 are more nimble but this is not a problem if you do not track the car
How many people track their f90 m5 to feel the difference 1%?!
It is more practical with every option , more space in the back , more comfortable and as fast or little faster then the previous one and the interior layout is more modern and has more presence and feels different then the rest of the lineup
Yes it has cheap interior bits and lost few options but overall it is a better car for daily
Again if people looking for sports car handling and drive go buy a 911 or maybe an M3 (although M3 is not a sports car maybe cs is the closest that it can get)

To me it sounds a bit like:
The new car is ok and it’ll do. I need but more from something that cost $130K. Probably one more reason why some will migrate to other brands. I am not the type of guy always complaining that previous cars were all that and the new one is crap and the mythical feel is gone and BMW lost its way or whatever. I am actually bit said that direction that BMW is going is not what it used to. It isn’t. I kind of accept it and will spend my money elsewhere. I despise new BMW cluster gauges probably more than anything. It looks cartoonish and as if it was directed to 15yo IMO. There was a car in the lineup that did those things you’ve mentioned. It’s called X5M Comp

[GhostOne_322]

Let's be clear, the F90 was a pig also. I had two of them and ditched the platform for a G80 CS. If you're over 4000lbs let's stop talking about track capabilities. Look, BMW is king of making big girls dance and that's what the G90 is. She's big, but she can dance. I'm also not getting one, the G80 CS is near perfect for my needs!

[Kaizer84]

Originally Posted by Tallest

M5 is like an M7 (luxury, big, etc, with power, but not limo?) as a conclusion being welcomed here is really not the take I could have expected. I thought people want their M5s fast and nimble, not a large car that usually needs a driver. Very interesting.

They are compensating, the car is a massive let down and those who want to buy a “new” M5 will do so regardless of the numerous short comings. Most of us know what’s up. Again Harris’ diplomatic approach and all of what wasn’t said is the story here. It’s not an M5 and we have to accept that BMW may really be done with that segment of car that they basically created and revolutionized.

[Rafichicago]

Originally Posted by GhostOne_322

Let's be clear, the F90 was a pig also. I had two of them and ditched the platform for a G80 CS. If you're over 4000lbs let's stop talking about track capabilities. Look, BMW is king of making big girls dance and that's what the G90 is. She's big, but she can dance. I'm also not getting one, the G80 CS is near perfect for my needs!

Sure.F90 It was bashed for its steering feeling too disconnected. What’s funny new one is even worse in this aspect and called better daily and more comfortable Fun times to be alive. Marketing works. It can turn negative into feature 🤣🤣🤣

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by GhostOne_322

Let's be clear, the F90 was a pig also. I had two of them and ditched the platform for a G80 CS. If you're over 4000lbs let's stop talking about track capabilities. Look, BMW is king of making big girls dance and that's what the G90 is. She's big, but she can dance. I'm also not getting one, the G80 CS is near perfect for my needs!

Agree g80 cs is the one to go for if u want a nimble car that u can track not f90 m5 or g90

[Kaizer84]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

Sure.F90 It was bashed for its steering feeling too disconnected. What’s funny new one is even worse in this aspect and called better daily and more comfortable Fun times to be alive. Marketing works. It can turn negative into feature 🤣🤣🤣

It’s called delusion 😂very prevalent these days…

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

To me it sounds a bit like:
The new car is ok and it’ll do. I need but more from something that cost $130K. Probably one more reason why some will migrate to other brands. I am not the type of guy always complaining that previous cars were all that and the new one is crap and the mythical feel is gone and BMW lost its way or whatever. I am actually bit said that direction that BMW is going is not what it used to. It isn’t. I kind of accept it and will spend my money elsewhere. I despise new BMW cluster gauges probably more than anything. It looks cartoonish and as if it was directed to 15yo IMO. There was a car in the lineup that did those things you’ve mentioned. It’s called X5M Comp

Well I drove x5 m comp many times and it is not comfortable and more stiff then g90 m5 and does not have more space in the back seat and it still handles like suv
Yes more boot space and higher clearance
There is no competitors at this price point
I also looked for competitors
Please give me options
Mercedes?! Gt 63 e perf 100 k more
Audi? Outdated rs6 that is selling with markup that is slower and outdated interior i hate audi interiors (yes it looks better in touring form ) , no hybrid and not as comfortable
Bently 100k more
Porsche 100k more
So for the price no better alternatives unfortunately
If this car was priced 170k yes a lot of better options

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

There is no major flaws in everyday driving
I push my cars hard and this car does not drive like an M lite car with body roll....
The car handles like an M car
Yes the f90 and G90 m3 are more nimble but this is not a problem if you do not track the car
How many people track their f90 m5 to feel the difference 1%?!
It is more practical with EV option , more space in the back , more comfortable and as fast or little faster then the previous one and the interior layout is more modern and has more presence and feels different then the rest of the lineup
Yes it has cheap interior bits and lost few options but overall it is a better car for daily
Again if people looking for sports car handling and drive go buy a 911 or maybe an M3 (although M3 is not a sports car maybe cs is the closest that it can get)
To my surprise I thought I will miss my M8s more but turned out not the case
The only thing I miss is soft closing doors and full leather option but it is not a big deal for me

I like the way you trash all the physics and ignore 1000 lbs difference between your previous and existing cars LOL
You are absolutely G90 lover 😂
Im not gonna say M8 is sport car again since the other guy will show up and call it SPAM ☺️
And again I dont know the definition of “ sport car” in your book.
Even M3 is not sport car.You said M8 is gt car so what is M3 ? Another gt car?

[brianeck]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Did you drive one?

I took a few big girls for a ride for sure if you're talking about my original post. I have not yet driven the car - I've been dreaming of a wagon for a long time and I will give it a fair fighting chance. I've got 2 years before I'm in the market for a car so I'm not in a rush.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Kaizer84

It’s called delusion 😂very prevalent these days…

What is delusion is people talking about a car that they never drove lol
It is like my daughter when she says i do not like the food that she never tasted before

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by GhostOne_322

Let's be clear, the F90 was a pig also. I had two of them and ditched the platform for a G80 CS. If you're over 4000lbs let's stop talking about track capabilities. Look, BMW is king of making big girls dance and that's what the G90 is. She's big, but she can dance. I'm also not getting one, the G80 CS is near perfect for my needs!

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by brianeck

I took a few big girls for a ride for sure if you're talking about my original post. I have not yet driven the car - I've been dreaming of a wagon for a long time and I will give it a fair fighting chance. I've got 2 years before I'm in the market for a car so I'm not in a rush.

i bet if people were told this car weight 4500 pounds and they drove it they will believe myself too
Yes if you track it you feel the weight but no way with normal driving you feel 5400 lbs
I had 2 m8s and for regular driving even spirited I feel no difference