[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by ASAP

does it matter? if the v8 doesnt sound good or is muted and the v6 makes the same power? we crossed all logic 1000 lbs ago

lol I dunno how you guys made hating on the G90 this much of your personality but it's very entertaining to watch, out here defending Audi going heavy PHEV+ killing their nice V8 just to stick it to your G90 nemesis. You guys are more invested in it then me and I'm gunna be writing a check for one in a couple months

P.S there's these things called aftermarket exhausts, dunno if you've heard of them but they make emissions strangled V8s sound like they're supposed to, been (to varying degrees) a necessary mod for awhile now.

[FloridaM5]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

lol I dunno how you guys made hating on the G90 this much of your personality but it's very entertaining to watch, out here defending Audi going heavy PHEV+ killing their nice V8 just to stick it to your G90 nemesis. You guys are more invested in it then me and I'm gunna be writing a check for one in a couple months

P.S there's these things called aftermarket exhausts, dunno if you've heard of them but they make emissions strangled V8s sound like they're supposed to, been (to varying degrees) a necessary mod for awhile now.

Right? It certainly is entertaining to watch. Of all the things in the world to take such a firm stance on, they chose a car and its manufacturer. Really making an impact.

[HoldenTudiks]

Originally Posted by A_

Just last year I thought the new M5 G90 would be as fast as the M5 CS F90. It turned out to be slower than the M5 Comp.

This is the first time ever that a new generation is slower than an older one.

No amount of explaining that it is a regular m5 version and not a comp or cs version will help.

There has always been a jump in performance and a big difference between m5 generations.

I know how M5 G90 owners feel. I'm sure they are angry and disappointed. They will openly deny it. I understand them. I used to feel the same way when I bought an M6 F13 Competition 600ps LCI with euro6 homologation. The car was slower than my M6 F13 Competition 575ps PRELCI with euro5 homologation. I had to install a box to improve performance. BMW didn't officially want me to upload the soft from euro5 homologation to euro6.

At the moment the new M5 G90 is NO BENCHMARK as it used to be. The car is slower and more comfortable, but that's not what the m5 was about. It was the fastest 4 door limousine on the market! If someone wanted a slower and more comfortable car they bought the 540/550i.

Instead of the M5 badge it should have had M560e. That's my 50 cents to this conversation.

If it was called the M560e with the same performance as the F90 comp(+0.2s quarter mile) while being 1000 pounds heavier, F90 owners would be fuming lmao.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by HoldenTudiks

If it was called the M560e with the same performance as the F90 comp(+0.2s quarter mile) while being 1000 pounds heavier, F90 owners would be fuming lmao.

that actually did happen w a lot of bmw's

the succeding m performance car was faster than the preceding m car

the m235i was faster than the 1M

the M340i was about as fast as the base f80

550i vs e60m5 etc

i think due to natural progression, folks expect each succeding m car to be faster than the predecessor... this is a change in approach ie phev, better daily etc but not a better performance car... sales will ultimately dictate whether thats what m5 owners prefer

[CarlosM4]

I was on the camp of the G90 haters - because to me BMW lost the plot. I still think they do, and to me the G60 in general is a disappointment (less options, less refinement in the interior, cheaper solutions for finishes, chassis underpinnings and suspension), nonetheless, I drove it, understood what it was, and decided to keep my order (but also keeping my F90) - because its still an epic car - just don't judge it as an old M5 replacement (be it E60, E39, F90, F10 - whatever) - its a new take for a modern era M5. Trust me, BMW did not want to add all that weight, but it had to.

I won't deny, if you are a keen driver or an enthusiast, this is not the M5 for you, stick to the F90 (which already makes a ton of compromises for the "enthusiast" but it does not go that far).


The M5 G90 for the proposition of a F90 replacement - did not cut it for me, it is not as exciting, brakes worse, handles worse (its not bad by the way, it still is a brilliant drive just not on par to the F90). If you look at it as something between an M550i and a M7 (its closer in character to the old and wonderful M760Li than the M5 F90) - than it makes sense.

