[uberschnell]

There not even the same car when it comes to handling. The first clue is the 6-pot Brembos up front... the 335i doesn't even offer this.

...and neither does the new M3, so I guess that makes the 135 more handling oriented then the new M

I sincerely hope that when you do get your 135 it helps ease all those months of insecurity that the 335 has caused you.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by A418t81

I'm ready for the 135 to actually show up and the mags and get some numbers and impressions and really see what they think. The hype around this car is annoying. I do think it is going to be a very, very cool car and possibly a better "drivers" car than the 335, but I don't think it will be nearly to the extent of the fan boys.

And yes, 6 piston calipers = best car EVER, nevermind the fact that no M car has such a design and the US 135 ALMOST didn't come with them either.

Judging by the way some members ridicule BMW for not putting 6-pot brakes on the ///M3 (...while simultaneously name dropping other manufacturers that do) would make one assume such a thing.

Originally Posted by Zeroday

As am I, but I'm already starting to see the 'i'll be gettiing the e92 m3 so all this will be beneath me' posts to prove impartiality in these discussions and my opinion is if you don't have the car in your driveway, you don't have one so why mention it..

Well, many people are, in fact, impartial for that very reason. Having the car in the driveway is irrelevant. Hell, a large portion of the discussions on this forum are about cars the people don't own, want to own, or will never own.

[Zeroday]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Well, many people are, in fact, impartial for that very reason. Having the car in the driveway is irrelevant. Hell, a large portion of the discussions on this forum are about cars the people don't own, want to own, or will never own.

Well, having the car in the driveway means 100% that you aren't full of shit about getting an m3..I'm not saying you are, but many many people here seem to be getting one when it comes out or when their lease is over, blah blah, but the reality is most of that is BS and people use these lies to feign impartiality in these discussions and say that money is a non issue with them..yada yada...

Anyway, I don't think I'm biased just like the rest of you people don't think you are but at the end of the day we probably all are in some way shape or form. Facts though cut through the BS, which is why i brought up weight when people started saying this is a reincarnated 2002.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Zeroday

Well, having the car in the driveway means 100% that you aren't full of shit about getting an m3..I'm not saying you are, but many many people here seem to be getting one when it comes out or when their lease is over, blah blah, but the reality is most of that is BS and people use these lies to feign impartiality in these discussions and say that money is a non issue with them..yada yada...

Anyway, I don't think I'm biased just like the rest of you people don't think you are but at the end of the day we probably all are in some way shape or form. Facts though cut through the BS, which is why i brought up weight when people started saying this is a reincarnated 2002.

I will agree that what you stated in your first paragraph is a definite, although immeasurable, possibility. Some people are living pipe dreams, while others will definitely purchase the car.

As far as bias is concerned, I can reassure you that I'm not biased towards either car (..referring to the 135i and 335i respectively). I like them both for different (...and similar) reasons.

[Driv3r]

ok, BMW is considering this car as their 2002...but just like the 2002 that was the base model they later came out with the tii which was the "performance package" which BMW is doing in the future as well...this car may be the porker but the tii is on its way and is confirmed. there will be essentially two models. the agile one and the club racing one no need to get worried 335 owners, I would still rather have a 335 over a 135 but because of the price I cannot....

335 owners, be ready to have a car that IS faster whether you like it or not, its normal, 5 series owners dont complain half as much at you 335 owners because there is an exchange of performance for luxury the higher in the model range you go...335 more luxury than 135...335 is still the nicer median for daily driving IMO

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

What are you naysayers going to say when/if the 135i does prove to be a better driver than the 335i????

I will say wonderful. However, making statements like the ones made in this thread are ridiculous. ALL the statements I have made are FULLY backed up by official press releases, specifications, and common sense. Those saying otherwise are basing there statements off rumors, that's all.

Not one single shred of evidence to support their statements. While in the meantime I have provided plenty.

This is not an argument, I'm not sure what you would call it. I will leave the word choice to another poster.

[Robert]

New 135i review sniplet by auto spy

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1983

[superman]

My comments have nothing to do with the car i own, they have to do with published BMW figures on this car's weight. It is 40kg less than a 335i. Period. All this talk of the 135i being the new 2002 is just pipe dreams. It's a porker.

Dude by looking at the stats on the Us website and seeing that it is obviously a typo, the car is 200 pounds less then the 335i. Yeah even at 3300 pounds it is not the lightest thing in the world, but hey 200 pounds is 200 pounds. If that 135i is a porker, is the 335i obese?LOL.

Chris

[Zeroday]

Originally Posted by superman

Dude by looking at the stats on the Us website and seeing that it is obviously a typo, the car is 200 pounds less then the 335i. Yeah even at 3300 pounds it is not the lightest thing in the world, but hey 200 pounds is 200 pounds. If that 135i is a porker, is the 335i obese?LOL.

Chris

I never said the 335i isn't a porker. It is. The 135i is not 200lbs less. It's 88 lbs less. Stop making things up.