There is the awesome torque fill from the electric engine, and top end pull (its crazy fast over 230+, much more so then the F90), there is the usability, the new tech, and obviously the comfort. Its just so darn comfortable. It reminded me of the M550i and M760Li which to me are two awesome cars as well, in my book.

People need to drive it and understand what it is before bashing it online.

[GJBFI]

11,19 sec 1/4 mile with average start.

https://youtube.com/shorts/AIX3fN6Oo...lqnid-orxt6_sx

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I was on the camp of the G90 haters - because to me BMW lost the plot. I still think they do, and to me the G60 in general is a disappointment (less options, less refinement in the interior, cheaper solutions for finishes, chassis underpinnings and suspension), nonetheless, I drove it, understood what it was, and decided to keep my order (but also keeping my F90) - because its still an epic car - just don't judge it as an old M5 replacement (be it E60, E39, F90, F10 - whatever) - its a new take for a modern era M5. Trust me, BMW did not want to add all that weight, but it had to.

I won't deny, if you are a keen driver or an enthusiast, this is not the M5 for you, stick to the F90 (which already makes a ton of compromises for the "enthusiast" but it does not go that far).


The M5 G90 for the proposition of a F90 replacement - did not cut it for me, it is not as exciting, brakes worse, handles worse (its not bad by the way, it still is a brilliant drive just not on par to the F90). If you look at it as something between an M550i and a M7 (its closer in character to the old and wonderful M760Li than the M5 F90) - than it makes sense.

There is the awesome torque fill from the electric engine, and top end pull (its crazy fast over 230+, much more so then the F90), there is the usability, the new tech, and obviously the comfort. Its just so darn comfortable. It reminded me of the M550i and M760Li which to me are two awesome cars as well, in my book.

People need to drive it and understand what it is before bashing it online.

you did test the g90 on hankook winter tires though, correct? that'll kill the handling limit and how it acts around it big time

[masd79]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I was on the camp of the G90 haters - because to me BMW lost the plot. I still think they do, and to me the G60 in general is a disappointment (less options, less refinement in the interior, cheaper solutions for finishes, chassis underpinnings and suspension), nonetheless, I drove it, understood what it was, and decided to keep my order (but also keeping my F90) - because its still an epic car - just don't judge it as an old M5 replacement (be it E60, E39, F90, F10 - whatever) - its a new take for a modern era M5. Trust me, BMW did not want to add all that weight, but it had to.

I won't deny, if you are a keen driver or an enthusiast, this is not the M5 for you, stick to the F90 (which already makes a ton of compromises for the "enthusiast" but it does not go that far).


The M5 G90 for the proposition of a F90 replacement - did not cut it for me, it is not as exciting, brakes worse, handles worse (its not bad by the way, it still is a brilliant drive just not on par to the F90). If you look at it as something between an M550i and a M7 (its closer in character to the old and wonderful M760Li than the M5 F90) - than it makes sense.

There is the awesome torque fill from the electric engine, and top end pull (its crazy fast over 230+, much more so then the F90), there is the usability, the new tech, and obviously the comfort. Its just so darn comfortable. It reminded me of the M550i and M760Li which to me are two awesome cars as well, in my book.

People need to drive it and understand what it is before bashing it online.

Seems like you are in the “I understand it now” phase. Welcome to the club, trust me you will love it even more in time

[masd79]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

you did test the g90 on hankook winter tires though, correct? that'll kill the handling limit and how it acts around it big time

On no the winter tires will kill this car. Wait till summer comes around and the sticky performance hankooks kick in.. here in ATL we have 70f now a days and boy these tires after warming up and m2 button with everything on max is just 😘… atleast we know from numbers you will get evening f90 offered and much more will the new stuff and the looks are just killer on this car. Especially the rear quarter

[A_]

Originally Posted by GJBFI

11,19 sec 1/4 mile with average start.

https://youtube.com/shorts/AIX3fN6Oo...lqnid-orxt6_sx

Way too slow for 2025

[A_]

I wonder if the new BMW M3 Touring CS will be faster than the M5 Touring G99

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by masd79

Seems like you are in the “I understand it now” phase. Welcome to the club, trust me you will love it even more in time

Yep, I wish it was lighter and had some of the creature comforts it lost from the F90, but who cares, it still is a pretty good car. I was impressed by it. It ticked all the right boxes to me.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

you did test the g90 on hankook winter tires though, correct? that'll kill the handling limit and how it acts around it big time

Yep, I was in the winter in Germany, but I got to experience the S63 AMG E Performance and the M5 F90 in Germany with winter tyres too, and the G90 struggled a little in handling and braking compared to the two. It is not a bad car in terms of handling, it still is pretty good, but it does not shrink or come alive like the F90. Its too heavy for that.

The S63 E Performance is such an odd ball, they went full bonkers and made the S63 stiff as f... to make it handle similarly to the AMG GT 63 E Performance, but it makes no sense, as its an S63.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by A_

I wonder if the new BMW M3 Touring CS will be faster than the M5 Touring G99

Highly unlikely. The M3 G80 is a lot slower 100-200

[GJBFI]

Originally Posted by A_

Way too slow for 2025

Yes yes we understood. 11.1 is fast when it's an F90 (or an outdated bird poop colored F92), but it's slow when it's a G90.

[masd79]

Originally Posted by GJBFI

Yes yes we understood. 11.1 is fast when it's an F90 (or an outdated bird poop colored F92), but it's slow when it's a G90.

lol this is what I don’t get…

[spuntyb]

So, same performance, but one gets plugged in.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by thaalrasha

I'm finding strange the G90 did not obliterate the F90 on a rolling race. Makes no sense to me, the pickup on that car is brutal.

Not sure why folks forget about the huge impact of adding weight.

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Not sure why folks forget about the huge impact of adding weight.

True but the instant EV torque helps a bunch. It's been shown in many different comparison videos the G90 usually walks away from the F90 in rolling races. If there is only one area where it has arguably improved it's that one.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

Yep, I was in the winter in Germany, but I got to experience the S63 AMG E Performance and the M5 F90 in Germany with winter tyres too, and the G90 struggled a little in handling and braking compared to the two. It is not a bad car in terms of handling, it still is pretty good, but it does not shrink or come alive like the F90. Its too heavy for that.

The S63 E Performance is such an odd ball, they went full bonkers and made the S63 stiff as f... to make it handle similarly to the AMG GT 63 E Performance, but it makes no sense, as its an S63.

I just wouldn't put much stock in handling on winters regardless of car comparisons on them, no car is engineered for them so it's just a crapshoot on which one works better or worse on 'em. As an example you mentioned there was early onset understeer on the g90 with them but on sticky summers people are reporting that it's the rear that is lively...

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by thaalrasha

True but the instant EV torque helps a bunch. It's been shown in many different comparison videos the G90 usually walks away from the F90 in rolling races. If there is only one area where it has arguably improved it's that one.

My only point is that these two cars are too close in performance for that torque to make a huge, consistent difference. On different days, with different drivers, they’ll probably be neck in neck, one being a bit faster one day, and the other being faster the next. I don’t think this car’s power can really overcome all that weight. Maybe the LCI (or Comp, CS, etc.) will see a significant performance advantage tho? I think we have to assume that either the motor or the battery numbers will only increase with every iteration, even if only slightly.

[thaalrasha]

I agree performance is very similar to previous gen currently... not sure we need much more for the road, it's decent as it is. Sure for the track it's always better to chase performance but the track tools are rather M2/3/4. As long as it handles like an M, it's fine.