Of course, it would be an awful lot quicker if it wasn’t so heavy – it may look small but all the additional chassis reinforcements needed to handle the power means the 135i weighs 1560kg – just 40kg lighter than the full-blown 335i coupe. Strange, but true.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/first_d...id=1161&page=3

[Zeroday]

2 screen shots taken right from BMW.com: 335i=1600kg 135i=1560kg

Difference of 40kg, or 88lbs. You're going to sit here and say BMW is wrong? Give me a break.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Zeroday

2 screen shots taken right from BMW.com: 335i=1600kg 135i=1560kg

Difference of 40kg, or 88lbs. You're going to sit here and say BMW is wrong? Give me a break.

I wouldnt bother trying to explain. We've been trying for a couple weeks now. Let them believe its 200-300lbs less until they pull up next to a 335 and wonder why they arent walking 335's.

[sflgator]

I also find it funny how some early reviews say that they "feel" like the 135i is a little faster than the 335i. Duh...make the even car smaller (although similar weight) and you'll think you're going 200mph!!!! It's like going 0-60mph in a car vs. going 0-60mph in a go-cart...although they may reach 60mph at the same time, the go-cart feels much faster.

[superman]

Okay answer this, if the 1 is only 88 pounds lighter, how does it accomplish 0-60 .2 seconds faster, according to the UK website, or 0-62? How does it do this probably with a more constricted exhaust because it is single and not dual. 200 pound difference would make more sense for that differential in 60 time.

Chris

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by superman

Okay answer this, if the 1 is only 88 pounds lighter, how does it accomplish 0-60 .2 seconds faster, according to the UK website, or 0-62? How does it do this probably with a more constricted exhaust because it is single and not dual. 200 pound difference would make more sense for that differential in 60 time.

Chris

Very simple...the "official" BMW 335i 6AT specs are for 0-60mph in 5.3 sec., but we all know that it really can go 0-60mph in 4.8 sec. Maybe BMW just lowered it's "official" specs by 0.2 sec. to 5.1 sec. for the 135i 6AT (even though it will also run 0-60mph in 4.8sec.)? Not saying that's absolutely the answer, but it's very possible, don't you think.

[Zeroday]

It's baffling to me how you can post pictures of the manufacturer's specifications and people will still argue the point.

I posted BMW specs direct from the manufacturer's web site. End of discussion. I bet if I posted a picture of a red dot there would be some people arguing that it's blue. Amazing.

[Zeroday]

Originally Posted by superman

Okay answer this, if the 1 is only 88 pounds lighter, how does it accomplish 0-60 .2 seconds faster, according to the UK website, or 0-62? How does it do this probably with a more constricted exhaust because it is single and not dual. 200 pound difference would make more sense for that differential in 60 time.

Chris

bmw marketing at its finest...same reason you think it's going to be the 'new' 2002ti...bmw marketing said it was...

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by Zeroday

It's baffling to me how you can post pictures of the manufacturer's specifications and people will still argue the point.

I posted BMW specs direct from the manufacturer's web site. End of discussion. I bet if I posted a picture of a red dot there would be some people arguing that it's blue. Amazing.

It's because we all know the numbers are not accurate based on other cars they have posted numbers for. For example their numbers for 0-60 on the 335 were over 5 seconds, 3 magazines and 10's of people here got around 4.8.

Also the HP numbers appear understated for the 335. If they dyno at the same rwhp as the 330 hp Infinity g37 and common sense drive train losses are not there when you look at the numbers.

What make anyone think their weight numbers are right?

[TheoIam]

Then why does the updated american specs post this weight. ALSO official BMW docuument. They fixed the weight error in the latest version.

http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/..._catalogue.pdf

see page 14

data 128i 135i
Unladen weight lbs 3252 (3329) 3373 (3384)


US numbers here not the UK ones people keep posting.

[Zeroday]

OK I see what you are saying now, the weight is different on the brochure from bmwusa.com from that of bmw.com, but how can you know which one is more accurate? I don't see dates on anything...

[TheoIam]

Originally Posted by Zeroday

OK I see what you are saying now, the weight is different on the brochure from bmwusa.com, but how can you know which one is more accurate? I don't see dates on anything...

No one will really know until someone gets delivery in the US and takes them both to the scales the same day with the same options and same amount of fuel and puts the dam things on the scale.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Zeroday

OK I see what you are saying now, the weight is different on the brochure from bmwusa.com from that of bmw.com, but how can you know which one is more accurate? I don't see dates on anything...

This is essentially what people have been trying to tell you and a few others for quite some time now; the former making more sense. We'll all just have to wait and see, but if I had to place a wager, it would definitely be on the bmwusa.com website figures.

[Zeroday]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This is essentially what people have been trying to tell you and a few others for quite some time now; the former making more sense. We'll all just have to wait and see, but if I had to place a wager, it would definitely be on the bmwusa.com website figures.

What? People were saying the difference between the old 135 auto weight posted in the bmwusa brochure was incorrect (3700 lbs or something), but they have since updated the brochure with different and more realistic info. Thsi is different than the discrepancy issue between bmwusa.com and bmw.com.